| Ar|stote|is | what transfer speeds should we expect from pocket reform? is there a way to use an eGPU with it? like the second pcie on the bigger brother? | 00:07 |
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| Ar|stote|is | any news regarding ordering from the website? | 00:08 |
| minute | Ar|stote|is: no eGPU with imx8mplus. do you mean wifi or ethernet transfer speeds? ethernet is 1gbps. | 00:15 |
| minute | Ar|stote|is: we won't be able to sell pocket reform for quite some time into 2024. | 00:15 |
| Ar|stote|is | for the nvme ssd | 00:15 |
| minute | Ar|stote|is: on our own website i mean | 00:15 |
| minute | Ar|stote|is: still need to do some benchmarks with the nvme | 00:16 |
| Ar|stote|is | what version of pcie we have and how many lanes? | 00:16 |
| minute | 1 lane, 3.0 | 00:17 |
| minute | https://www.nxp.com/products/processors-and-microcontrollers/arm-processors/i-mx-applications-processors/i-mx-8-applications-processors/i-mx-8m-plus-arm-cortex-a53-machine-learning-vision-multimedia-and-industrial-iot:IMX8MPLUS | 00:17 |
| Ar|stote|is | by the way, can we use another wwan card that supports voice so that we can use the pocket reform to make actual phone calls instead of just using voip through data? | 00:23 |
| minute | Ar|stote|is: i have connected up the voice i2s lines in the latest motherboard revision that i'm finishing r/n, but we'll have to have a bit of luck with having that actually work. | 00:25 |
| Ar|stote|is | good to know, maybe i'll skip waiting and order it through CS... | 00:26 |
| minute | Ar|stote|is: i recommend it, they will have a lot of stock from us. | 00:26 |
| Ar|stote|is | my thinking was to avoid customs and maybe use more customization options like other switches or wwan modems and laser engravings from the initial purchase and probably for mnt to get a bigger cut of the amount paid. i guess CS has a decent comission. | 00:29 |
| minute | Ar|stote|is: there won't be customs i think, but import VAT, i think you prepay that on checkout. the wwan modem is an addon, so you can buy that separately anyway. CS does have a decent commission, that is true ^^ | 00:32 |
| minute | but it's also good for us if people order from CS, because then CS has more incentive to restock | 00:32 |
| minute | so, anything is fine for us | 00:32 |
| abortretryfail | I can't get the protected battery boards from CS though. :) | 00:43 |
| minute | abortretryfail: yeah, but the above was mainly about pocket reform. | 00:52 |
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| abortretryfail | sigrid: youre not kidding the wm8960 is kind of fun. There are cool features on this chip. I like the zero crossing thing for clean volume changes. It's a nice touch. | 01:23 |
| sigrid | yep, that's the one I used in the driver for 9front. also added a control for "3d" effect just for fun :) | 01:24 |
| sigrid | it's also funny that the sound can be played in both headphones and speakers at the same time | 01:25 |
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| henesy | is wake from suspend working in a newer LPC version? wondering if i'm just overdue to update my LPC or smth as i can invoke suspend, but the system never wakes back up when i use the circle wake menu | 09:05 |
| henesy | i also might be on an older image of the debian image | 09:06 |
| henesy | s/older image/older version/ | 09:06 |
| josch | henesy: reports indicate that resume is quite reliable with 6.5 | 09:07 |
| henesy | kernel version? | 09:07 |
| josch | henesy: especially Boostisbetter reported dozens of successful resumes | 09:07 |
| josch | henesy: yes 6.5 linux kernel version | 09:07 |
| henesy | ah ok i'm on 6.1 | 09:07 |
| Boostisbetter | I'll caveat that by saying I am still on an old version of the LPC firmware though. I need to really update that thing, but haven't gotten around to it yet. (can't be bothered. It seems to work for me. I have one issue where sometimes the LPC can get stuck and the screen just stays on. I have to remove the batteries for that to get resolved. But that is it, and I know the trigger.) | 09:09 |
| henesy | gotcha | 09:09 |
| henesy | well i'll try 6.5 and see where that gets me | 09:09 |
| henesy | im also on an older LPC version | 09:09 |
| henesy | haven't been motivated to flash a newer one on | 09:10 |
| henesy | working suspend would probably get me moving on that | 09:10 |
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| Boostisbetter | it has worked very well for me. 6.4 was doing ok as well. | 09:20 |
| Boostisbetter | There are occasional times where the nvme wont come back up, but they are far and few between in my case. I went 52 times with successful suspends and resumes before i got that crash. | 09:21 |
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| abortretryfail | Suspend works okay for me on 6.5. I had sound not work once. No issues with NVMe. Gotta remember to press circle+space and not circle+1 to try and wake the machine... | 15:23 |
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| josch | abortretryfail: that problem is fixed with more recent firmware versions | 15:50 |
| abortretryfail | keyboard firmware? | 15:50 |
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| vkoskiv | abortretryfail: I would assume yes, that command is handled in the keyboard firmware | 16:06 |
