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| bkeys | noam: I used a company called PSI Repair https://www.psi-repair.com/ | 01:34 |
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| bkeys | They have repaired my Reform in the past; they have pretty good turnaround time | 01:34 |
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| henesy | looking to get an idea of what kind of damage i did, 2 screws fell out of the board that seats the power cells, so i unseated the power lines to the mainboard, then popped the cells out around the screw sockets i was going to replace the screws into, did that fine | 03:08 |
| * V_ -> V | 03:08 | |
| henesy | then had the bright idea to check the other screws to see if they were loose and poked them with my screwdriver | 03:09 |
| henesy | muscle twitch and i connect a + - lead and get a little spark and magic smoke | 03:09 |
| henesy | machine boots fine, but says ???% for the batter status which is discouraging | 03:09 |
| henesy | 0.298A 25.69V on the battery status menu | 03:10 |
| henesy | noam, sigrid thoughts? | 03:11 |
| henesy | i am admittedly not much of an electronics person | 03:11 |
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| abortretryfail | the LPC will say that if it resets and doesn't rememer what "full" looks like. Should go back to a number once it charges 100% again. | 03:22 |
| henesy | gotcha, thanks | 03:22 |
| abortretryfail | lesson learned I guess, use insulated tools or remove the batteries before poking around? | 03:23 |
| henesy | well i removed the battery on the right power cell block bc that one was missing screws | 03:28 |
| henesy | but yeah gonna be a lot more judicious about it in the future | 03:28 |
| henesy | the big stupid moment was being quick about trying the screw sockets on the other side with uninsulated tools | 03:28 |
| bkeys | henesy: Yeah I damaged mine once, first thing I do now is unplug the battery boards before doing anything | 03:36 |
| sigrid | 03:09 < henesy> muscle twitch and i connect a + - lead and get a little spark and magic smoke | 03:37 |
| sigrid | did you find what is burnt? | 03:38 |
| sigrid | if it's a trace on the battery board you might be able to solder it over | 03:38 |
| henesy | probably my knuckle hair | 03:38 |
| henesy | everything *seems* to be fine | 03:38 |
| sigrid | I did exactly that after dropping a screwdriver there | 03:38 |
| sigrid | if you take a multimeter and poke at the battery boards maybe you can find it | 03:40 |
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| henesy | cool thankjs | 03:42 |
| henesy | i should do that | 03:42 |
| sigrid | 03:10 < henesy> 0.298A 25.69V on the battery status menu | 03:42 |
| sigrid | though that looks fine | 03:42 |
| henesy | good! | 03:42 |
| sigrid | so maybe you indeed only burnt some hair | 03:42 |
| sigrid | I electrocuted myself a few days ago while fixing stuff in there with my bare hands | 03:42 |
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| abortretryfail | omg, this. this is what i was looking for a week ago: echo "xUAR1" >/dev/hidraw0 | 05:34 |
| noam | bkeys: oh interesting, thanks | 05:37 |
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| Boostisbetter | So I just found the instruction for switching to stable Debian. | 08:57 |
| Boostisbetter | I would prefer this but I have been keeping unstable up to date. Is this going to be a problem? | 08:57 |
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| * bkeys1 -> bkeys | 09:06 | |
| josch | Boostisbetter: maybe :) | 09:23 |
| josch | Boostisbetter: so in practice a lot of people are mixing stable+unstable | 09:23 |
| josch | it can brake but i have only seen this very ragely | 09:24 |
| josch | *rarely | 09:24 |
| Boostisbetter | josch: I'm going to do it. | 09:24 |
| josch | Boostisbetter: but then you'll go back to kernel 6.1 | 09:24 |
