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| + ehenter (~ehenter@82-181-225-23.bb.dnainternet.fi) | 09:23 | |
| ehenter | Hello again! I've played a little bit with my reform and this thing has been really stable so good job everybody :) | 09:26 |
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| vkoskiv | Hello. Good to hear! I've been using mine a lot | 09:27 |
| ehenter | josch: I also tested LS1028A system image with bpo kernel from reform.debian.net on my reform and it still entered emergency shell during boot because systemd dependecies fails for boot.mount, local-fs.target and systemd-fsck. I can exit it and continue boot normally and it works fine after that | 09:29 |
| ehenter | But I noticed that sometimes usb devices (including keyboard) is not initialized before luks password prompt. Shutting reform off and turning it on fixes that sometimes. This occurs mainly when I turn reform on shortly after I have shut it down | 09:31 |
| ehenter | vkoskiv: nice :D Which SOM you have installed? | 09:32 |
| vkoskiv | A311D! | 09:32 |
| ehenter | I have LS1028A. Been waiting this sooooo long and I'm so happy to finally have this working :D | 09:33 |
| ehenter | How is your audio working? Mine have some crackling when listening any audio from speakers or headphone jack | 09:34 |
| vkoskiv | Works fine. Left speker wire came undone coincidentally after the upgrade, but soldered that back on and it's been fine since | 09:40 |
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| + ehenter (~ehenter@82-181-225-23.bb.dnainternet.fi) | 09:41 | |
| ehenter | Hmm, that audio issue is currently my biggest issue. I was just thinking that if there are some configurations in software that I could try to eliminate that | 09:45 |
| josch | ehenter: did you re-download the ls1028a image? | 09:46 |
| ehenter | Yes, yesterday | 09:46 |
| josch | oh :( | 09:46 |
| josch | okay, let me try something... | 09:46 |
| josch | ehenter: can you give me a hash of the image you downloaded to make sure we are looking at the same thing? | 09:47 |
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| + ehenter (~ehenter@82-181-225-23.bb.dnainternet.fi) | 09:54 | |
| ehenter | Sorry, I have unstable network connection for some reason :( | 09:54 |
| ehenter | josch: what kind of hash you mean? | 09:54 |
| josch | ehenter: anything you like, like md5sum, sha1sum etc | 09:55 |
| ehenter | josch: md5sum: 1e75db178231b7140251e26db532e122 | 09:57 |
| josch | okay, i have the same | 09:58 |
| josch | then my theory was wrong | 09:58 |
| josch | so last time you reported this i investigated and found that the filesystem was somehow currupt | 09:58 |
| josch | and that's why during boot, the filesystem got only mounted read-only (because there were errors) | 09:58 |
| josch | and hence services failed and you got dropped to an emergency terminal | 09:58 |
| josch | are you able to see what actually failed from the boot messages? | 09:59 |
| josch | are you able to investigate what failed from the emergency terminal? | 09:59 |
| ehenter | Well, those errors actually came right after "Timed out waiting for device dev-disk-by/x2dlabel-reformsdboot.device" | 10:00 |
| ehenter | I can try again later this evening and investigate further. And even try another SD card if that is the issue for some reason | 10:01 |
| josch | oh i did not have that error | 10:01 |
| josch | ehenter: if you have some time, another thing you could try are the images provided my mntre.com: https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-system-image/-/jobs/2494/artifacts/browse | 10:03 |
| josch | if those have the same error, then there is a bigger problem :( | 10:03 |
| josch | unfortunately i cannot test right now because i need my reform with the imx8mq | 10:03 |
| josch | i'd like to buy a second motherboard but Lukas has way too much to do as usual these days XD | 10:04 |
| ehenter | josch: yes, I can try that in the evening after I have finished my other work :) | 10:04 |
| ehenter | For the rack reform thing? Or another laptop even? :D | 10:05 |
| josch | rack reform :) | 10:05 |
| josch | but even without the rack reform, a second device would be handy to be able to test all of this stuff myself without fearing that my only computer at home goes the way of the dodo XD | 10:05 |
| ehenter | I understand :D | 10:06 |
| josch | installing and removing my ls1028 three times was already a nerve wrecking experience :D | 10:07 |
| ehenter | Building DIY kit was alone kind of nerve wrecking and I didn't even have to touch the SOM :D | 10:08 |
| josch | i actually was surprised how many things already came pre-assembled in the DIY kit. For having done this only once i would not've minded having to assemble more than i had in the end. | 10:08 |