| abortretryfail | I thought i was running the latest one. I'll double-check | 16:07 |
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| abortretryfail | circle+s says 20230703 | 16:08 |
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| abortretryfail | lol, now that I go to test it again, suspend doesn't want to work. | 16:10 |
| abortretryfail | ACTION has to go to work and will mess with this later. | 16:10 |
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| vkoskiv | I replaced usleep() with clock_nanosleep() which tells me if it was interrupted, that might have solved the EPIPE issue when writing to the keyboard | 16:31 |
| vkoskiv | I observed with strace that the failure seems to come when I hit ^C exatly when it's sleeping. That signal interrupts the sleep, and then somehow makes it unhappy for reasons I don't fully understand. | 16:32 |
| vkoskiv | The following fwrite() fails with -1, which happens to be the same error number that usleep() returns if it was interrupted? Not sure why those affect each other | 16:32 |
| vkoskiv | But this seems to resolve it. | 16:32 |
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| vkoskiv | Things are getting serious, I'm linking dbus in | 17:15 |
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| vkoskiv | Everything about D-Bus seems... Very built :D | 18:10 |
| vkoskiv | They straight up tell you to not use the C api and just recommend using some extra wrapper library to use it | 18:10 |
| vkoskiv | Dependencies, dependencies. | 18:10 |
| josch | https://turnoff.us/geek/npm-install/ | 18:12 |
| vkoskiv | I'm pretty sure I can just write a few lines of C to get at this property, but they sure don't make it easy to find out how | 18:13 |
| vkoskiv | Docs don't make it clear if properties need a different type of message, so I'll just go with the method call one | 18:16 |
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| minute | vkoskiv: hehe | 18:21 |
| vkoskiv | It's cool and all, but just... A lot. | 18:22 |
| vkoskiv | I think I'll get this sorted | 18:22 |
| minute | vkoskiv: curious about what you're building :3 | 18:23 |
| vkoskiv | Hmm, maybe I could tease it a bit | 18:23 |
| vkoskiv | https://share.icloud.com/photos/098KaAxC5Bi0b57L9CIu7R3gg | 18:28 |
| vkoskiv | A lot more to it, but that's all you get to see for now | 18:29 |
| vkoskiv | :D | 18:29 |
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| henesy | Boostisbetter: hmmm on 6.5, but wake did not work for me | 18:34 |
| henesy | guess i'll update my lpc | 18:34 |
| henesy | is the usual flow systemctl suspend and then circle button wake | 18:34 |
| Boostisbetter | Yeah I have my suspend set to a keyboard combo, and then the lpc wake method. | 18:42 |
| Boostisbetter | But when did you get your Reform? | 18:42 |
| Boostisbetter | I got mine beginning of 2022 I think. | 18:42 |
| vkoskiv | The errors are really nice in dbus! | 18:52 |
| vkoskiv | Aaah, I need to just call the Properties.Get method with args, okay | 18:58 |
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| henesy | Boostisbetter: hmmm i think early 2022 as well, crowdsupply US | 19:25 |
| Boostisbetter | henesy, what NVME do you have in your Reform. Is it from MNT? | 19:28 |
| henesy | no the one from crowdsupply cooked itself in the first week of use | 19:28 |
| henesy | mine is from uh a friend at a conference, i'd have to check the model rq | 19:29 |
| henesy | micron crucial p3 | 19:29 |
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| noam | This is probably a silly question but: anyone in the US capable and willing to repair a Reform on commission? Not sure where else to ask | 19:55 |
| minute | noam: does it have to be in the US? we can also offer repair | 20:08 |
| noam | minute: I don't really want to ship to Germany and back when it should be such a minor repair :/ | 20:08 |
| minute | noam: what's the repair? | 20:09 |
| noam | minute: Not 100% sure. The battery / charging circuitry is all fine; the system controller is fine, and reports 0A consumption while off; I can turn it on and off through the keyboard and the OLED works. If I turn it on, the 3V3 line lights up, but the 5V LED is off, and the power consumption goes up to >0.8A (at >26V!) | 20:10 |
| noam | One of the screws holding the trackball in place popped out while it was on and I think it fried either a trace in the PCB, or one of the SMDs / caps | 20:11 |
| minute | noam: that's not necessarily a minor repair | 20:11 |
| noam | :( | 20:12 |
| minute | noam: i suggest mailing the board to us and i can take a look... we can make you a UPS label which might be cheaper than making it yourself | 20:14 |
| noam | minute: does the warranty apply to Reforms obtained through CrowdSupply? | 20:14 |
| noam | and... hypothetically, is there a way to just obtain a new mobo, or... hm, I assume you stock those under the assumption that they'll all be bought with a full Reform? :/ | 20:15 |
| minute | noam: yes, we'll stock a few motherboards. this might be a good option also | 20:15 |
| vkoskiv | Aaand success. Talking to UPower via dbus 8) | 20:17 |
| vkoskiv | It only took a tiny 87 lines of C. And I'm pretty sure I can clean this up to be smaller. | 20:17 |
