| + mjw (~mjw@193.115.216.78) | 00:11 | |
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| + jacobk (~quassel@utdpat241106.utdallas.edu) | 02:20 | |
| abortretryfail | okay the reliable suspend/resume in 6.5 is pretty sick. :) | 02:56 |
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| + mtm (~mtm@c-71-228-84-213.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) | 04:09 | |
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| + jacobk (~quassel@64.189.201.150) | 06:03 | |
| chartreuse | Oh it's working now? I need to try repairing mine again, just got distracted with other stuff and haven't touched it | 06:36 |
| - XYZ (QUIT: Ping timeout: 258 seconds) (~XYZ@89-24-41-118.nat.epc.tmcz.cz) | 06:41 | |
| Boostisbetter | chartreuse: it was working since 5.12, just not reliably. Now though on 6.5 it seems to be working really well, and without any of the previous shenanigans to get it working necessary. | 08:11 |
| + XYZ (~XYZ@37-48-57-33.nat.epc.tmcz.cz) | 09:34 | |
| - XYZ (QUIT: Ping timeout: 246 seconds) (~XYZ@37-48-57-33.nat.epc.tmcz.cz) | 09:39 | |
| Boostisbetter | I made a poll on the forums to discuss the effectiveness of the 6.5 kernel and standby: https://community.mnt.re/t/reform-6-5-kernel-and-standby-poll/1665 | 09:40 |
| + XYZ (~XYZ@37-48-11-129.nat.epc.tmcz.cz) | 09:46 | |
| - klardotsh (QUIT: Ping timeout: 252 seconds) (~klardotsh@c-67-170-115-80.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) | 10:12 | |
| josch | Boostisbetter: the question leaves open what "reliable" actually means. You could've asked: out of 10 suspends, the following number of resumes succeed a) 0 resumes (always fail) b) 1-9 resumes (sometimes fail) c) 10 resumes (never fail) | 10:20 |
| josch | or: when failing to resume from suspend with 6.5, the reason is a) nvme doesn't come back up b) display doesn't come back up c) ... | 10:21 |
| Boostisbetter | I guess I am hoping that people will expound on what it means for them. Kind of like how I mentioned how many times I have successfully resumed. | 10:38 |
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| + chartreuse (~chartreus@S0106908d78501d1d.cg.shawcable.net) | 11:45 | |
| + mjw (~mjw@195.89.33.213) | 12:03 | |
| + colinsane (~colinunin@97-113-128-229.tukw.qwest.net) | 13:11 | |
| - mjw (QUIT: Ping timeout: 252 seconds) (~mjw@195.89.33.213) | 13:53 | |
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| - mtm (QUIT: Ping timeout: 240 seconds) (~mtm@c-71-228-84-213.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) | 14:03 | |
| Boostisbetter | Anyone else not able to open gnome settings anymore? | 14:20 |
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| + vkoskiv (~vkoskiv@85-23-188-148.bb.dnainternet.fi) | 14:39 | |
| + jacobk (~quassel@2603-8080-b200-7b02-0000-0000-0000-0b71.res6.spectrum.com) | 15:13 | |
| Boostisbetter | minute: with suspend fixed in 6.5, it feels like the Reform is now perfectly running for me. I mean I loved it before, but now I really heart this thing. | 15:21 |
| Boostisbetter | minute: I really can't wait for the Pocket. I have already so many use cases for it, and I almost feel bad for the Reform, as I'm going to be using the Pocket so much. | 15:22 |
| + mjw (~mjw@195.89.33.213) | 15:28 | |
| - mjw (QUIT: Ping timeout: 240 seconds) (~mjw@195.89.33.213) | 15:33 | |
| minute | Boostisbetter: awesome!! | 15:42 |
| + mtm (~mtm@c-71-228-84-213.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) | 16:09 | |
| josch | Boostisbetter: one downside is still that power usage is only halfed during suspend, no? | 16:19 |
| josch | Boostisbetter: if you tell me what to run to open gnome settings i can test this locally as well | 16:19 |
| Boostisbetter | josch: all you do is type settings, and in the launcher it will show up as settings. | 16:41 |
| Boostisbetter | josch: yes, power is halved, but when trying to conserve juice and the current desktop state this is a good thing. I'm sure with more tuning we could do things like disable power to ports, etc. | 16:41 |
| Boostisbetter | But for now this is already good enough for me. | 16:42 |
| minute | gnome settings is "gnome-control-center" | 16:52 |
| minute | (no longer shipped with system v4) | 16:53 |
| josch | Boostisbetter: what shows up in "settings" in my launcher is the waydroid launcher which starts up successfully as expected: https://mister-muffin.de/p/DnvV.png | 16:54 |