| josch | especially because i found the instruction manual to be really good and left me with no questions | 10:09 |
| ehenter | And it got worse when I booted first time and display started flickering. Removing wifi card was solution and now I applied some tape to that part of display cable and it seems fine so far :D | 10:09 |
| josch | ehenter: flickery display with ls1028a? | 10:09 |
| ehenter | Yes, but only when wifi card was installed | 10:09 |
| josch | that might've been a red-herring | 10:10 |
| josch | there is an update on that front: | 10:10 |
| josch | https://community.mnt.re/t/ls1028a-random-screen-tearing-flashing/1711/5 | 10:10 |
| Boostisbetter | So i was talking about Shattered Pixel Dungeon as a good game on the Reform, but I think it really messes up suspend. So I wouldn't play it if you are interesting in functional suspend. | 10:10 |
| josch | ehenter: so maybe your removal of the wifi card just resulted in the cable bending the "right" way | 10:11 |
| ehenter | Ah okay :D Maybe I could try that if flickering comes back. Or request new solution | 10:13 |
| ehenter | josch: do you have any issue regarding audio as I explained above? | 10:14 |
| josch | ehenter: unfortunately i had an accident with the audio chip on my board (totally my fault) and thus i have to resort to a usb bluetooth adapter for audio until i can buy a new motherboard and send the one i broke in for repair | 10:15 |
| ehenter | Oh no :( Now I just hope that I didn't accidentally broke something during assembly which causes my audio issues | 10:17 |
| ehenter | Luckily I have Fiio mp3 player which can also act as usb dac so I can live with that issue | 10:19 |
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| Boostisbetter | ehenter, do you know if any of the Fiio players have a user replaceable battery or if the batteries even can be replaced? | 10:41 |
| minute | ehenter: unfortunately i can't reproduce the audio issue atm because we sent out all module inventory to customers, except some older versions where audio cannot be tested. but we finally have more chips on the way to us | 10:42 |
| minute | oh wow, ls1028a chips are actually coming today according to ups tracking | 10:43 |
| minute | but then we have to send them to pcbway, chinese customs has to clear them and pcbway has to solder them and send them back. | 10:44 |
| Boostisbetter | minute: good to hear! | 10:44 |
| Boostisbetter | PCBWay does seem awesome. | 10:44 |
| Boostisbetter | Did you know that they are major contributing to the Commander X16 as well? | 10:45 |
| minute | Boostisbetter: we talked about that topic before ^^ | 10:45 |
| ehenter | Boostisbetter: sadly I have no idea. Mine don't have easily replaceable battery but it has lasted just fine past few years | 10:46 |
| ehenter | minute: no problem :) | 10:47 |
| Boostisbetter | minute: sorry I got ADD and I forget a lot about what I have already discussed. Thanks for being gracious about it. | 10:47 |
| Boostisbetter | ehenter, I really wish the whole repairable thing would take off already. Desposiable devices was a bad idea for the customer from day one. | 10:47 |
| ehenter | Boostisbetter: I agree. That was one thing that made reform so appealing ;) But then again, I tend to find new purposes for older devices. For example I have old computers and phones acting as music player and writing devices | 10:51 |
| ehenter | I wrote big part of my thesis on PowerBook G4 running OpenBSD with simple text editor because I wanted to fully focus on that | 10:52 |
| - jacobk (QUIT: Ping timeout: 272 seconds) (~quassel@utdpat242026.utdallas.edu) | 11:03 | |
| Boostisbetter | I wish I would have been able to experience the PowerPC days of Macs. | 11:11 |
| Boostisbetter | sadly I was team x86 all the way through growing up. | 11:11 |
| ehenter | Me too. But at least I got linux to play with when I was teenager :D | 11:28 |
| [tj] | I ran a mac specific spin of slackware called Slackintosh | 11:30 |
| [tj] | OpenBSD ran without Wifi, but Slackintosh was almost like running mac os | 11:31 |
| [tj] | I spent a lot of time rebuilding kernels with in dev version of bcm43xx to try and get working wifi | 11:31 |
| vkoskiv | ehenter: I wrote my bachelor's thesis on my trusty old Fujitsu S2110. 2GB of RAM didn't leave much room to procrastinate with other things :D | 11:35 |
| [tj] | vkoskiv: I'm sorry but I think you may not be as high a level procrastinator as I am | 11:36 |
| vkoskiv | (I found ways to procrastinate, just not on websites) | 11:36 |
| [tj] | I managed to procrastinate writing about running a 30 year old os on a 386 by fiddling with the 386 | 11:36 |