| noam | minute: how much would just-the-motherboard end up being? and... would I be able to send in the old one for repair under the warranty and keep it as a spare afterwards, too? :) | 20:17 |
| vkoskiv | Bindings? Wrappers? Nonsense. | 20:18 |
| minute | i need to calculate how much we actually spent on the motherboards now | 20:18 |
| minute | but i'm struggling since hours on ethernet @ a311d | 20:18 |
| noam | Not super duper urgent or anything, don't let me distract you; I've mostly just fallen back to pen+paper for now anyways P | 20:18 |
| noam | s/P/:&/ | 20:19 |
| noam | It only really interferes with me doing personal software work for a few weeks until I stop back at my residence and pick up the Thinkpad :P | 20:19 |
| josch | noam: so you use pen&paper to draw a turing machine tape? ;) | 20:19 |
| minute | noam: my gut feeling is that the mobo will be like 250 euro | 20:20 |
| noam | josch: Nah, I've been mostly using the Reform as a journal + planner tbh | 20:20 |
| josch | :) | 20:20 |
| noam | and tbh I"ve been leaning away from general-purpose computers as a whole | 20:21 |
| josch | minute: if you sell those, i'd also not mind spending my money on repaired mainboard 2.0 (like the broken one from noam) instead of brand-new 2.5 | 20:21 |
| noam | There's a new mainboard? :) | 20:21 |
| minute | yeah mb 2.5 | 20:21 |
| noam | Is this listed on the site somewhere? | 20:21 |
| josch | not yet | 20:22 |
| minute | it has a few fixes and some differences working around the chip crisis/unobtainable components | 20:22 |
| noam | s/.*/Where was this mentioned?/ Sorry, wrong question >_> | 20:22 |
| minute | not listed yet | 20:22 |
| minute | we did send out 28 reforms to CS last week containing it though | 20:22 |
| noam | Oh, and: just a suggestion to maaaaybe make the threads a bit stronger on future revisions of the hardware? :) | 20:22 |
| noam | I saw other people mention they had the same issue with screws popping out on the forum :/ | 20:23 |
| Boostisbetter | henesy: ok, I think that could be the cause. | 20:23 |
| josch | i also had that problem but it's a DIY reform, so loctite fixed it | 20:23 |
| noam | This is also the second time it happened to me :/ First time it happened, it shorted the _battery cells_, and I didn't have a protected board yet | 20:23 |
| Boostisbetter | I have a transcend 1tb nvme from MNT. | 20:23 |
| noam | josch: I received that suggestion a little bit too late :( | 20:24 |
| josch | i was super lucky when it happened to me | 20:24 |
| josch | i heard the screw rolling around on the bottom acrylic *before* changing its orientation | 20:24 |
| noam | For me, there was no before :/ | 20:24 |
| noam | I'm pretty sure it popped out when I closed the lid a bit too forcefully | 20:25 |
| noam | and _immediately_ fried something | 20:25 |
| Boostisbetter | I guess I have just been really lucky. The only issue I had with my reform was the speaker cable on the left speaker backing out. Had to adjust it and resolder it to the speaker. Other than that the Reform has been going super strong. | 20:26 |
| Boostisbetter | But I really can't wait for the Pocket. I think the power envelope the Reform offers just fits REALLY well with that form factor and size. | 20:26 |
| minute | noam: i can take a look at the board and tell you how involved the repair would be, if it's just something small i can do it for free | 20:26 |
| noam | minute: How much is UPS shipping, generally? :/ | 20:27 |
| minute | noam: i think via us it's like 40 eur | 20:27 |
| minute | noam: label purchased by us i mean | 20:27 |
| minute | (one way) | 20:27 |
| noam | oh lol, I thought you meant by - heh | 20:28 |
| noam | minute: so I'd pay you, you'd send me label, I'd drop off at UPS? :) | 20:28 |
| minute | noam: we first send you the label. then you drop it off. i inspect it, and give you an assessment of the problem and potential cost | 20:29 |
| noam | Gotcha, okay - I wish there was a way to do this locally (or that I knew how to do it myself :/), but that's probably the realistic option :/ | 20:30 |
| minute | so far no one appeared in the US that could do this kind of debugging+repair unfortunately | 20:31 |
| noam | minute: silly question, but you're probably not willing to take a commission to, like, hop on a video call and guide me through the inspection / repair or something, right? | 20:31 |
| minute | noam: nope, i'm sorry. i can barely get my tasks done | 20:31 |
| noam | no worries, was just a silly idea | 20:31 |
| noam | Any suggestions on reading material to learn enough to become capable of this myself in the future? :) | 20:32 |
| minute | "the art of electronics" maybe? :D | 20:32 |
| noam | Thanks! I'll stop by a local bookstore and see if I can find a copy :) | 20:34 |
| noam | minute: Yeah, if you can send me a shipping label I'm willing to ship it :/ Mainboard w/ SoC module included, or just the mainboard? | 20:38 |
| minute | noam: if you remove the soc and turn it on, do you get 5v on 5v rail or no? | 20:48 |
| minute | noam: also, to get the label, just send a quick note to support@mntre.com and mention this chat | 20:48 |
| sigrid | which are those screws that popped out? | 20:51 |
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