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| minute | my guess is these dongle just respond to DDC? which has a fixed address afaik | 01:07 |
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| sknebel | afaik thats all they do, yeah. and there are some niche use cases where they are actually needed and its not just a "tell your computer to" alternative | 01:37 |
| sknebel | (e.g. if I remember right at least some Macs wouldn't actually turn on 3D acceleration unless there is a screen connected) | 01:38 |
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| f_ | minute: the modified dongle used for booting via USB indeed only messes with I2C | 08:56 |
| f_ | There's a nonstandard I2C address where you can force USB boot | 08:57 |
| f_ | The bootrom reads 8 bytes from EEPROM and if what's read equals "boot@SDC" the bootrom will forcefully boot to an SD card, if it equals "boot@USB" it'll boot to USV (and continue with the normal bootflow if the SD card isn't bootable/USB isn't connected) | 09:00 |
| f_ | s/USV/USB/ | 09:00 |
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| minute | f_: wow, that's fun/hacky | 10:01 |
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| austriancoder | minute: thx | 11:37 |
| f_ | minute: lol | 12:05 |
| f_ | narmstrong did most of the research AFAICT | 12:05 |
| f_ | Along with folks at exploitee.rs | 12:05 |
| f_ | Many boards (BPI-CM4 included) have a way to enter "USB boot", but that "way" just enters amlogic update mode in amlogic u-boot... | 12:07 |
| f_ | Only boards I saw who directly enter bootrom USB mode are all librecomputer. | 12:07 |
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| * mark_ -> mjw | 12:42 | |
| Boostisbetter | So here is a question for you all. I have a librem 5 thar won't boot because it can't mount something in fstab. The way to recover is using jump drive to comment out the line in fstab. Pain in the butt. But if my fstab had a bad line in it does that prevent the Reform from booting? | 13:00 |
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| f_ | I guess so. | 13:35 |
| minute | Boostisbetter: if you have a bad line in fstab, after a while it will offer you to enter rescue console, where you can fix it | 13:36 |
| josch | Boostisbetter: the answer is also not reform-specific but applies to most other Debian installations as well | 13:37 |
| josch | if you want something in fstab that might not be present during boot, use the nofail option | 13:37 |
| minute | ah, didn't know about that one :3 | 13:37 |
| josch | Boostisbetter: see "man fstab" for that | 13:38 |
| josch | there is also the undocumented x-systemd.device-timeout=XXX option that controls how long it takes until systemd gives up | 13:38 |
| minute | now testing the brand new headphone jack with pocket reform | 13:38 |
| josch | back into full-time pocket reform development? :) | 13:38 |
| minute | kind of :D | 13:39 |
| josch | does there exist an ETA for the new batch of motherboard 2.5? | 13:39 |
| minute | josch: they are in stock, just didn't make it into the online shop | 13:39 |
| josch | aha! :D | 13:40 |
| minute | (yet) | 13:40 |
| minute | oh, no headphones option on the audio output. i guess i need to update the dtb | 13:40 |
| minute | hmm, alsamixer shows the headphone controls | 13:41 |
| + XYZ_ (~XYZ@78-80-96-74.customers.tmcz.cz) | 13:42 | |
| minute | aha, headphones work! | 13:44 |
| josch | nice, what was the trick? :) | 13:44 |
| minute | i had to enable all the knobs in alsamixer... i don't know why pipewire/pulse doesn't see 'em | 13:44 |
| f_ | minute: nice :) | 13:46 |
| f_ | At this point do you want to create a little phone? Pocket Reform looks like it can work like one | 13:46 |
| minute | hmm this headphone driver is extremely loud | 13:48 |
| minute | will need to include a health warning | 13:48 |
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| josch | minute: or you advertise it as the perfect thing for people who want to use a headphone splitter? ;) | 13:51 |
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| minute | josch: ha! | 13:52 |
| minute | pocket reform action https://mastodon.social/@mntmn/111425980663045848 | 13:53 |
