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| + mjw (~mjw@gnu.wildebeest.org) | 11:36 | |
| + Boostisbetter (4a410829d7@irc.cheogram.com) | 11:45 | |
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| violet | yeah i like to write a lot of lua code for my hobby projects. runs really good on reform | 12:16 |
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| * mark_ -> mjw | 12:32 | |
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| + mark_ (~mjw@gnu.wildebeest.org) | 14:06 | |
| erle | violet are you also minetest player? | 14:08 |
| erle | because that's what i use lua for ^_^ | 14:08 |
| minute | violet: cool | 14:14 |
| minute | josch: i'm testing reform-migrate on a new a311d unit atm. | 14:14 |
| minute | so far it seems to do the right thing :D | 14:14 |
| josch | nice! | 14:15 |
| josch | i had it tested successfully on ls1028a | 14:15 |
| josch | (together with setup-encrypted-nvme that is) | 14:15 |
| minute | cool. i'm testing on unencrypted nvme | 14:16 |
| - mark_ (QUIT: Ping timeout: 255 seconds) (~mjw@gnu.wildebeest.org) | 14:16 | |
| + minutepocket (~reform@p509936c9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) | 14:24 | |
| minutepocket | josch: ok so after Installing new boot.scr i get: /usr/sbin/reform-boot-config: 261: MMCDEV: parameter not set | 14:25 |
| minutepocket | josch: ah yeah, because that isn't set for a311d | 14:26 |
| minutepocket | josch: but the migration went flawlessly | 14:27 |
| minutepocket | josch: after reboot / is on nvme0n1 | 14:27 |
| minutepocket | hmm, for some reason it feels faster than my own reform lol | 14:31 |
| josch | minutepocket: thank you! fixed locally | 14:33 |
| minutepocket | also will test plasma-desktop on that machine now | 14:42 |
| minutepocket | (never tried it before on a311d) | 14:42 |
| minutepocket | hmm, plasma is very problematic, it starts waybar for some reason | 14:59 |
| minutepocket | and some other stuff like pasystray | 14:59 |
| minutepocket | but why | 14:59 |
| josch | what mechanism are you using to start plasma-desktop? | 15:00 |
| minutepocket | just startplasma-wayland on the linux console | 15:02 |
| minute | ah, systemd/user/waybar.service:ExecStart=/usr/local/bin/waybar | 15:04 |
| josch | huh where is that from? | 15:05 |
| minute | i guess there is stuff installed into /usr/lib/systemd/user | 15:05 |
| minute | josch: waybar package | 15:05 |
| minute | not good hmm | 15:05 |
| josch | the /usr/local/bin/waybar part does not sound like the waybar package | 15:06 |
| minute | pasystray: /etc/xdg/autostart/pasystray.desktop | 15:06 |
| minute | gah | 15:06 |
| minute | josch: sorry, my bad, i copied the wrong path here from my desktop which has experimental things going on. | 15:07 |
| minute | josch: the real issue is waybar: /usr/lib/systemd/user/waybar.service | 15:07 |
| josch | right | 15:07 |
| + jacobk (~quassel@129.110.242.224) | 15:08 | |
| minute | ok, so to be compatible with kde in the future (don't know if it makes sense, it is a bit sluggish and heavy) we need to nuke some stuff from /etc/xdg/autostart or find another way around that | 15:08 |
| josch | minute: what does this print for you when you have plasma started: | 15:08 |
| josch | systemctl is-active graphical-session.target | 15:08 |
| josch | that is inactive when just running sway via greetd | 15:09 |
| minutepocket | josch: inactive | 15:09 |
| minutepocket | josch: but graphical.target is active | 15:10 |
| josch | hrm... because the waybar user unit depends on graphical-session.target | 15:10 |
| josch | yes graphical.target is active for me as well | 15:11 |
| josch | but the waybar user unit is inactive | 15:12 |
| josch | (because of missing dependency) | 15:12 |
| minutepocket | i had to do systemctl disable waybar.service | 15:14 |
| josch | right | 15:14 |
| minutepocket | but it still comes back. so that wasn't enough | 15:14 |
