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| josch | minute: when you packaged firedecor, did you just copypaste the wayfire packaging? The build-depends seem to be way too many | 00:26 |
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| minute | josch: hmm it might be, i wasn't very precise | 00:49 |
| josch | okay | 00:50 |
| josch | i'll upload the package to NEW in a few minutes | 00:50 |
| josch | packaging here: https://salsa.debian.org/debian/reform-firedecor | 00:50 |
| minute | neat | 00:51 |
| josch | minute: i only just noticed. You created a date-based tag, but meson.build says the version is 0.1 | 00:55 |
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| noam | minute: given that the 5V line works if the SoC is not inserted, is it likely that replacing the SoC would be sufficient? I kinda want to figure out the issue with the SoC module anyways, but as a short-term fix a replacement might not be unreasonable :/ | 02:28 |
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| minute | noam: my guess would be that one of the 5v input capacitors died and shorts out on the module. this happened a few times. can you check with a multimeter if there's a short between 5v and gnd on the module? | 10:08 |
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| minute | vkoskiv: we need to find a different workaround for the brightest kbd brightness. some new keyboards we're testing are flashing at the highest brightness with the latest fw | 11:20 |
| vkoskiv | Weird, yeah, do you have a scope available to see what it's doing? | 11:21 |
| vkoskiv | For the time being, we could just limit the max brightness to one step lower | 11:21 |
| minute | as a temp fix that would be good :3 | 11:23 |
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| minute | vkoskiv: about the flashing command for trackball and keyboard: i think it's a great concept in general, i'm only worried about the security implications. i think on the keyboard at least it should probably ask for confirmation on the device itself | 13:08 |
| sigrid | could ask to press trackball buttons in specific order as well :) | 13:11 |
| josch | yes, make them flash in the order they have to be pressed! :D | 13:13 |
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| minute | haha | 13:20 |
| minute | konami code | 13:20 |
| minute | i was thinking about something like pressing several buttons together or something | 13:20 |
| josch | unfortunately five buttons are not enough for the konami code :( | 13:22 |
| Boostisbetter | hmmm, seems like the Signal desktop client is no longer freezing or handing when trying to interact with it. | 13:24 |
| Boostisbetter | minute: any chance that we'll get an aluminum black cover for the bottom in the future? I do like the acryllic one, but I think a full black case would also be cool. Nothing serious. If I am the only one asking for that, then don't even worry about it. | 13:25 |
| minute | Boostisbetter: it comes up from time to time, rarely but it does | 13:26 |
| Boostisbetter | minute: I think it would tank wifi reception and so it makes sense to leave it as is. | 13:28 |
| josch | Boostisbetter: reform.d.n now has the backported 6.5 kernel and might be interesting for you if you don't want to stay on unstable | 13:32 |
| josch | in related news: reform.debian.net now also offers images for ls1028a and a311d | 13:32 |
| josch | and debian-installer images for ls1028a and a311d | 13:32 |
| josch | though a311d will be broken until the reform-tools 1.33 MR gets merged | 13:37 |
| josch | debian-installer for a311d that is | 13:38 |
| josch | because it requires updated reform-flash-uboot | 13:38 |
| minute | vkoskiv: interesting, the logo_timeout doesn't seem to work for me | 13:40 |
| minute | josch: i have merged it now, can only realistically test it in depth when it's rolled out though :D | 13:42 |
| minute | (which i would like to do) | 13:42 |
| Boostisbetter | josch: thanks! I guess I am pretty use to unstable now, and so I don't really feel the need now to move to stable. Especially since converting my current system to stable is kind of a cluster. | 13:43 |
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| minute | vkoskiv: ah, it's because in standalone mode, keyboard doesn't call refresh_menu_page() | 13:46 |
| minute | fixed | 13:49 |
| josch | minute: to be able to realistically test reform-tools 1.33 i created system images for you that include it :) | 13:50 |
| Boostisbetter | josch: or am I wrong about moving over to stable? Is it not that bad, or will things break, etc.? | 13:54 |