| Boostisbetter | minute: this would explain why it no longer works. Is there a problem if I download it again? | 17:07 |
| Boostisbetter | josch: since when was waydroid included in the system image? | 17:08 |
| Boostisbetter | That is for running android in a VM? | 17:08 |
| minute | Boostisbetter: hmm, it's not gonna be removed if you have not installed v4 from scratch | 17:08 |
| Boostisbetter | Kind of makes sense on the pocket, especially if the screen is touch enabled. | 17:08 |
| minute | waydroid is not shipped by default. | 17:09 |
| minute | Boostisbetter: installing gnome-control-center should not be a problem. | 17:09 |
| Boostisbetter | minute: ahh, the issue is that gnome-control-center now recognizes that you are not trying to run it under Gnome and exits. | 17:12 |
| minute | Boostisbetter: ugh. what does it say? | 17:13 |
| minute | Boostisbetter: which part of gnome-control-center do you need? | 17:13 |
| Boostisbetter | minute: Running gnome-control-center is only supported under GNOME and Unity, exiting | 17:14 |
| Boostisbetter | minute: none in particular, I just like using it for various things. I don't specifically need it. Just noticing that it is no longer working. | 17:14 |
| minute | ok. | 17:14 |
| minute | in the v4 wayfire/sway desktops, i ship and autostart: nm-applet --indicator, blueman-applet (only relevant if you have bluetooth) and pasystray | 17:15 |
| minute | josch: i was thinking that it might be nice to have a script to pull in the current config defaults from /etc/skel, but it would need to ask for confirmation for files to overwrite i think | 17:16 |
| minute | i mean /etc/skel/.config | 17:17 |
| Boostisbetter | minute: the wifi adapter that you sell with the Reform does not do bluetooth right? | 17:17 |
| minute | Boostisbetter: correct. but the a311d module has bt/wifi on board | 17:17 |
| Boostisbetter | which is relevant to the Pocket as that is the default it comes with right? | 17:17 |
| minute | the pocket comes with an imx8mplus module, but that also has bt/wifi included | 17:18 |
| Boostisbetter | minute: ahh ok, but we are still getting a PCIe exposed for NVME right? That NVME makes a huge difference. | 17:19 |
| minute | yes | 17:24 |
| minute | and a usb-on-m.2 slot for cell modem | 17:24 |
| + chomwitt (~chomwitt@2a02:587:7a2f:d000:1ac0:4dff:fedb:a3f1) | 17:25 | |
| Boostisbetter | Very nice v | 17:30 |
| Boostisbetter | Very nice! | 17:30 |
| + MajorBiscuit (~MajorBisc@2001:1c00:31c:8400:3d3d:8874:417f:fbf3) | 17:35 | |
| - MajorBiscuit (QUIT: Client Quit) (~MajorBisc@2001:1c00:31c:8400:3d3d:8874:417f:fbf3) | 17:35 | |
| + Ar|stote|is (~linx@5.203.129.124) | 17:50 | |
| Ar|stote|is | after some problems with my home server, I hope everything will be alright for the foreseeable future. | 18:04 |
| Ar|stote|is | minute: any news on when will we be able to (pre)order pocket reforms from your website? | 18:04 |
| josch | Boostisbetter: try to run gnome-control-center with XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=GNOME in your environment | 19:52 |
| josch | this should work if i read https://sources.debian.org/src/gnome-control-center/1:45.0-1/shell/main.c/?hl=81#L81 correctly | 19:52 |
| josch | minute: currently, the reform-check utility shows differences between the local /etc/skell and the one shipped by reform-tools. | 19:53 |
| josch | minute: do you think there is many people who'd like to throw away their custom sway or waybar config for the defaults? | 19:54 |
| josch | i cannot imagine an easy mechanism to auto-merge, respecting custom changes | 19:54 |
| - jacobk (QUIT: Ping timeout: 248 seconds) (~quassel@2603-8080-b200-7b02-0000-0000-0000-0b71.res6.spectrum.com) | 20:02 | |
| + klardotsh (~klardotsh@c-67-170-115-80.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) | 20:16 | |
| noam | Whelp | 21:51 |
| noam | Hypothetically | 21:51 |
| noam | If the 5V line no longer turns on, and attempting to boot my Reform results in >15W of power consumption reported by the LPC, that's bad isn't it. | 21:51 |
| abortretryfail | could be a short | 21:51 |
| noam | The battery is fine | 21:51 |
| noam | 0A of consumption if I shut it off, and it's been in this state for two days, so that's not a misreport either | 21:52 |
| abortretryfail | right, but if something is short-circuiting the 5v line, it will read close to 0v | 21:52 |
| noam | I think there's a - yeah | 21:52 |
