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| Boostisbetter | minute: do you have an update on when Pocket's might be shipping? Please understand that I understand anything you say has to the potential to slip for things outside of MNT's ability to control. | 09:06 |
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| minute | Boostisbetter: i still think Q1 | 10:34 |
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| eibachd | josch: as far as I can see, there is already a 6.5 rt kernel for aarch64 on Debian. Which source package would we need? | 10:53 |
| josch | eibachd: where do you see that? | 10:56 |
| eibachd | josch: https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=linux-image-rt-arm64 | 10:59 |
| josch | aha, there is one in bookworm-backports | 11:08 |
| josch | eibachd: this is the patchset you want: https://salsa.debian.org/kernel-team/linux/-/merge_requests/848/diffs | 11:13 |
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| austriancoder | minute: can you provide me with more detailed version information of the Vivante GPUs found in the mnt reform processor modules? Looking for the complete identity part of /sys/kernel/debug/dri/128/gpu | 12:07 |
| minute | austriancoder: for sure! all of them? imx8mq, imx8mp and ls1028a are available | 12:13 |
| minute | austriancoder: btw are you potentially interested in chromium issues on imx8mp? | 12:13 |
| austriancoder | minute: if it is not too much work .. yes. I should have an imx8mq so you can skip that one :) | 12:16 |
| austriancoder | minute: sure .. just point me to the issue | 12:16 |
| Boostisbetter | minute: thanks! | 13:16 |
| Boostisbetter | minute: I am really looking forward to it. | 13:16 |
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| minute | austriancoder: imx8mp http://dump.mntmn.com/mnt-imx8mp-gpu.txt | 15:29 |
| sevan | "I apologise to get back to you but the broker needs a written letter from you stating the following: | 15:44 |
| sevan | If this shipment shall be rated as private, we would need a letter of explanation outlining that the shipment was sent out for | 15:44 |
| sevan | Repair, that this is a private shipment and weather this was done under guarantee, if not under guarantee what are the charges for the repair?" | 15:44 |
| minute | sevan: wtf | 15:44 |
| sevan | minute: desperate times :) | 15:44 |
| minute | sevan: so sorry for this mess... next time maybe i won't mention repair. thought it would save you some import fees | 15:44 |
| sevan | it's ok, might be trying "warranty return" instead. | 15:46 |
| sevan | first, then, resorting to not mentioning it. | 15:46 |
| sevan | it's fine, just the time it takes for feedback is frustrating. | 15:46 |
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| Boostisbetter | customs, in general, really suck! | 17:33 |
| f_ | sevan: UPS quality service. | 17:39 |
| f_ | minute: BTW what's behind the "MNT" name? | 17:39 |
| minute | f_: doesn't have a fixed meaning nowadays. originally was a shortening of "minute" | 17:43 |
| f_ | You used the nick `minute` before? Looking at logs you were previously known as `mntmn`. | 17:43 |
| f_ | I could find a meaning for "MNT": Modern Nice Technology. | 17:45 |
| minute | f_: a long long time ago, my nick was minuteman. i am nonbinary so the man had to go, and when i was like 6 years old the name of a nuclear missile seemed like a fun idea, but not today ^^ for some years mnt also was a revercronym for media and technology | 17:48 |
| f_ | I see | 17:49 |
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| josch | wow i wanted to ask this for ages as well and never was brave enough to bring it up XD | 18:48 |
| f_ | ^^ | 18:49 |
| f_ | minute: BTW made a post on mastodon about that BPI-CM4 you sent to me | 18:50 |
| f_ | thanks again again! | 18:50 |
| f_ | https://mamot.fr/@vitali64sur/111421313035121958 | 18:50 |
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| f_ | (handle is @vitali64sur because I used to have the nick `vitali64`) | 18:51 |
| f_ | (found out that it was a stupid nickname, so took the first letter of my first name and added an underscore :D) | 18:52 |
