| hramrach | so when using with something that does not have a sim slot I would need and adapter that has one | 00:08 |
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| minute | hramrach: yes | 00:42 |
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| jfred | Finally got an SD card running a resized and upgraded copy of the system v4 image on a311d. I think my last attempt failed because I hadn't resized the rootfs and ran out of space mid-upgrade. Not sure exactly what happened there - I've got a USB serial adapter coming in the mail tomorrow, will be able to do some forensics then | 01:46 |
| jfred | I tried to fix that install from a chroot without success, but I was having trouble determining the actual issue so didn't have too much to go on | 01:47 |
| jfred | Next up, getting my old OS image migrated over | 01:48 |
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| bkeys | minute: I got my keyboard and cm4 module | 03:30 |
| bkeys | The problem I was having just went away, and it appears to work. I am downloading a new system image now | 03:30 |
| bkeys | To anyone online, is the solder jump on the pins of the mpcie->m.2 adapter that comes with the cm4 adapter boards intentional? I wanted to make sure before I install it | 03:40 |
| jfred | bkeys: I believe it's the reset line bodge mentioned in this post, so yes intentional https://community.mnt.re/t/nvme-not-working-with-rcm4-fix-for-m-2-adapters/1674 | 03:48 |
| bkeys | jfred: Thanks, I actually have a WD drive in there | 03:49 |
| jfred | I do too actually, was glad mine came with the fix applied as well | 03:50 |
| bkeys | jfred: Does the SoM come with the system image installed on the eMMC? | 03:54 |
| bkeys | I sure hope so | 03:54 |
| jfred | I think no - I had to write an image to an SD card | 03:55 |
| jfred | was looking up the banana pi cm4 module and apparently it will always prefer to boot from eMMC - so, I guess if they'd loaded a system image onto there, it'd be more difficult to get it booting off an SD card | 03:56 |
| bkeys | It'd be nice to boot from eMMC so that would free up the SD card slot | 03:58 |
| bkeys | Many times I'd like to use the slot but am unable to | 03:58 |
| jfred | yeah, I'm in the same boat | 03:59 |
| bkeys | I'd love to have Fedora on there with all the /boot stuff in the eMMC and everything else on the nvme | 03:59 |
| jfred | I'd like to boot my system from eMMC too, but I want to get much more comfortable with the a311d module before attempting that as I've made a few blunders already just booting from SD haha | 04:00 |
| bkeys | I built RPM packages of the Reform kernel and have them on my ARM server | 04:00 |
| bkeys | And I have a khadas vim3 sbc which is a311d and it can run mainline Fedora no problems; so what I am saying is certainly possible. | 04:00 |
| jfred | yeah | 04:01 |
| jfred | my expectation is that if you copied /boot onto the module's eMMC it would boot as expected, but I haven't tried it | 04:02 |
| bkeys | I got the adapter board in the mail today so right now I'm just gonna go stock to see how it is | 04:03 |
| bkeys | jfred: Do you know if the Reform can be charged using 12V? | 04:12 |
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| josch | once bkeys returns, somebody send them that the answer is "yes": https://mntre.com/reform2/handbook/advanced.html#power-rails | 06:54 |
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| josch | so... one of my eremit lifepo4 cells started leaking brown rusty liquid... good i have some spares... | 10:41 |
| minute | josch: eeeek | 10:44 |
| vkoskiv | Curious to see what that looks like | 10:45 |
| josch | i have a webcam here... one sec... | 10:46 |
| sevan | hmm, with the new battery board unused, how long can the batteries last unused? | 10:47 |
| sevan | it's been a while since the machine was switched on/connected to power. | 10:48 |
| josch | https://mister-muffin.de/p/XOlF.jpg | 10:51 |
| vkoskiv | I guess that's the Fe in LiFePO4 :D | 10:53 |
| vkoskiv | Was it installed or in storage? | 10:53 |
| josch | now it's the FeO or E172 :D | 10:54 |
| josch | it was installed and somehow still worked o0 | 10:55 |
| josch | magic? | 10:55 |
| minute | strange | 11:04 |
| hramrach | the mPCIe latch on the Reform mainboard makes it very easy to get the WiFi card in and out but is not compatible with adapters like this https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005006020799588.html | 11:29 |
| minute | hramrach: the main issue is that modems need usb signalling, but the mpcie on reform is pcie | 12:24 |
| f_ | minute: seems like the cm4io should handle this? | 12:25 |
| minute | f_ hramrach has a mnt reform motherboard, not cm4io | 12:37 |
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| f_ | yes but I thought the motherboard also handled that? | 12:40 |
| hramrach | looking at the shematic the USB pins of the mPCIe connector are not connected | 12:56 |
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| hramrach | that's sad, there is USB hub to handle the external ports but the internal connectors are not handled | 12:58 |
| josch | does the usb hub have a remaining free port that could be used for that? | 13:03 |
| hramrach | as far as I can tell it does not | 13:06 |
| hramrach | it would be kind of stupid to put a hub with extra ports on the board and not put the traces there | 13:08 |
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| hramrach | hm, the unpopulated J12 should have two USB connections - ehough for the mPCIe and M.2(if it can be fit there - the pinout is not clear) | 13:18 |
| minute | hramrach: these are usb3 | 13:19 |
| hramrach | and that's a problem? | 13:20 |
| vkoskiv | fwupd is taking up 121MB of RAM just sitting idle on my system, anyone else seeing the same? | 13:21 |
| minute | hramrach: you would need a modem that works with usb3 | 13:21 |