| josch | and you want 6.5 for suspend | 09:24 |
| josch | i mean, you could keep your 6.5 kernel with mostly stable-userland | 09:24 |
| Boostisbetter | josch: oh... nevermind then. I'll just slow down on updating unstable. So far I have had very little issue with it. | 09:24 |
| josch | but it will be a bit tricky to manage apt pinning | 09:24 |
| Boostisbetter | josch: yeah, I'm not looking to complicate things, and I really have been doing just fine in unstable, as I'm sure most Reform users have. | 09:25 |
| josch | Boostisbetter: keep an eye on the kernel backports for stable | 09:25 |
| josch | currently 6.4 has been backported | 09:25 |
| Boostisbetter | josch: are you on unstable or stable? | 09:25 |
| josch | once 6.5 has been backported, that could be an option | 09:25 |
| josch | Boostisbetter: I'm on stable with 6.5 kernel | 09:25 |
| Boostisbetter | josch: ok, well then when 6.5 is backported, I'll hope over to stable. | 09:26 |
| josch | i'll first have to teach reform.d.n to also build backported kernels but yes, that should be possible | 09:26 |
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| minute | rpi 5 https://www.raspberrypi.com/products/raspberry-pi-5/ | 09:55 |
| josch | "Raspberry Pi 5 won't fit the Raspberry Pi 4 Case" :( | 09:57 |
| minute | ah hm | 10:31 |
| minute | interesting bits: rpi5 cpu is 4x a76 at 16nm. a311d cpu is 4x a73 + 2x a53 at 12nm. rk3588 is 4x a76 + 4x a55 at 8nm. | 10:34 |
| Boostisbetter | Sounds like a nice improvement over the 4. | 10:35 |
| minute | yeah, no word about a CM5 yet though. | 10:38 |
| + amospalla (~amospalla@212.231.228.113) | 10:39 | |
| amospalla | Hi, I saw here the rpi5 got announced. Quite exciting. Just came to post this benchmark that phoronix published https://www.phoronix.com/review/raspberry-pi-5-benchmarks . | 10:40 |
| amospalla | I don't know how the compute modules work, but is it expected that this new raspberry pi 5 doesn't fit into the CM4 right? | 10:41 |
| minute | amospalla: there's no rpi5 compute module announced yet from rpi | 10:42 |
| amospalla | I mean, traditionally raspberry pi versions come with different compute modules? | 10:42 |
| amospalla | Yeah, just guessing/chatting. | 10:42 |
| josch | the cooling versus no-cooling benchmarks are interesting | 10:42 |
| amospalla | I find interesting the 1 thread benchmarks. | 10:43 |
| josch | even if they would have a CM5 available it probably wouldn't change much as it would only mean that both the CM4 *and* the CM5 are unavailable for purchase :D | 10:44 |
| minute | haha | 10:46 |
| amospalla | Yes hehehe :D | 10:46 |
| minute | meanwhile, ls1028a and rcm4/a311d manuals are online: https://mntre.com/docs-reform.html#cpu-modules | 10:46 |
| josch | minute: is it now time for me to buy the m.2 sata ssd? :) | 10:47 |
| minute | josch: i think it is | 10:47 |
| josch | awesome :) | 10:47 |
| josch | i'll help a friend move to berlin over the weekend -- i might just see the UPS truck with my board in it drive past me on the highway :D | 10:48 |
| minute | haha nice | 10:50 |
| josch | is the generic heatsink also compatible with imx8mq? | 10:50 |
| minute | theoretically yes. but didn't test the thermal performance yet | 10:51 |
| minute | (with imx8mq) | 10:51 |
| josch | the manual doesn't mention the heat anymore -- so it works fine even without somehow better connecting the heatsink to the case? | 10:56 |
| minute | josch: using thermal paste or thin pad there can still be beneficial, but it's a bit messy, so it's not in the manual | 11:00 |
| minute | (yet) | 11:00 |
| josch | ultimately, i want my ls1028a in the rack reform anyways | 11:12 |
| Boostisbetter | honestly, i am very happy with the imx8 and nvme drive. Stability and suspend are what I am after\ | 11:12 |