| josch | Boostisbetter: it is entirely up to you :) | 13:54 |
| Boostisbetter | josch: no I mean is it going to break things, or mess up my system? If that is a possibility then I don't see the need. If it is a painless process, then yes, I would still like to get on stable. | 13:55 |
| josch | Boostisbetter: since you are already in newer-than-stable, i would not recommend going back | 13:55 |
| josch | you can still switch your package sources though | 13:56 |
| josch | then any apt upgrade would not pull from unstable but from stable | 13:56 |
| minute | vkoskiv: pushed some updates to keyboard fw | 13:57 |
| minute | josch: ah sorry, totally forgot about that! | 13:58 |
| josch | no worries, you have a lot on your plate | 13:58 |
| Boostisbetter | josch: if you have the time could you walk me through doing that on xmpp? No pressure or worries, either way. | 13:59 |
| minute | keyboard fw has some neat enhancements now, mostly by vkoskiv | 13:59 |
| minute | Boostisbetter: wouldn't it make more sense for such a guide to be public? then others could benefit | 14:00 |
| josch | i can write something up but it's kinda a hack | 14:00 |
| josch | Boostisbetter: if you do not know how to do it yourself, i'm worried that you also do not know how to fix problems if they should happen | 14:00 |
| josch | on the other hand, i think a system with stable as a repo and only some packages from unstable is more stable than a system that regularly gets updated (all packages) to unstable | 14:01 |
| Boostisbetter | I am not completely incapable, but I know that this is outside of the norm for typical apt adjustment, etc. | 14:03 |
| Boostisbetter | but I think I would like to be on the stable repos though. | 14:04 |
| minute | btw we're preparing 2 laptops for reviews (with a311d) and i think i should try to fix the ???% problem before | 14:04 |
| josch | uuuh that would be sweet! | 14:05 |
| Boostisbetter | minute: big names doing the review? | 14:05 |
| josch | Boostisbetter: okay, can you pastebin what you get when you run "apt-cache policy"? | 14:05 |
| josch | remove private repos from that output, of course | 14:05 |
| Boostisbetter | josch: https://pastebin.com/AmuJqhf0 | 14:14 |
| Boostisbetter | I didn't remove anything because I am in a course atm but I wanted to get you the info. | 14:15 |
| josch | uff there is a lot :D | 14:17 |
| josch | minute: so that's the other reason why i'm worried to post instructions -- in the case of Boostisbetter it will not be very straight forward | 14:18 |
| josch | Boostisbetter: whether this will break anything on your system also depends on what platform the stuff you have installed from other repos is compiled for | 14:19 |
| josch | Boostisbetter: next would be what you have in your /etc/apt/sources.list (remove stuff you don't want to share before) | 14:21 |
| josch | you can of course also send me things via xmpp or irc query | 14:21 |
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| Boostisbetter | josch: sent it to you on your xmpp account | 14:50 |
| josch | Boostisbetter: sorry, i'm now afk until later this evening | 14:51 |
| Boostisbetter | josch: no worries at all! Whenever you have time | 14:51 |
| minute | josch: alright | 15:11 |
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| josch | minute: i now wrote Boostisbetter privately but essentially everything i wrote is contained here: https://reform.debian.net/repo/ | 16:47 |
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| Boostisbetter | and it all worked. | 16:59 |
| josch | Boostisbetter: can you show me the output of "apt-cache policy" again? | 17:01 |
| vkoskiv | TIL I can run the latest Blender 3.6 on Reform, with software OpenGL | 17:02 |
| vkoskiv | LIBGL_ALWAYS_SOFTWARE=1 blender | 17:03 |
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| vkoskiv | I found a way to run obs-studio, a bit of hacking is required though. | 17:05 |
| vkoskiv | The build available on apt doesn't work | 17:06 |
| vkoskiv | Building from source takes only around 6 minutes on the A311D though, and with a small patch + lying to it about our OpenGL version, it works! | 17:07 |
| vkoskiv | I'm sure some fancier effects might kill it, but I added a webcam + screen capture source, and recorded a clip just fine. | 17:07 |
| vkoskiv | Looking into performance now, it's just barely around 20FPS at 720p, but the resolution/encoding doesn't seem to be the bottleneck | 17:08 |
| vkoskiv | Instead sway jumps up to 80-90% CPU and the UI noticeably slows down, with OBS hanging around 30-40% utilization | 17:09 |