| f_ | (I also sometimes go by `funderscore`) | 18:52 |
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| sevan | "Hi, | 18:57 |
| sevan | Your delivery has been rescheduled." | 18:57 |
| sevan | :) | 18:57 |
| f_ | :) | 18:57 |
| sevan | for tomorrow, hopefully this time it's real as the others came in at around 9pm everytime. | 18:58 |
| sevan | It's now 17:58 | 18:58 |
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| sevan | wondering how many package updates will be offered once the reform is up and running | 20:14 |
| f_ | sevan: 65535. | 20:15 |
| sevan | :D | 20:15 |
| f_ | :D | 20:16 |
| f_ | Hopefully it arrives lol | 20:16 |
| sevan | lol | 20:16 |
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| bkeys | Hey, typing this from my Reform with cm4! | 21:54 |
| bkeys | Has anyone managed to get their Linux booting from eMMC on here? | 21:55 |
| hramrach | about charging: https://mntre.com/reform2/handbook/advanced.html#power-rails | 22:01 |
| hramrach | bkeys: which CPU module do you have? | 22:04 |
| bkeys | a311d | 22:04 |
| bkeys | Although with the release of the rpi5 cm4 modules for rpi have gone down; I might do that then I get mainline Fedora support | 22:04 |
| bkeys | But the IO on the SD is pretty slow | 22:05 |
| f_ | bkeys: Congrats! | 22:07 |
| hramrach | which may be the caused by the DS card or the mmc controller - the mmc controller performance can very a lot between SoCs, and many SoCs have multiple mmc controllers, too | 22:07 |
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| bkeys | The wifi on here is really unreliable | 22:12 |
| hramrach | hm, the A311D module docs don't really say much about boot order | 22:16 |
| - Boostisbetter (QUIT: Ping timeout: 245 seconds) (4a410829d7@irc.cheogram.com) | 22:18 | |
| f_ | hramrach: boot order? | 22:23 |
| f_ | You mean u-boot boot order or the bootrom? | 22:23 |
| f_ | bkeys: ISTR minute also struggling with Wi-Fi on that thing | 22:23 |
| f_ | but they fixed it IIRC? | 22:24 |
| f_ | (with help from others in #linux-amlogic ) | 22:24 |
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| hramrach | f_: the maskrom boot order - that's what should go into hardware documentation, the u-boot boot order is software-defined | 22:27 |
| f_ | Sure | 22:27 |
| f_ | The boot order heavily depends on "POC" | 22:27 |
| f_ | AFAICT POC is set to 0xF on the BPI-CM4 minute sent to me, so: | 22:28 |
| hramrach | From your and others docs it seems that copying the SD card to emmc should make emmc bootable but it's not clear if the SD card also needs to be removed | 22:28 |
| f_ | eMMC takes precedence over SD | 22:30 |
| + jacobk (~quassel@utdpat241106.utdallas.edu) | 22:30 | |
| f_ | the bootROM tries to find a valid @AML header on eMMC first, then SD, then goes into USB download mode. | 22:31 |
| hramrach | so you don't have to remove the SD card to boot from emmc but have to jump through hoops to re-flash it if it does not boot | 22:31 |
| f_ | I'm not aware of any way to recover an a311d reform | 22:31 |
| f_ | If your reform boots something corrupted, you're screwed | 22:32 |
| f_ | unless... | 22:32 |
| hramrach | if the USB port is not connected to the outside then it probably cannot be recovered | 22:32 |
| f_ | yeah it can't be recovered | 22:32 |
| hramrach | well, short some pins so it cannot be read, boot from SD | 22:32 |
| f_ | Easier said than done. | 22:33 |
| hramrach | better boot from SD and only use emmc for data then | 22:33 |
| f_ | Or don't use eMMC for anything \o/ | 22:33 |
| hramrach | it may be faster depending on some unknown factors | 22:34 |
| f_ | you could put your rootfs there and /home on an sd | 22:34 |
| f_ | (typing from phone..) | 22:34 |
| - jacobk (QUIT: Ping timeout: 240 seconds) (~quassel@utdpat241106.utdallas.edu) | 22:34 | |
| hramrach | the emmc tends to be optimized for better performance on most boards so if this is copied from existing design it can potentially give better io performance | 22:35 |