| josch | i'll not be able to use it much in my reform this semester because i need hdmi for the classes i'm giving and last year students found it fantastic to see the reform, so i definitely do not want to use a different presentation device | 11:12 |
| Boostisbetter | honestly, i am very happy with the imx8 and nvme drive. Stability and suspend are what I am after | 11:12 |
| Boostisbetter | josch: heck yeah. I think your Reform is great. Would be really good to see it. Such a capable Reform as well. | 11:13 |
| Boostisbetter | After board 2.5 arrives, it will be a capable suspendable Reform as well! | 11:13 |
| minute | josch: cool to hear about the students' reactions! | 11:14 |
| josch | well, i also got a "can i play league of legends on this?" ;) | 11:15 |
| josch | the course is an introduction to computer science, so showing students a computing device like the reform really helps i think | 11:16 |
| minute | that's so great! it's one of the main things that i hoped would happen in the context of this device tbh | 11:28 |
| josch | it is absolutely happening -- last year it happened three times that students came to me after class with more questions and to have a closer look at the reform | 11:31 |
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| vkoskiv | Last saturday I decided to go to a local small demoparty of about 30 people. There were a lot of questions from people when they saw my laptop :D | 12:35 |
| vkoskiv | (s/decided/decided last minute) | 12:36 |
| vkoskiv | Oh, the A311D upgrade comes with a new acrylic antenna holder, that's nice | 12:38 |
| vkoskiv | My laird antenna is kind of just floating freely in there | 12:38 |
| vkoskiv | Has the bootloader reconfiguration when switchin imx8 -> A311D been documented anywhere yet? | 12:42 |
| Boostisbetter | minute: one thing that I think is causing a potential issue with resume on the Reform, is the JVM when using LibreOffice. I have noticed that a lot of the times that I have a crash when resuming it was when I had LibreOffice Writer open. | 12:45 |
| Boostisbetter | that said I am currently on the Reform at work, and i have resumed already 4 times today. 100% success. | 12:46 |
| - mjw (QUIT: Ping timeout: 255 seconds) (~mjw@gnu.wildebeest.org) | 12:54 | |
| Boostisbetter | I'm looking for office suites that work without the JVM to kind of test my theory. LibreOffice is a very good office suite so it is going to be difficult. | 12:54 |
| * mark_ -> mjw | 13:00 | |
| Boostisbetter | I am trying Calligra for now. It does seem to be a bit slow with Calligraword on the Reform. | 13:05 |
| josch | vkoskiv: you mean if you wan to port an existing system to a different SoM? | 13:07 |
| vkoskiv | Yeah, I'd like to keep my install if possible | 13:20 |
| josch | vkoskiv: i'm in the same boat a you, just for a different SoM :) | 13:23 |
| josch | vkoskiv: do you also have your / on nvme and /boot on emmc? | 13:23 |
| vkoskiv | Yes. / on encrypted lvm on the nvme, then /boot on emmc | 13:25 |
| josch | okay, same setup over here | 13:26 |
| josch | i shall write down the exact steps once my ls1028a arrives but here is what i plan on doing: | 13:27 |
| josch | boot the system from sd-card, luksOpen my lvm, mount the volume on /mnt | 13:27 |
| josch | then mount /boot from emmc into /mnt/boot, mount /proc and /sys as well | 13:27 |
| josch | edit /mnt/etc/fstab to have the correct entry for /boot | 13:28 |
| josch | either write the correct value for your board into /etc/flash-kernel/machine or just delete the file (it is only useful for switching from single to dual on imx8mq as flash-kernel will otherwise use the value from /proc/device-tree/model) | 13:29 |
| josch | then chroot into /mnt and run update-initramfs -u as well as flash-kernel | 13:29 |
| josch | and in my case: u-boot-update because i use u-boot-menu | 13:29 |
| josch | maybe i forgot a step but i have to try this out | 13:30 |