| vkoskiv | It took me well over a year to finish the thing, when normally it takes a month or two | 11:37 |
| [tj] | ah I see | 11:39 |
| [tj] | I apologise, you are an expert | 11:39 |
| [tj] | :D | 11:39 |
| ehenter | [tj]: I just used ethernet and ignored wifi completely because I still have nightmares about bcm43xx wifi which never worked when I was going to present something :D | 11:40 |
| [tj] | sadly that wasn't an option for me | 11:41 |
| ehenter | vkoskiv: and I thought that my 9 months journey was long :D | 11:42 |
| * mark_ -> mjw | 11:58 | |
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| vkoskiv | Man, it's good I got out of macOS land when I did | 12:24 |
| vkoskiv | I was just reminded that on macOS, gdb just straight up won't work unless you ask permission from Apple to run it | 12:24 |
| vkoskiv | You have to codesign it somehow, then it might work. But I won't do that. | 12:25 |
| vkoskiv | A commonly shared "solution" for crap like this is to disable SIP, but that advice is kind of like telling someone to disable their firewall if they have trouble making a connection with some service. | 12:26 |
| + Boostisbetter (4a410829d7@irc.cheogram.com) | 12:28 | |
| minute | ok, so we received the missing 36x LS1028AXE7PQA. the story can continue | 12:50 |
| + Equill (~kvirc@138.red-88-1-222.dynamicip.rima-tde.net) | 13:18 | |
| ehenter | Hmm, after about 4h of uptime, temps seems to sit between 75-80C with very light load and bottom plate gets pretty warm. Also coil whine gets more noticeable compared to when temps are lower. Is it expected to run that warm? | 13:21 |
| minute | ehenter: the ls1028a gets pretty hot yeah. is the heatsink firmly fitted? what can also help is putting some thermal paste/tape between the top end of heatsink and the case, if they're not touching well | 13:54 |
| minute | meaning, the back of the case | 13:54 |
| + jacobk (~quassel@129.110.242.224) | 14:07 | |
| ehenter | Thanks for the tips! I will check those out | 14:10 |
| Equill | Not just mine, then; good to know :) | 14:18 |
| [tj] | vkoskiv: stuff just has to be built the correct way, it isn't that much of an imposition if you are using apples tools and it does a lot of security | 14:56 |
| vkoskiv | Yeah, I went with it for a long time, but over time my way increasingly became the "wrong way", so I left. Much happier on linux land nowadays :] | 14:59 |
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| minute | (on pocket) > Bus 001 Device 003: ID 2c7c:0306 Quectel Wireless Solutions Co., Ltd. EG06/EP06/EM06 LTE-A modem | 16:25 |
| minute | ok, so the modem we offered through mouser for the pocket reform campaign actually boots correctly now | 16:26 |
| josch | what was the problem before? | 16:30 |
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| * reform30268 -> ckeen | 16:43 | |
| ckeen | hi! I have ordered a laird wifi antenna also mentioned on the forum. How did you attach these? Re-use the acrylic sheet from the default antenna? I may laser out another one just in case.. | 16:44 |
| ckeen | ah darn need to go, I will check the logs for your answers | 16:47 |
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| ehenter | josch: I tested the image you linked earlier and sadly I experience exactly same issue as with reform.debian.net image :( | 16:53 |
| + doctorhoo (~doctorhoo@2a00:801:779:4c0:29db:a57e:c818:b4ad) | 16:53 | |
| ehenter | System image on sd card also seems painfully slow to use. So I suspect that this issue might be caused by my sd card but unfortunately I don't have any faster card available right now. Can I boot image from usb stick on ls1028a? | 16:56 |
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| + doctorhoo (~doctorhoo@217-210-162-155-no600.tbcn.telia.com) | 17:33 | |
| minute | ehenter: you can boot from SATA and i also think from USB stick, but with the caveat that you still have to have the boot SD card inserted. it will load uboot from there and that in turn can boot from USB or SATA (or eMMC) | 17:36 |
| josch | is u-boot for ls1028a configured to do that? | 17:38 |
| minute | josch: ah hmm, good question. | 17:39 |
| minute | in the worst case you could customize the boot.scr | 17:39 |
| minute | not super fun playing around with uboot on ls1028a as you only see output via serial console | 17:40 |
| minute | josch: on the first version of pocket motherboard, not all modem control lines were set up correctly. | 17:45 |
| josch | ah okay, then awesome that that's fixed! | 17:46 |
| minute | yesss | 17:51 |