| vkoskiv | But it works! | 17:09 |
| vkoskiv | I actually spent like 3 hours yesterday trying to rebase some later fixes over an older checkout of obs, but then realised the minimum requirement is inded 3.2, not 3.1 like I thought | 17:09 |
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| vkoskiv | Funny enough, in Blender the Cycles pathtracing renderer works perfectly fine to render complicated scenes, memory permitting - It's the viewport/GUI stuff that requires newer OpenGL | 17:21 |
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| minute | josch: great docs, thank you! | 18:03 |
| minute | vkoskiv: blender is probably too slow to really use with software GL though, no? | 18:03 |
| Boostisbetter | it just occured to me that I can tell everyone I am on Stable Trixie on my Reform. Hahaha! | 18:05 |
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| vkoskiv | It's fast enough to work in a pinch, certainly not for regular use though | 18:28 |
| vkoskiv | Some settings can be turned down, and the viewport can be made smaller, then it works okay-ish | 18:28 |
| Boostisbetter | I used to use Blender a lot, but haven't for a while. I need to get back on it. It is a solid piece of software. | 18:40 |
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| jfred | Interesting... Nvidia isn't particularly friendly to the FOSS world, but AMD has been lately I think. Imagine an AMD ARM module for the Reform: https://www.theverge.com/2023/10/23/23929240/nvidia-amd-cpu-arm-pc-chips-2025-release-rumors | 20:57 |
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| Boostisbetter | indeed, would be awesome to have something like that. Although I am pretty happy with the imx8. | 22:37 |
| sigrid | qualcomm? yikes. | 22:38 |
| sigrid | wouldn't it be, like, full of binary blobs and no-longer-supported SoCs? | 22:39 |
| josch | in german, "qual" means "torture" -- that is no coincidence! | 22:39 |
| vkoskiv | I'm messing around with the very dodgy khadas/amlogic/??? hw encode/decode demo programs | 22:47 |
| vkoskiv | I had to fix like 3 or 4 makefiles to even get it to compile | 22:47 |
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| vkoskiv | Then I find a very cursed 'readme.doc' in here :D | 22:47 |
| vkoskiv | (it's an actual windows office doc file, not plaintext) | 22:47 |
| vkoskiv | These are all dynamically linked, so I have to provide very long LD_LIBRARY_PATHs to get the thing to even load | 22:50 |
| sigrid | ah yes, dynamic linking, such a cool technology | 22:51 |
| vkoskiv | Hey! It loaded, now I read the help message with typos, to figure out how to use this thing | 22:51 |
| sigrid | I heard there is patchelf that helps with this a bit | 22:51 |
| vkoskiv | There is a distinct possibility that I just spent 45 minutes debugging how to build malware | 22:51 |
| vkoskiv | Who knows | 22:51 |
| klardotsh | sigrid: read through the aarch64-laptops github project and the related irc channel logs to learn about the horrors that come with trying to run mainline linux on sdm yeah. to Linaro's credit they're doing miracle work to upstream almost everything into the torvalds tree, but you need all sorts of userspace daemons to load eg wifi/bt firmwares, the dac/dsp chip is integrated into the som and requires more firmware loading, etc | 22:51 |
| vkoskiv | This is the repo: https://github.com/numbqq/encoder_libs_aml | 22:51 |
| vkoskiv | License is Maybe Apache? | 22:52 |
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| vkoskiv | It's all just kind of... Yes. | 22:52 |
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| vkoskiv | the framerate param is just called "gop" in the help text. That makes sense. | 22:53 |
| vkoskiv | wait no, there is also framerate | 22:53 |
| vkoskiv | Ah, gop is iframe refresh interval | 22:54 |
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| sigrid | I'd personally boycott altogether those products that do daemons/firmwares approach | 22:55 |
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| vkoskiv | Alrighty, moment of truth, I'll watch /proc/interrupts to see if it's doing anything or not | 22:57 |
| vkoskiv | segfault. go figure. | 22:58 |
| vkoskiv | Ohh, you know what, this probably just requires some proprietary kernel blob doesn't it | 22:59 |
| vkoskiv | "Can't open VPU driver" | 22:59 |
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| minute | vkoskiv: yeah, i wouldn't assume that vendor tools work on mainline. | 23:03 |
| minute | vkoskiv: you could ask in #linux-amlogic if there's any encoding tooling or driver work for a311d | 23:04 |