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| vkoskiv | I'll document my findings as well when I start working on swapping | 14:13 |
| + S0rin (~S0rin@user/s0rin) | 14:15 | |
| [tj] | Boostisbetter: if the jvm is at fault can't you just leave a process running on the jvm idle and see if that triggers the issue? | 14:29 |
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| minute | quick test of an older sata ssd in ls1028a reform yields 375MB/s | 15:15 |
| minute | (read speed) | 15:15 |
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| + sevan (~sevan@user/venture37) | 15:20 | |
| violet | oh cool i got a ups notification, are cm4 adapters shipping or smthng? | 15:25 |
| abortretryfail | Is the pocket reform audio significantly different from the regular reform2? i'm comparing their .dts files trying to understand what's going on | 15:27 |
| abortretryfail | (still trying to track down why recording from the mic gives an io error) | 15:27 |
| minute | violet: yes, rcm4+a311d bundles are shipping | 15:30 |
| minute | violet: didn't get a mail from our shop? | 15:30 |
| minute | abortretryfail: totally different yes. | 15:30 |
| minute | (other ADC/DAC) | 15:30 |
| abortretryfail | The .dts still has mentions of the wm8960 though | 15:31 |
| abortretryfail | i guess tlv320 is the correct one in that case | 15:32 |
| abortretryfail | wait, no it doesn't i had my files mixed up | 15:32 |
| abortretryfail | ugh | 15:32 |
| abortretryfail | everything i'm reading online about this I/O error problem with asoc is if the codec isn't clocked or pins are assigned wrong, but it all looks right | 15:33 |
| minute | abortretryfail: what's going on exactly? audio should just work | 15:33 |
| abortretryfail | playback works great, recording mic audio via pipewire or alsa plughw: records only silence | 15:34 |
| abortretryfail | recording at the native sample rate 48000 or with hw: gives i/o error instead. | 15:34 |
| abortretryfail | i have an example test command just a sec | 15:35 |
| abortretryfail | arecord -D hw:wm8960audio,0 -f S32_LE -c 1 -r 48000 -vvv /dev/null | 15:35 |
| abortretryfail | Sample format doesn't matter, S16_LE and S24_LE also error out | 15:36 |
| abortretryfail | Also conspicous here is that pavucontrol's VU meter for the input device does not appear, even though pw-top shows it trying to record while its open | 15:37 |
| abortretryfail | at this point i wonder if i need to find an old system image with a 5.x kernel and try it on a sd card | 15:39 |
| minute | ok i see | 15:40 |
| abortretryfail | Yours does it too? | 15:40 |
| minute | no, i meant i understand. i can't look into this right now, but one key difference is that we use pipewire nowadays | 15:40 |
| minute | and in the past when i first tested this stuff i used pulseaudio and had to do a hack with a custom pulseaudio profile to make it work | 15:41 |
| abortretryfail | even if i remove pipewire entirely and then reboot it does this | 15:41 |
| minute | because the stack did not like that the input is mono but output is stereo | 15:41 |
| abortretryfail | that arecord command is trying to record straight from the hardware via ALSA, not thru pipewire | 15:41 |
| minute | also IIRC mclk was turned around at some point | 15:42 |
| abortretryfail | that... might be a clue | 15:42 |
| minute | abortretryfail: you turned off pipewire? | 15:42 |
| minute | abortretryfail: otherwise alsa will be emulated by pipewire | 15:42 |
| + wielaard (~mjw@gnu.wildebeest.org) | 15:42 | |
| abortretryfail | yeah i have disabled the device in pavucontrol entirely as well as yesterday i removed the packages pipewire, wireplumber, pipewire-pulse and rebooted, still got the same error when recording | 15:44 |
| violet | minute: oh i did get one yesterday from your shop i guess i missed it | 15:44 |
| violet | but it is there | 15:44 |