| josch | i don't know a good way to disable the waybar systemd user unit or the pasystray xdg autostart selectively for kde | 15:14 |
| minutepocket | i don't think we want them in general, in any DE | 15:15 |
| minutepocket | sway and wayfire both have them in their config files | 15:15 |
| josch | minutepocket: you might want to mask the unit | 15:15 |
| josch | oh true, it's sway starting them | 15:15 |
| minutepocket | ok, masking worked | 15:16 |
| minutepocket | and i deleted the other things from /etc/xdg/autostart/ | 15:17 |
| josch | if you don't want anything from xdg autostart maybe a better way would be to mask either individual services or xdg-desktop-autostart.target from systemd | 15:19 |
| josch | but, plasma-workspace.target actually wants xdg-desktop-autostart.target | 15:21 |
| josch | oooh here is the right way: | 15:22 |
| josch | if you do not want something from /etc/xdg/autostart/ to get started for your user, copy the *.desktop file into your ~/.config/autostart/ and remove the NoDisplay=true line | 15:23 |
| josch | same can be done for waybar.service by overwriting it in ~/.config/systemd/user | 15:25 |
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| + sevan (~sevan@user/venture37) | 15:25 | |
| minutepocket | josch: ah, i wasn't aware of xdg-desktop-autostart.target | 15:26 |
| minutepocket | josch: why NoDisplay=true? | 15:26 |
| josch | minutepocket: because the internet said so -- but according to systemd-xdg-autostart-generator(8) a better method might be to set Hidden=true | 15:33 |
| minutepocket | heh | 15:35 |
| minutepocket | interesting, also my qt5 config wasn't perfect. it should use the breeze icons instead of papirus, or a lot of kde toolbar etc icons are missing | 15:49 |
| + mark_ (~mjw@gnu.wildebeest.org) | 15:50 | |
| josch | reading src/xdg-autostart-generator/xdg-autostart-service.c an even better method (because we want to limit the effect to systemd) is probably setting X-systemd-skip=true | 15:57 |
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| - mark_ (QUIT: Ping timeout: 258 seconds) (~mjw@gnu.wildebeest.org) | 16:22 | |
| minutepocket | we should also probably mask suspend, hibernate etc targets on a311d and ls1028a | 16:27 |
| josch | that would break the current property of reform-system-image that the root partition contains the same stuff for all boards | 16:30 |
| josch | though this could easlily be part of a first-boot-script: https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-system-image/-/merge_requests/43 | 16:31 |
| minute | yep | 16:32 |
| josch | hrm... there was another thing we recently said we wanted to put there to preserve this property of reform-system-image but i cannot find it anymore in the log... | 16:43 |
| minute | my memory is a bit too lossy atm to remember that ^^ | 16:48 |
| - Boostisbetter (QUIT: Ping timeout: 272 seconds) (4a410829d7@irc.cheogram.com) | 16:58 | |
| minute | ok, i will attempt the .config/autostart stuff locally | 17:04 |
| minute | interesting, lxpolkit.desktop has these lines: | 17:08 |
| minute | NotShowIn=GNOME;KDE;MATE; | 17:08 |
| minute | Hidden=true | 17:08 |
| minute | yet untested https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-tools/-/commits/kde-fixes | 17:13 |
| minute | (plasma takes a while to install over slow wifi) | 17:13 |
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| + doctorhoo (~doctorhoo@2001:2043:5e0f:a800:810:5811:5c8c:111d) | 17:21 | |
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| + doctorhoo (~doctorhoo@2001:2043:5e0f:a800:7a5b:79b9:b267:14d6) | 17:32 | |
| minute | hmm https://floss.social/@carlschwan/111347519566050047 | 17:42 |
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| + Boostisbetter (4a410829d7@irc.cheogram.com) | 18:05 | |
| * f_ -> F_ | 18:06 | |
| * F_ -> f_ | 18:06 | |