| minute | TLV320AIC3100 is a good sounding DAC. | 13:55 |
| josch | f_: https://community.mnt.re/t/answered-what-prevents-from-receiving-and-making-voice-calls/1637/11 | 13:56 |
| Boostisbetter | minute: that is really great! Thanks for sharing! | 13:56 |
| josch | f_: there was a mastodon post showing that basic AT commands work as expected | 13:56 |
| minute | yeah, i was able to make phone calls, but they were silent (scary huh) | 13:57 |
| josch | ah here it is: https://mastodon.social/@mntmn/111387899138111367 | 13:57 |
| minute | but yeah it was cool that the modem could detect DTMF tones played on the iphone i used for the call | 13:58 |
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| f_ | josch: yeah saw. | 14:02 |
| f_ | Incredible. | 14:04 |
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| Boostisbetter | josch, minute: regarding fstab and the Librem 5. I think this is just more evidence of how much polish the Reform has these days. I really appreciate all the help that is available here and the effort being put into make the Reform and Pocket the best they can be. | 14:15 |
| Boostisbetter | josch, minute: regarding fstab and the Librem 5. I think this is just more evidence of how much polish the Reform has these days. I really appreciate all the help that is available here and the effort being put into making the Reform and Pocket the best they can be. | 14:16 |
| minute | Boostisbetter: does the l5 show the console while booting or no? | 14:18 |
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| + eery (~eery@172.97.103.152) | 14:26 | |
| hramrach | it probably could if somebody wrote an u-boot display driver but it does not come with a keyboard by default - hard to edit the keyborad then | 14:31 |
| Boostisbetter | It does but is unresponsive to everything but ctrl alt del | 14:31 |
| hramrach | something broken :p | 14:32 |
| hramrach | That said their PureOS probably is very useful for anyone who wants to use a phone-like device without Android - ther are not many options for that | 14:33 |
| Boostisbetter | I've been told by Purism folks that I need to use jumpdrive to fix this. | 14:36 |
| hramrach | so it's considered feature ;-) | 14:37 |
| Boostisbetter | I just don't have the time or desire to do that. Especially when my Reform is working just fine, and never has a problem mounting an sd card, meaning I wouldn't run into this problem here anyway. | 14:37 |
| Boostisbetter | the thing that prompted this on the L5 is that the sd card was never mounted. I had to open thunar and tap on the drive for it to mount. | 14:37 |
| Boostisbetter | Which was always a pain. | 14:37 |
| hramrach | if ctrl-alt-del works but the general input does not it's probably something getting wrong idea about what the console is | 14:38 |
| hramrach | or maybe it's completely correct idea but it's a serial port for which you do not have the cable | 14:38 |
| Boostisbetter | so by console I mean I see the boot text | 14:38 |
| Boostisbetter | I am never presented with a prompt that i can use. The system seems to halt | 14:39 |
| hramrach | it's likely elsewhere wehre you don't see it | 14:39 |
| Boostisbetter | I am really just looking forward to the Pocket. It is a size that is much more portable, and I feel like it is going to be just as useful as the Reform just in a smaller more convient package. | 14:40 |
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| minute | Boostisbetter: hramrach: can't one connect a keyboard via usb-c? | 14:43 |
| minute | Boostisbetter: ah, so the console on the display is not the main linux console it sounds like | 14:44 |
| hramrach | that could be probably abjusted if u-boot can take input from the keyboard | 14:44 |
| hramrach | but also serial cables FTW - they are a lot simpler than USB and display, much more likely to be initialized correctly | 14:47 |
| Boostisbetter | minute: yeah I was using a lapdock with it so I had a keyboard and additional screen. The loader at that stage can't initialize the lapdock display though. | 14:51 |
| hramrach | The serial interface is pretty annoying on the phone https://developer.puri.sm/Librem5/Hardware_Reference/Evergreen.html | 15:08 |