| abortretryfail | normally when you disable a device in pavucontrol, you can open it directly with ALSA without pw getting in the way. I use this for ham radio digital modes with my usb codec | 15:44 |
| Boostisbetter | Minute: according to Jeff Geerling the rpi5 can support suspend and WOL. Even possible that it will be there when it starts shipping. | 15:45 |
| minute | Boostisbetter: there's no compute module though, so i can't do anything with it | 15:46 |
| minute | abortretryfail: just saying, you could double check that | 15:47 |
| violet | looking forward to trying to get the quartz64 working when it gets here | 15:47 |
| violet | mainly because, its all efficiency cores, but it also has a gpu supported by panfrost | 15:47 |
| abortretryfail | Yeah i'll switch to pulseaudio and give it a go. Worth a shot | 15:47 |
| minute | abortretryfail: hmm no that's not what i'm suggesting | 15:47 |
| minute | abortretryfail: but sure! | 15:47 |
| Boostisbetter | minute: none that has been announced yet. I think they would be crazy to not have a cm5 module. | 15:47 |
| minute | Boostisbetter: according to my source it will be a longer time till we get that | 15:48 |
| abortretryfail | i misunderstood then. | 15:48 |
| minute | but yeah, looking forward | 15:48 |
| minute | abortretryfail: my suggestion is to make sure that pipewire is absolutely not running | 15:48 |
| abortretryfail | yeah, i did that yesterday. Totally removed it and rebooted so it can't even start on socket activation | 15:49 |
| minute | ok | 15:49 |
| violet | abortretryfail: yeah i also get the IO error running that command | 15:49 |
| violet | arecord: pcm_read:2221: read error: Input/output error | 15:49 |
| abortretryfail | Well, I guess that means it's not my hardware being faulty. :( | 15:50 |
| Boostisbetter | minute: I'm not really worried. I am very happy with my Reform as is. There will be something that comes down the line eventually that gets me excited and wanting to upgrade. But I'm very happy with all of the work you are doing now. Really looking forward to the Pocket. | 15:51 |
| violet | and like you i dont have a VU meter for the device in pavucontrol | 15:51 |
| sevan | I'm trying to disconnect the OLED display from my keyboard, I can't remember if the ribbon just slides into the slot on the keyboard & I just need to slide it out or if it's pinched into place by the connector (latch flips down or slides over) | 15:51 |
| abortretryfail | sevan: the diy assembly guide had some nice pictures | 15:53 |
| minute | sevan: has to be latched | 15:54 |
| sevan | minute: thanks. | 15:55 |
| minute | sevan: latch open/closes by tilting | 15:55 |
| sevan | yep, got it | 15:55 |
| + mtm (~mtm@c-71-228-84-213.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) | 16:09 | |
| josch | minute: i saw your changes to reform-tools. When you want a new version to be built by reform-debian-packages you also should bump the version in debian/changelog. I filed this MR that does that: https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-tools/-/merge_requests/56 | 16:18 |
| josch | otherwise, a package will get uploaded to the repo that has the same version but different content than the version before | 16:18 |
| josch | which will make apt throw nasty error messages because apt assumes that version X of a package never changes its checksum | 16:19 |
| josch | you can create the debian/changelog entry by running "gbp dch && dch -r" | 16:19 |
| josch | that command will use the commit messages of all git commits since the last entry in debian/changelog to create a meaningful list of changes | 16:19 |
| josch | and automatically bump the version of course | 16:19 |
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| + murphnj (~murph@user/murphnj) | 16:55 | |
| - XYZ (QUIT: Ping timeout: 255 seconds) (~XYZ@78-80-98-79.customers.tmcz.cz) | 17:02 | |
| + XYZ (~XYZ@78-80-105-147.customers.tmcz.cz) | 17:15 | |