| hramrach | some do claim USB3 compatibility but it's not a given | 13:22 |
| vkoskiv | Restarted fwupd, now it's at 10.3MB | 13:25 |
| minute | hramrach: there are also new 5g modems that supposedly have pcie signalling, but untested | 13:27 |
| hramrach | right, this is something not normally visible but there are separate USB2 and USB3 connections in the external USB ports, and the J12 only has the USB3 signals, not hte USB2 | 13:28 |
| hramrach | the USB2 signals are not connected anywhere /o\ | 13:29 |
| sevan | vkoskiv: is there anything on the reform that receives firmware via fwupd? | 13:29 |
| sevan | (safe to just disable it?) | 13:30 |
| minute | hramrach: not true | 13:37 |
| minute | hramrach: they are on J9 | 13:38 |
| minute | hramrach: i would use something like nanohub to split J9 or J14 into two ports and use one for the modem | 13:38 |
| minute | hramrach: or if you are into PCB design, design an adapter that has a MTT type usb3 -> usb2 hub, or just use a usb stick on the outside, or do like josch and use a usb stick inside | 13:39 |
| hramrach | minute: thanks, missed that J9 is a connector - it does not have the connector frame in the schematic | 13:43 |
| minute | hramrach: you can find things with ctrl+f | 13:46 |
| minute | and paste in the name of the label | 13:46 |
| hramrach | only when you know there is something to look for | 13:46 |
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| hramrach | the mPCIe adapter would take care of reset or whatever else but with the USB pins in the mPCIe unconnected it has to be USB stick or some custom hack | 13:48 |
| josch | the nanohubs are always out of stock so what i did was to replace the usb-ports with JST PH 4 sockets on this one: https://manhattanproducts.us/products/manhattan-en-4-port-usb-20-micro-hub-160605?_pos=2&_sid=ffcb07468&_ss=r | 14:13 |
| josch | it's just a tiny bit bigger than the nanohub but widely available | 14:14 |
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| vkoskiv | sevan: fwupdmgf get-devices lists the EMMC chip, the PCIe/usb bridge, and my WD nvme. Only the nvme and emmc show as 'updatable' | 15:28 |
| vkoskiv | fwupdmgr* | 15:28 |
| vkoskiv | Theoretically, it should be possible to deliver updates to the keyboard and track{pad,ball} firmwares via fwupd now that they can be flashed without using the switch + reset button | 15:29 |
| vkoskiv | Could be wrong though, I only learned about fwupd today, and have no clue how it does its thing. | 15:29 |
| vkoskiv | Updating the list shows '0 devices supported' | 15:30 |
| vkoskiv | wireplumber has 28.6MB of memory resident. And as far as I can tell, all it does is to display the system volume in waybar | 15:44 |
| vkoskiv | My 486DX2-66 box with 32MB of RAM boots Linux 4.4, and that one only has 24MB available for the entire userspace | 15:45 |
| vkoskiv | So from that perspective, I'm really curious to see what on earth wireplumber is keeping in memory :D | 15:45 |
| vkoskiv | Ah, I think wireplumber does more than that, I was looking at the manpage for waybar-wireplumber(5) | 15:46 |
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| hramrach | software expands until it consumes all available memory, data expands until it consumes all available disk space ;-) | 17:19 |
| hramrach | More seriously, the kernel uses memory as cache when available, both for IO buffers and program text pages. That can increase resident memory size on systems with more memory. | 17:21 |
| hramrach | josch: that hub is also sold out ;-) | 17:22 |
| hramrach | but I get the idea - any USB hub and USB-M.2 adapter would do, basically | 17:23 |
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| sevan | still no sign of UPS :/ | 19:38 |
| Zaba | what country are you in? | 19:43 |
| sevan | england | 19:46 |
| Zaba | ah | 19:47 |
| Zaba | if it's been a few days it's probably better to give them a call | 19:52 |
| f_ | unless they're like fedex and you can't talk to an employee directly unless you have a FedEx account... | 19:55 |
| sevan | f_: hit that with another parcel & DHL | 20:20 |
| sevan | I contacted the UPS person who was in touch yesterday, they pointed to their customer services email. Emailed that, no response yet. | 20:21 |
| sevan | Still betting it'll be Friday when it shows up. | 20:21 |
| f_ | Don't worry, they'll answer when they return the parcel. | 20:21 |
| sevan | f_: LOL | 20:21 |
| f_ | Or when the parcel is in Germany already | 20:22 |
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| sevan | "your parcel has been distroyed due to no response from shipper nor recipient" | 20:22 |
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| f_ | lol | 20:27 |
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| sevan | ACTION checks ebay | 20:28 |
| sevan | hmm | 20:28 |
| sevan | I search for "mnt reform", ebay shows me lots of soviet coins | 20:29 |
| f_ | MNT REFORM IS SOVIET CONFIRMED | 20:30 |
| sevan | well, they haven't put it on it ebay, so that's good | 20:30 |
| f_ | (joking of course.) | 20:30 |
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| f_ | sevan: but yeah I think you should call UPS again, tell them you sent an email and was left with no response etc... | 20:31 |
| sevan | then insult the mothers! | 20:32 |
| sevan | will wait till Friday as that was original hunch. halfway there | 20:33 |
| sevan | would've been nice to have my keyboard first and waiting for the other parcel :) | 20:34 |
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| sevan | s/insult the/insult their | 22:15 |
| sevan | vkoskiv: it'd be interesting if WDC is actively publishing firmware via there, since on their site you have to installed their windows based dashboard software. | 22:17 |
| sevan | "UPS Update: Parcel Delivery Date Rescheduled" :) | 22:22 |
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