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| Boostisbetter | I just really like how smooth the Reform is by comparison. Also while Phosh is a huge accomplishment that is used across most mobile Linux phones, I just really think Sway is infinitely better. | 16:15 |
| Boostisbetter | not in a touchscreen kind of way, but just in a way that I wish the docked L5 would handle things. | 16:15 |
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| + bkeys (~Thunderbi@173.187.158.5) | 18:18 | |
| josch | maybe of interest to some people here, the rpi cm4 is in stock again at some places: https://www.reichelt.de/de/de/raspberry-pi-compute-modul-4-8gb-ram-lite-rpi-cm4-8gblite-p290544.html | 18:36 |
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| abortretryfail | Boostisbetter: there's a mobile UI basedo n i3/sway called SXMO if you want to try that on a phone. | 18:53 |
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| + anuejn (~quassel@46.101.193.235) | 19:05 | |
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| minute | yoo | 19:05 |
| se6astian | hello! | 19:05 |
| + BAndiT1983 (~quassel@46.101.193.235) | 19:05 | |
| + Bertl (herbert@IRC.13thfloor.at) | 19:05 | |
| minute | apertus team visiting :3 | 19:08 |
| + vagrantc (~vagrant@2600:3c01:e000:21:7:77:0:20) | 19:14 | |
| anuejn | mnt x apertus full-frame webcam, when? | 19:20 |
| anuejn | ;) | 19:20 |
| minute | :D | 19:31 |
| + mark_ (~mjw@gnu.wildebeest.org) | 19:32 | |
| vkoskiv | Wow, super cool stuff, first I'm hearing of this project | 19:39 |
| vkoskiv | I don't have anything to do with cinema things, but I know how absolutely proprietary most things in that space are | 19:40 |
| - mark_ (QUIT: Ping timeout: 276 seconds) (~mjw@gnu.wildebeest.org) | 19:43 | |
| Boostisbetter | anyone else using the Signal desktop client on their Reform and noticed how you can resize the contact list anymore? | 20:04 |
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| + sevan (~sevan@user/venture37) | 20:42 | |
| sevan | "UPS Update: Parcel Delivery Date Rescheduled" :D | 20:42 |
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| sevan | they stopped flirting | 20:43 |
| sevan | "Rescheduled Delivery | 20:43 |
| sevan | Tuesday 21/11/2023 | 20:43 |
| sevan | End of Day" | 20:43 |
| + eibachd (~eibachd@p200300dcf704e500f74a847e8672c84b.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) | 20:44 | |
| sigrid | didn't feel like delivering today? | 21:44 |
| f_ | sevan: They're procrastinating | 21:48 |
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| + _E (~e@bsd.moe) | 22:11 | |
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| + erle (~erle@2a02:8109:da40:c4:579e:7e85:3049:ad61) | 22:25 | |
| sevan | sigrid: "what's the rush?, there's always next week!" :) | 22:41 |
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| * mark_ -> mjw | 22:42 | |
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| Zaba | the biggest issue is that they might also send it back at some point :D | 22:43 |
| sevan | f_: let's see what fun they have in store next week! | 22:43 |
| Zaba | i've had issues with UPS in Finland where they would, basically, not deliver the package *at all* nor contact me unless i called them myself | 22:43 |
| sevan | Zaba: almost tempted to tell them to get stuffed and send it back to Berlin. | 22:44 |
| sevan | Zaba: fun! | 22:44 |
| Zaba | and their support person even complained *to me* that their operations are a complete black hole from *their* perspective | 22:44 |
| sevan | "Do you want secure package delivery or not mate?!" | 22:45 |
| vkoskiv | Zaba: UPS drivers are impressively fast at getting from my door to the nearest pickup location | 22:45 |
| sevan | LOL | 22:45 |
| sevan | RUN! | 22:45 |
| Zaba | vkoskiv: yes that's the *best* case | 22:45 |
| Zaba | also, funnily | 22:45 |
| vkoskiv | I think the last time was ~10min | 22:45 |
| Zaba | the nearest pickup location had been moving steadily away from my home over the last 5 years | 22:45 |
| Zaba | nobody seems to want to have much business with them | 22:45 |
| vkoskiv | Though to be fair, 10min by walking is not unreasonable. But I have to assume a large van is involved. | 22:46 |