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| abortretryfail | okay, i removed pipewire and totally neutered pulseaudio. Trying to record directly from alsa still gives me the IO error | 17:23 |
| abortretryfail | Booted rescue on 6.1 and it does it there too. hmm | 17:31 |
| minute | hmm | 17:42 |
| minute | my guess is that the alsa driver somehow doesn't feel like the hw configuration is totally right | 17:42 |
| minute | the wm8960 driver | 17:42 |
| + chomwitt (~chomwitt@2a02:587:7a24:b000:1ac0:4dff:fedb:a3f1) | 17:45 | |
| abortretryfail | Yeah, I'm leaning towards alsa/kernel shenanigans at this point | 17:45 |
| abortretryfail | Trying to track down an old 5.x system image to test. | 17:46 |
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| + eschaton (~eschaton@li541-49.members.linode.com) | 18:07 | |
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| Boostisbetter | josch: can you link the 5.12 kernel that you made for me? | 18:18 |
| + XYZ (~XYZ@78-80-122-253.customers.tmcz.cz) | 18:21 | |
| Boostisbetter | Although, honestly suspend performance under 6.5 has been the best, because with it everything else behaves properly. On 5.12, for example, battery stats will not show in swaybar. | 18:24 |
| - stites (QUIT: Read error: Connection reset by peer) (~stites@155.33.133.38) | 18:29 | |
| abortretryfail | I keep getting 404s from Gitlab on old jobs. hmm | 18:29 |
| + stites (~stites@155.33.133.38) | 18:31 | |
| + vagrantc (~vagrant@2600:3c01:e000:21:7:77:0:20) | 18:34 | |
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| abortretryfail | I'm just gonna try and build one. | 18:34 |
| + bkeys (~Thunderbi@199.226-24.cm.ptn.tftn.dynamic.friendlycity.net) | 18:34 | |
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| + wielaard (~mjw@gnu.wildebeest.org) | 18:56 | |
| josch | abortretryfail: after the gitlab was moved to a new server, lots of stuff became 404 and had to be rebuilt | 19:35 |
| josch | Boostisbetter: same link as last time: https://mntre.com/reform-irc-logs/2023-05-01.log.html#t15:37:34 | 19:37 |
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| * wielaard -> mjw | 20:43 | |
| + mark_ (~mjw@2001:1c06:2488:1400:4fd:39a7:74ac:7bae) | 20:43 | |
| abortretryfail | Trying to build from teh sysimage-v2 tag failed locally anyway. heh | 21:00 |
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| + bkeys (~Thunderbi@199.226-24.cm.ptn.tftn.dynamic.friendlycity.net) | 21:25 | |
| vkoskiv | Does there exist a tool that will tell me what dependencies my project has if I just point it at the final binary? | 21:38 |
| vkoskiv | That file should contain the dynamic libs it wants, so it should be enough to find the dependencies. | 21:38 |
| vkoskiv | It's just a big pain to go through them and then figure out what the name of the actual development package is on a given distro | 21:39 |
| + jacobk (~quassel@utdpat242016.utdallas.edu) | 21:39 | |
| - bkeys (QUIT: Quit: With every step we take, danger will follow closely) (~Thunderbi@199.226-24.cm.ptn.tftn.dynamic.friendlycity.net) | 21:44 | |
| abortretryfail | vkoskiv: Alpine's apk does that. | 22:00 |
| vkoskiv | I'm running debian, though. | 22:00 |
| abortretryfail | Instead of specifying deps like whatever-package-version-x it gives the SO name | 22:00 |
| abortretryfail | yeah idk. :) | 22:01 |
| minute | vkoskiv: ldd? | 22:01 |
| vkoskiv | close! But the package name can still be any number of 17 random permutations of the name of the .so, depending on the flavor of linux | 22:02 |
| abortretryfail | dpkg-query each of the files ldd outputs? | 22:02 |
| vkoskiv | Debian is very consistent. lib<thing>-dev | 22:02 |
| minute | you can feed the library names to apt-file search | 22:02 |
| vkoskiv | Aah, good point. | 22:03 |
| minute | if there's a debian package and you want to know build deps, apt build-dep also helps | 22:03 |