| minute | josch: the autostart stuff seems to have worked! | 18:11 |
| minute | also, the main issue messing up KDE UI is that we set QT_QPA_PLATFORMTHEME=qt5ct | 18:11 |
| minute | this needs to be unset for KDE... | 18:11 |
| f_ | minutepocket: is that you on pocket reform? | 18:22 |
| minutepocket | f_: yep | 18:26 |
| f_ | :D | 18:26 |
| minutepocket | doing a bit of testing on it here in parallel | 18:26 |
| f_ | Does it work well? :P | 18:26 |
| minutepocket | yeah. i just need to do some polishing work | 18:26 |
| f_ | nice | 18:27 |
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| + doctorhoo (~doctorhoo@217-210-162-155-no600.tbcn.telia.com) | 18:40 | |
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| + jacobk (~quassel@129.110.242.224) | 18:44 | |
| minute | josch: comments? https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-tools/-/merge_requests/60 | 18:50 |
| josch | minute: this works for systemd so maybe a hunch: does replacing the files with symlinks to /dev/null also have the desired effect? | 18:56 |
| josch | because that would avoid copypasting that much content that will not remain up-to-date anyways | 18:56 |
| josch | the other stuff just seems to changes to themes which are probably inconsequential | 18:58 |
| + klardotsh (~klardotsh@c-67-170-115-80.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) | 19:05 | |
| minute | josch: yes, actually we can probably delete the qt5ct config now that we don't default to it anymore. regarding /dev/null: do you mean the waybar systemd file, or also the .desktop files? | 19:07 |
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| + mark_ (~mjw@gnu.wildebeest.org) | 19:40 | |
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| * mark_ -> mjw | 19:42 | |
| + mark_ (~mjw@2001:1c06:2488:1400:4fd:39a7:74ac:7bae) | 19:42 | |
| josch | minute: i'm not 100% sure about either. I know that .service files can be symlinks to /dev/null in /etc/systemd/system/ to disable them but i don't know whether the same thing works for .service files in ~/.config/systemd/user or even for .desktop files or whether there might be nasty error messages in the logs instead. | 20:18 |
| josch | just an idea to try | 20:18 |
| - jacobk (QUIT: Ping timeout: 260 seconds) (~quassel@129.110.242.224) | 20:19 | |
| josch | desktop stuff is not my area of expertise :D | 20:24 |
| + jacobk (~quassel@utdpat241106.utdallas.edu) | 20:30 | |
| minute | hehe | 20:32 |
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| + Boostisbetter (4a410829d7@irc.cheogram.com) | 21:35 | |
| + chomwitt (~chomwitt@2a02:587:7a2d:bc00:1ac0:4dff:fedb:a3f1) | 22:03 | |
| - Boostisbetter (QUIT: Ping timeout: 264 seconds) (4a410829d7@irc.cheogram.com) | 22:14 | |
| violet | erle: im not a minetest player! i just like to write little utilities in lua | 22:30 |
| erle | violet do you maybe want to help me with the standalone tga encoder i maintain? | 22:30 |
| erle | violet also do you have a website with your tools? | 22:31 |
| erle | the tga encoder is here btw: https://git.minetest.land/erlehmann/tga_encoder | 22:31 |
| + Boostisbetter (4a410829d7@irc.cheogram.com) | 22:33 | |
| vkoskiv | Minetest is super fun, because all the game logic is easily available for editing in lua | 22:34 |
| - chomwitt (QUIT: Read error: Connection reset by peer) (~chomwitt@2a02:587:7a2d:bc00:1ac0:4dff:fedb:a3f1) | 22:45 | |
| abortretryfail | I used Lua to write Vendetta Online plugins. Their "table" structure is a neat built-in type | 23:12 |
| josch | i maintain a foss engine for heroes of might and magic 3 called vcmi in debian -- they have their mods written in lua | 23:14 |
| josch | minute: alternatively, what happens if you just replace the .desktop files with an empty file -- does that also overwrite it successfully? | 23:26 |
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