| noam | Er | 21:52 |
| abortretryfail | well, unless the regulator is smart enough to shut off or a fuse blows. I haven't studied the schematic that closely. | 21:52 |
| noam | I think there's a short by the 5V line which is why it burns through power when attempting to turn on, but is totally fine when it's off | 21:52 |
| abortretryfail | iirc there was a fuse on the DC jack and another on the battery + | 21:53 |
| noam | I have a multimeter on me, and a screwdriver, at least, so I might be able to trace the issue at least | 21:53 |
| noam | ...with extreme caution | 21:53 |
| abortretryfail | should be easy to find by temperature, tbh. Any little SMD part sinking 15W of power is going to get quite warm | 21:53 |
| noam | I'm fairly sure the root cause is that a one of the trackball screws popped out and smacked something while it was on. | 21:53 |
| noam | So it's possible it _fried_ one of the wires, too. | 21:53 |
| abortretryfail | oof | 21:53 |
| noam | yeeeeep | 21:54 |
| noam | ACTION grabs screwdriver | 21:54 |
| abortretryfail | ACTION needs to remember to buy a tube of blue loctite for the reform's internal screws | 21:54 |
| noam | loctite? | 21:54 |
| noam | ah | 21:54 |
| abortretryfail | It's like a weak glue used to keep screw threads from working loose. | 21:54 |
| abortretryfail | There's a few types, the one you *don't* want is the kind that requires heat to break loose. | 21:55 |
| noam | I also wonder how much it'd cost to commission e.g. a local machining shop to cut up some aluminum to replace the acrylic on the outside | 21:55 |
| abortretryfail | But then where would the wifi signals go to escape? | 21:55 |
| noam | ? | 21:55 |
| noam | What wifi signals? | 21:56 |
| abortretryfail | your reform has no wifi? | 21:56 |
| noam | correct ;) | 21:56 |
| abortretryfail | by all means seal it up then. :) | 21:56 |
| noam | Wait is _that_ why it uses acrylic on the sides and bottom?? | 21:56 |
| abortretryfail | seems like one good reason, tbh. | 21:56 |
| noam | would that actually _work_? /me is not a radio engineer :P | 21:56 |
| abortretryfail | I was toying with the idea of consulting with some nerds at the local amateur radio club to design a dual band slot antenna that could be cut into the metal of the display cover | 21:57 |
| abortretryfail | probably too fiddly to tune for it to be worthwhile for MNT to ship them like that, but for a one-off maybe... | 21:57 |
| noam | Also: screws popping off is _probably_ a sign that I screwed up (heh) while building the Reform, isn't it. | 21:57 |
| abortretryfail | eh, i don't recall the instructions giving torque specs or saying to use loctite. I had the same thing happen but I was lucky enough to catch it before it shorted something out. | 21:58 |
| noam | I'm not really sure what to do here :/ | 22:07 |
| noam | ...oh. Actually. I just need to find a good picture of what it's _supposed_ to look like; one of the resistors looks melted. | 22:09 |
| noam | I _suspect_ it's not supposed to :P | 22:09 |
| + jacobk (~quassel@129.110.242.224) | 22:10 | |
| noam | Where can I find high-res pictures of the bottom? :P | 22:10 |
| noam | Schematic should work, actually, lemme just find that | 22:18 |
| noam | Whoa! > 40V MAX! +/- 15A MAX! | 22:22 |
| noam | The power circuitry can handle 600W?! | 22:22 |
| noam | Now _that_'s impressive tolerances for a laptop lol | 22:22 |
| noam | Looking at the schematic, I don't think this is the issue :/ | 22:36 |
| noam | fuuuuuuuudge. | 22:37 |
| noam | I guess now's the best time to learn how to fix this. Optimism! | 22:45 |
| - Ar|stote|is (QUIT: Read error: Connection reset by peer) (~linx@5.203.129.124) | 22:55 | |
| + Ar|stote|is (~linx@5.203.129.124) | 22:56 | |
| abortretryfail | noam: no, that's just maxiumums of either, not both at once lol | 23:03 |
| abortretryfail | Though, the Reform is a bit of a current fiend. Mine with a 20V USB-C trigger cable will handily put a 45W or 60W USB-PD charger into overload. | 23:05 |
| noam | Ahh | 23:07 |
| noam | That makes a tad more sense lol | 23:07 |
| noam | also, hmmmm | 23:07 |
| noam | I'm going to have to go over the schematics, understand them, follow the path the power should be taking, _and_ have a steady enough hand to measure what's going on _while the thing is live_ for | 23:08 |
| noam | s/for// | 23:08 |
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