| abortretryfail | debhelper has this dh_shlibdeps thing, I wonder if that will do what you want? | 22:08 |
| vkoskiv | Okay, this is what I came up with: | 22:08 |
| vkoskiv | for so in $(ldd path_to_bin | cut --delimiter=" " -f 1 | awk '{$1=$1;print}'); do dpkg -S $so 2>/dev/null | | 22:08 |
| vkoskiv | cut --delimiter=" " -f 1 | sed 's/.$//'; done | sort | uniq | 22:08 |
| vkoskiv | Cursed, and slow, but it gives me the info I want :D | 22:08 |
| vkoskiv | I both hate and love how fast I've become at building these shell monstrosities | 22:09 |
| vkoskiv | abortretryfail: I just have a binary I compiled, and I want to figure out which dependencies I'm using don't come with SysV4 by default | 22:10 |
| abortretryfail | Yeah, i think I understand | 22:11 |
| vkoskiv | I assume that's what the 'automatic' means when I list a thing in APT | 22:11 |
| abortretryfail | I tried something similar to your shell oneliner like: ldd `which sway` | xargs dpkg-query -S | 22:12 |
| abortretryfail | but it didn't work very well lol | 22:12 |
| minute | vkoskiv: the unix way! | 22:12 |
| abortretryfail | ACTION is a refugee from Slackware and Arch and thinks Debian's packaging is hilariously complex | 22:12 |
| vkoskiv | Complex maybe, and much slower than pacman on arch, but damn reliable! | 22:12 |
| vkoskiv | Even debian "unstable" is quite stable, IMO. | 22:13 |
| vkoskiv | Debian people are meticulous, and it shows. | 22:13 |
| abortretryfail | eeeeh... pysolfc doesn't work because they don't ship deps it needs. :) | 22:13 |
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| abortretryfail | josch: thanks for the link i'll try this 5.12 kernel and see if sound still worked there. | 22:21 |
| abortretryfail | Or more likely I'll just break my laptop and spend the rest of the afternoon getting it to boot again. | 22:22 |
| + bkeys (~Thunderbi@199.226-24.cm.ptn.tftn.dynamic.friendlycity.net) | 22:32 | |
| bkeys | minute: (the tracking says that you got my keyboard yesterday) I wanted to give you a pointer perhaps, maybe it could be a really fast repair. Before the keyboard had issues I noticed sometimes the switch for the circle button would be a bit "sticky", so it is possible (probable?) that the single switch is the issue. I think thats something to take note of when you find the time to dig into it | 22:34 |
| jfred | Hmm has anyone successfully run FreeCAD on the Reform? I get a GL error when trying to open a new project: https://bpa.st/HZSA | 22:37 |
| abortretryfail | josch: silly q: do you remember what the purpose of this change was? | 22:37 |
| abortretryfail | https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-debian-packages/-/commit/af47701128d6808e4581fa8f4ebe3990a345f928?view=inline | 22:37 |
| abortretryfail | If I'm reading the fsl-sai docs right, this sai-asynchronous mode means the wm8960 is expected to use its own clock for recording, but it doesn't have one... it gets clocks from the imx8 | 22:40 |
| abortretryfail | i need to figure out how to change this and test it | 22:40 |
| jfred | (Oh, FreeCAD is preinstalled, so I assume it's been used before haha. Wonder why I'm having issues...) | 22:46 |
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| + marty_mcfly88 (~marty@2603-6000-8c01-0f3e-2814-d22f-cf11-4056.res6.spectrum.com) | 23:02 | |
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| minute | jfred: known issue with freecad on wayland i think, the error message at the end tells you what to do! | 23:35 |
| jfred | ...oh, indeed it does, whoops ^^; | 23:41 |
| minute | bkeys: what you experienced is just the cap getting stuck on the hinge | 23:44 |
| minute | bkeys: what helps is making sure to mount the keyboard while pulling it towards you | 23:44 |
| bkeys | Ah, okay then | 23:44 |
| minute | bkeys: and yes, got your keeg | 23:44 |
| minute | keeb | 23:45 |
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