| f_ | Theoretically you could recover your bpi cm4 module by connecting it to a bpi cm4io board and using an HDMI dongle to force USB download mode. | 22:36 |
| f_ | https://docs.u-boot.org/en/latest/board/amlogic/boot-flow.html#hdmi-recovery-dongle | 22:36 |
| f_ | aha | 22:37 |
| f_ | It can also be used to boot to an SD card | 22:37 |
| f_ | But you'd still need to make an HDMI dongle yourself. | 22:38 |
| f_ | narmstrong wrote some docs about the dongle https://github.com/superna9999/linux/wiki/Amlogic-HDMI-Boot-Dongle | 22:39 |
| f_ | And he sells ready dongles too. | 22:39 |
| hramrach | I love th term 'hdmi boot dongle' XD | 22:39 |
| f_ | lol | 22:39 |
| f_ | It's a hidden Amlogic feature! | 22:40 |
| hramrach | but for reform I guess it's better to not recommend making the emmc bootable | 22:40 |
| f_ | Shall I try finding it in my partial bootrom decompilation? | 22:40 |
| f_ | hramrach: yeah, I agree. | 22:40 |
| f_ | I once wiped my Amlogic STB's eMMC. Never used it since, risk of bricking is too high. | 22:41 |
| f_ | Unless I use an HDMI dongle to boot | 22:42 |
| hramrach | Using it for data should be fine. And for some IO benchmarks ;-) | 22:42 |
| f_ | (I want to create one with an arduino) | 22:42 |
| hramrach | hm, bkeys got disconnected again :D | 22:43 |
| f_ | hramrach: haha I boot everything from SD nowadays | 22:43 |
| f_ | Except on BPI-CM4 which has android installed | 22:43 |
| f_ | (it's a weird Android TV Frankenstein amlogic MBOX build) | 22:44 |
| hramrach | there are those half-depth micro-SD to SD adapters that can be used to make the SD card not stick out | 22:44 |
| f_ | well, in reality I use eMMC on all of my Amlogic boards | 22:45 |
| f_ | except the set-top box | 22:45 |
| f_ | all other boards I have besides the STB and cm4 have a removable eMMC module and a button to enter bootrom USB download mode | 22:46 |
| f_ | Both of which are..quite handy. | 22:46 |
| hramrach | yes, the button is very useful on the boards that have one | 22:47 |
| f_ | the removable eMMC is also handy ^^ | 22:47 |
| hramrach | half-depth microsd adapter https://www.howtogeek.com/824597/expand-your-macbook-pro-storage-using-the-sd-card-slot/ | 22:48 |
| f_ | hmm | 22:49 |
| hramrach | I have some Chinese one that is more like 2/3 depth for some odd device where the card sticking out was way too problematic | 22:49 |
| f_ | BTW anyone want to try a weird android Chinese MBOX tv build on their reform? | 22:50 |
| f_ | (straight from bananapi and amlogic, lovely) | 22:51 |
| f_ | besides, that build uses a downstream u-boot and downstream Linux as well as android 9 | 22:52 |
| f_ | I wonder if it'll play nicely with the rest of the hardware ;P | 22:52 |
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| f_ | There's also this mysterious "BL2Z" on BPI-CM4, some images have it | 22:56 |
| f_ | But since a311d reform uses the libreelec amlogic-boot-fip repo it doesn't have it | 22:58 |
| f_ | Still. I'd like to know what that is | 22:59 |
| hramrach | hm the Chinese also added a handle on the cheap adapters which means you could not sink it into a plain SD slot, even theoretically https://aliexpress.com/item/1005004696778593.html | 22:59 |
| - jacobk (QUIT: Ping timeout: 245 seconds) (~quassel@129.110.242.224) | 23:01 | |
| f_ | Clever Chinese. | 23:02 |
| f_ | but anyway, I'll work on amlogic a311d RE only after S905X. | 23:04 |
| hramrach | The original device is also cute: HDMI emulator - or as the Chinese put it "HDMI-compatible Dummy Plug Headless Ghost Fake Display Emulator Module 4K" :D | 23:28 |
| hramrach | you could tell your computer to start a desktop even without a display .. or you can get a $2 device that tells the computer that it has a display XD | 23:31 |
| f_ | XD | 23:33 |
| f_ | buy one, do weird hackery and use it to force USB boot on amlogic socs! | 23:34 |
| hramrach | the hdmi dongle might even work with the reform - unless it requires specific i2c bus, and the reform uses different one for the display | 23:52 |
| hramrach | it's not well documented how ti works, exactly | 23:53 |
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