| vkoskiv | Good refresher on link flag order + LD_LIBRARY_PATH | 23:09 |
| vkoskiv | I did just spot a PR from 3 years ago on that repo doing the exact fix I found | 23:09 |
| vkoskiv | Why do vendors insist on proprietary | 23:09 |
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| vkoskiv | Don't they realise how much more stuff they would sell if it was all open? | 23:10 |
| josch | would they? | 23:10 |
| josch | how many people have bought a reform so far | 23:10 |
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| josch | the companies making big bucks right now are almost exclusively all doing propr. software | 23:10 |
| josch | so it seems to work just fine | 23:11 |
| vkoskiv | Not even people, big companies, integrators. Surely it's far smaller of a risk to them if it's mainline? | 23:11 |
| sigrid | it's a lot more work | 23:11 |
| klardotsh | they only care about shipping their device, once it's out in the world, why do they care if the drivers are upstreamed? they can run that kernel they built in 1805 for the life of the product, it makes no diff to them | 23:11 |
| josch | that, plus the legal baggage of something that is not "you are not allowed to do anything with our stuff" | 23:11 |
| klardotsh | see chromebooks for a great example of this. they run whatever kernel showed up a year or two prior to the device being generally available to the public, FOREVER | 23:12 |
| josch | of course -- if things break, just throw it away and buy the next product | 23:13 |
| vkoskiv | A heavy tax on disposable hardware is needed, then. | 23:15 |
| klardotsh | there's a sick irony in so much focus being on plastic straws and forks, yet a complete blind eye towards cell phones, laptops, vape pens, etc. that make mountains of plastic junk every year, yeah, agreed | 23:15 |
| klardotsh | if you can muster the political support for such a tax in the US, I'll move to whatever state you're running in to vote for ya :P I've given up hope on such a thing tbqh | 23:16 |
| vkoskiv | I've seen plastic straws for sale that are much thicker plastic, because they "aren't disposable", but people throw them away after one use anyway | 23:16 |
| vkoskiv | So more plastic in the landfill. | 23:16 |
| vkoskiv | klardotsh: Way ahead of ya, I'm in the EU :D | 23:17 |
| vkoskiv | Probably not completely unrealistic maybe hopefully | 23:17 |
| klardotsh | ah. well. enjoy not living in the stone age then :) | 23:17 |
| josch | even assuming it's "already" bronze age over here, that doesnt make it that much better either XD | 23:19 |
| sigrid | not to go too far off-topic, but the best recycle-able straws i've seen where just thick tube pasta for cold coffee in Tallinn | 23:19 |
| vkoskiv | tube pasta straws seem fun | 23:19 |
| josch | the best i've seen were just bamboo sticks :) | 23:19 |
| vkoskiv | Pasta/starchy things don't go mushy as fast as paper does, right? | 23:20 |
| sigrid | that is correct | 23:20 |
| josch | or... one could... just not use a straw at all and just drink from the glass directly? :D | 23:21 |
| josch | ACTION runs | 23:21 |
| sigrid | unthinkable | 23:21 |
| sigrid | take away? just sit down, there is no rush - then you don't even need *cups* | 23:22 |
| vkoskiv | I really, really want to be able to contribute driver patches | 23:22 |
| vkoskiv | I don't think I'm there yet, but hopefully I'm getting closer towards that | 23:22 |
| klardotsh | pasta straws? that sounds lovely, wow | 23:23 |
| vkoskiv | I think either way, embedded will be my escape from the telco world | 23:24 |
| vkoskiv | Maybe hopefully. | 23:24 |
| sigrid | heh. one time I escaped from embedded to telco | 23:25 |
| klardotsh | y'all are finding jobs outside of web saas startups? *sigh* | 23:25 |
| vkoskiv | I mean, they pay me lots of $, that makes it tolerable. And the coworkers are nice. | 23:25 |
| vkoskiv | I originally joined because I got to maintain a C codebase :D | 23:25 |
| vkoskiv | The documentation for that project is all meticulously prepared in LaTeX | 23:26 |
| vkoskiv | It's really quite pleasant. | 23:26 |
| vkoskiv | I tried to profile sway to see why it's so slow with OBS, didn't get very far | 23:30 |
| vkoskiv | Didn't seem like it was sway itself though, it was mostly spending time in some library, I forget which now | 23:35 |
| vkoskiv | I'll investigate more tomorrow. I'm pretty sure OBS can be made entirely usable even with just sw encode | 23:35 |
| josch | vkoskiv: much success!! | 23:44 |
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