| Zaba | also, the way they handle the package seems to depend a lot on what country it's sent *from* | 22:46 |
| f_ | sevan: haha | 22:47 |
| Zaba | because they offer different products to senders in different countries or so | 22:47 |
| Zaba | it's really weird | 22:47 |
| sevan | there's going postal, and there's going UPS | 22:48 |
| Zaba | (fedex also has that sort of thing, but i've had a better experience with fedex overall) | 22:48 |
| f_ | Everyone knows that UPS stands for UniversalgoingbacktouPsaSfastaspossible | 22:49 |
| sevan | :) | 22:50 |
| f_ | looks like that's what they did to me. | 22:50 |
| f_ | They just...silently..put my BPI-CM4 on the mailbox and run(?) | 22:50 |
| f_ | I didn't even notice until I wanted to see where my parcel was at.. | 22:51 |
| sevan | Not much Fedex around here. I get the impression they're more expensive than UPS / DHL? | 22:52 |
| Zaba | (although the last time i tried to call fedex, they seemed to have completely replaced their phone support with a fairly unhelpful robot, which boded poorly, but then, i still got the package somehow) | 22:52 |
| Zaba | i don't think they're more expensive in the aggregate, which one is cheaper really depends on the specific of the local market | 22:54 |
| Zaba | the one time i considered using an express parcel service, they all quoted me roughly the same price with i think ups being a bit cheaper? but i ended up using none of them anyway | 22:55 |
| sevan | used dhl last time as they were half the price of the post office | 23:01 |
| Zaba | dhl parcel is not the same as dhl express though | 23:02 |
| sevan | ack | 23:03 |
| Zaba | dhl express is insanely good | 23:03 |
| Zaba | all other things branded 'dhl' are usually more or less ordinary post | 23:03 |
| sevan | what makes them insanely good? | 23:03 |
| sevan | they don't run away as fast? | 23:04 |
| sevan | j/k ;) | 23:04 |
| Zaba | 1. they are really fast 2. they have a nice way to provide delivery instructions *which they actually follow* | 23:04 |
| sevan | "you have a hope of catching them" | 23:04 |
| sevan | ah | 23:04 |
| Zaba | i've received *quite a few* packages, i constantly fight with ups, i occasionally had trouble with fedex, but dhl express had *never* screwed up yet, not once | 23:06 |
| sevan | had to deal with dhl parcel on last week, they import stuff into the UK, then pass it to parcel force to deliver. Tracking number works on the DHL site but you have no access to any support facilities | 23:06 |
| sevan | horror show as everything asks for a number and rejects it | 23:06 |
| Zaba | the trouble with fedex and ups is that they really just have completely different services under the same name | 23:07 |
| Zaba | like, 'fedex international priority' and 'fedex economy' do not work the same, but it's just a teeny tiny detail in the tracking info | 23:07 |
| Zaba | and 'fedex international priority' is pretty close to the speed and punctuality of dhl express, but 'fedex economy' is more like, eh, we'll offload it to some random subcontractor or whatever | 23:08 |
| sevan | I think I prefer to stick to packaging software | 23:08 |
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| Zaba | and ups is kind of the same | 23:08 |
| Zaba | like there's *definitely* a ups service that works well, but the majority of "ups" packages i have had the fortune of receiving were sent using some other one | 23:09 |
| Zaba | so, one advantage of dhl express is that they dilute their brand in a more consistent and transparent way | 23:10 |
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| f_ | Zaba: FedEx's robocall system....sucks | 23:15 |
| f_ | You need an account on their website in order to talk to a support person | 23:15 |
| Zaba | yeah i wasn't impressed | 23:15 |
| Zaba | good to know there's *some* way around it | 23:16 |
| f_ | how?? | 23:17 |
| Zaba | creating an account? :D | 23:17 |
| f_ | oh. | 23:17 |
| Zaba | i mean i haven't tried myself, fortunately i don't have to call them very often | 23:17 |
| f_ | Had trouble with a parcel which contained more Amlogic boards.. | 23:17 |
| f_ | it got returned | 23:17 |
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