| josch | ehenter: do you have a usb uart adapter that you can use to connect to your ls1028a reform via serial? you could use that to get into a u-boot prompt and do a printenv to see if it is configured to boot from sata | 17:51 |
| ehenter | Oh, I do not have any issue booting from SATA SSD. My encrypted SATA installation works just fine :) | 18:07 |
| ehenter | The issue I mentioned only happens when I flash system image on another SD card. I asked about booting from USB because those errors might be caused by bad SD card and I was thinking if I could flash image to plain USB stick and boot from there. | 18:07 |
| josch | ehenter: is your /boot also on SATA? | 18:08 |
| ehenter | josch: no, it's in SD | 18:08 |
| josch | then u-boot is still booting from the SD card | 18:09 |
| josch | it is your linux+initrd on SD card that the boots the rest from SATA | 18:09 |
| ehenter | Ahh, ok ok :D So you are asking if uboot could boot straight from SATA. But I would still need sd card containig uboot? | 18:12 |
| josch | yes | 18:13 |
| josch | ls1028a itself needs to load u-boot from somewhere and it only supports loading it from sd-card | 18:13 |
| josch | then u-boot itself can support loading linux and initrd from other sources like sd-card, emmc, sata, usb... | 18:14 |
| josch | and then once linux is loaded you get even more options of where to load your rootfs from | 18:14 |
| ehenter | Okay, that makes sense. I do have USB UART cable available, I just need to find it and set it up | 18:16 |
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| josch | ehenter: i think you do not need to find your uart anymore | 18:38 |
| josch | it occurred to me that it is also possible to extract the initial bootenv from the u-boot flash.bin binary | 18:39 |
| josch | https://mister-muffin.de/p/LXoY.txt | 18:39 |
| josch | minute: this does not look like it would boot from sata | 18:39 |
| ehenter | Hmm, I didn't find it anyway :( I need to remember to get new one | 18:53 |
| minute | josch: yeah, sorry, my mistake... it would need to be customized for ls1028a. i actually don't know how good the sata support for it in u-boot is. | 18:54 |
| minute | for usb stick i would try the port closest to the hdmi connector, it does not go through the hub | 18:54 |
| josch | does this explain why my external cd-drive works on that port but not on the others? | 18:59 |
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| minute | josch: kind of. those hub ports are also power gated, and the non-hub-one isn't. | 19:01 |
| minute | josch: i.e. it allows more current | 19:01 |
| josch | hah! | 19:02 |
| josch | is this documented somewhere? | 19:02 |
| minute | only in the schematic ^^ | 19:02 |
| + jacobk (~quassel@129.110.242.224) | 19:08 | |
| josch | minute: # CONFIG_SATA_BOOT is not set | 19:24 |
| josch | enabling that might do something :) | 19:24 |
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| * wielaard -> mjw | 19:25 | |
| + mark_ (~mjw@2001:1c06:2488:1400:4fd:39a7:74ac:7bae) | 19:25 | |
| josch | minute: the second bit is editing BOOT_TARGET_DEVICES in include/configs/ls1028a_common.h (i guess) because that currently only lists mmc, usb, pxe and dhcp | 19:32 |
| minute | ok, thanks for looking into it. i have to organize sending these 36x fresh ls1028a chips to the board house | 19:35 |
| - colinsane (QUIT: Ping timeout: 246 seconds) (~colinunin@97-113-128-229.tukw.qwest.net) | 19:43 | |
| josch | okay, i just faced the first time my imx nearly ran out of ram (but 8 gb swap saved me) -- in hindsight i probably shouldn't have built this c++ project with debug symbols turned with -j4 :D | 19:48 |
| josch | *turned on | 19:48 |
| minute | :D | 19:59 |
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| + jacobk (~quassel@utdpat241106.utdallas.edu) | 20:34 | |
| abortretryfail | josch: just add more swap. compilers waste RAM all over the place these days. :) | 20:41 |
| abortretryfail | ACTION had to add like 20GB to bootstrap Zig on a RPi400 | 20:41 |
| vkoskiv | My compiler doesn't! | 20:42 |
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| josch | vkoskiv: i bet you just avoid compiling the wrong things ;) | 21:43 |
| sigrid | these new programming languages sure are made only for owners of supercomputers | 21:44 |
| vkoskiv | Mostly, yeah. The reform is a supercomputer, at least as far as my hobby C projects are concerned. | 21:45 |
| sigrid | same. I can hardly ever make 2Gb ram of it used | 21:46 |
| Boostisbetter | with an NVME and a good size swap I have NEVER had a RAM problem. The NVME pretty much makes it a null point. | 21:53 |
| Boostisbetter | The Purism Librem 5, on the other hand has crashed many times due to running out of memory. | 21:53 |
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