2023-09-04.log

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minutejosch: i want to ship a custom build of wayfire, and a forked plugin for it (firedecor), and possibly a custom build of waybar (but will double check if necessary). so my guess is i'll have to do this in reform-debian-packages repo. but the difference is that it is not just a patch of an existing debian package, but also a newer version from the git repo. do you have a recipe for doing this in13:49
minutea clean way?13:49
joschis the newer version already tagged and released?13:56
joschbecause then the "clean" way would be to upload that into Debian unstable first13:56
joschhrm... 0.9.22 seems to be the newest version of waybar and is also in unstable13:57
joschwayfire 0.7.5 also seems to be the latest version13:58
joschminute: can you clarify the situation?13:59
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minutejosch: for wayfire i likely need an old version, but lets see14:00
minutejosch: sorry, for waybar14:00
minutejosch: for wayfire i'll need a new version from git14:00
joschbut there was no release of wayfire yet14:00
joschso you want to build git HEAD?14:00
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joschusing an older version of waybar can be problematic because a) different waybar versions require incompatible configurations as they support different things (i had my waybar config break twice in the past after upgrades) and if you go that route you will always be stuck on that old version that you cannot upgrade, no?14:04
minutejosch: yeah, i would also prefer a newer version, lets see if i can work with that14:11
joschfor wayfire, the "clean" solution would be to ask its developers to make a new release14:13
joschif you are okay with a not-clean solution, the build-custom script in reform-debian-packages allows you to essentially go wild and build anything you want14:13
minutejosch: ok, thx14:20
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joschminute: there will soon be libvulkan_panfrost in mesa shipped by Debian: https://salsa.debian.org/xorg-team/lib/mesa/-/merge_requests/2815:55
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minutejosch: oh, great16:13
- jacobk (QUIT: Ping timeout: 258 seconds) (~quassel@129.110.242.224)16:41
unixpoetjosch: you may not be the best person to ask, and I apologize if so, but I'm wondering if you have any guidance for helping out with a package that's been out of date for a while where the maintainer hasn't responded?16:46
unixpoetif there's an official policy I can read, I'd love to know, I tried finding info about this and my web searches didn't reveal anything relevant16:46
BoostisbetterIs anyone running i3 through Xorg on the Reform?16:47
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minuteBoostisbetter: why should one if there's sway?16:54
+ bkeys (~bkeys@static-198-54-130-101.cust.tzulo.com)16:58
bkeysHi all, is this the most up-to-date way of getting the battery status on Linux?16:58
bkeyshttps://community.mnt.re/t/lpc-spi-firmware-and-driver-prototype/103016:58
bkeysI'm gonna finally try to get it working on the Reform today16:59
bkeysminute Also, do you have any estimate of when the cm4 adapter boards will begin shipping?17:02
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minutebkeys: we have everything ready to ship i think, i'm just making sure we have a good system image for it17:06
bkeysOkay; I was thinking I wanted to use a rpi cm4 module on it instead of a311d so I was gonna change my order17:07
minutebkeys: ok, for that one there won't be a separate image i think, you can use the stock pi images + some overlays17:08
bkeysYeah that was my plan because Fedora officially supports the rpi cm4 so I could easily use that17:08
bkeysI have a A311D SBC at my house that runs mainline Fedora though; I also run into situations where 4GB of RAM brings the Reform to a halt; mostly when building something from source17:09
minutebkeys: ah, do you have swap enabled?17:09
minutei do use a 8gb swapfile with a311d17:10
bkeysYeah I usually swap on the nvme drive17:10
bkeysIt helps; I dunno I might get both but I wouldn't want one SoM be it either one to sit there and collect dust17:10
bkeysThe A311D has better GPU performance; but CM4 gets vulkan17:11
bkeysI'd probably stick with the A311D if I knew I could get Fedora on there without it taking days of struggle17:11
minutei see17:11
bkeysI like doing 3D modelling; which I probably won't do a ton of on the Reform but it'd be nice to at least be able to make small changes on here17:12
minuteyeah if you need to use blender, a311d is not an option sadly17:12
bkeysIt's not a need, but a nice to have. Do you notice a real difference in general performance between the two? I believe you published some benchmarks somewhere17:17
minutebkeys: benchmarks are on the reform shop page and on the rcm4 shop page17:21
bkeysOkay; looking at the cm4 module the price has gone to insane levels17:22
bkeysI'll probably try my best to live with A311D17:22
minuteoh, how expensive are they now?17:22
bkeysOn aliexpress I cannot find one with the max specs for less than $20017:22
unixpoetouch17:22
bkeysMaybe one day but I think I will take my chances getting Fedora on the A311D17:23
minutebkeys: i would imagine you "just" have to replace the debian userland with fedora userland on the bootdisk, or copy fedora on nvme and pivot into it?17:24
bkeysI could, I mean I could do that on this system image. I'd like to see about getting the EFI working on uboot and booting into a mainline kernel17:25
bkeysI have my aarch64 server; I should take your patches to the kernel and merge them into the Fedora kernel so I can have a packaged kernel17:25
minutebkeys: mainline is not compatible, you need some patches for the display17:26
minutebkeys: https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-debian-packages/-/tree/main/linux/patches/meson-g12b-bananapi-cm4-mnt-reform2?ref_type=heads17:26
bkeysYeah the goal would be to maintain a kernel for the Reform in copr or the like17:27
minuteok17:28
bkeysSo is the link I posted still the recommended way to get the LPC to report the battery status?17:29
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minutebkeys: normally `modprobe reform2_lpc`17:42
minutebkeys: `sensors` should show `8xlifepo4-spi-0-0`17:42
- bkeys (QUIT: Ping timeout: 246 seconds) (~bkeys@static-198-54-130-101.cust.tzulo.com)17:48
joschunixpoet: no need to apologize! I think vagrant and me are the best people to ask in this channel as the two of us are (to the best of my knowledge) the only Debian developers with upload permissions. :D Sometimes, the maintainer of a package just drops the ball and there are some mechanisms we have in place to deal with that kind of situation. What package is this about?17:50
Boostisbetterminute: there are some things that run on X better and are more stable. i have not found a personal case to use it, and I love Sway. 17:53
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joschunixpoet: otherwise, if you want to seek input elsewhere, you can also ask in #debian-mentors on OFTC17:57
bkeysminute I see it in sensors (but the value says 0 for V and A)18:00
minutebkeys: are you on power adapter?18:01
bkeysMy guess is it was already being loaded; because KDE shows the battery as empty. Do I need to update LPC firmware? I updated it once when I got this thing, that had to have been about a year ago18:01
bkeysNo18:01
minutehmm. sounds buggy18:01
Boostisbetterbkeys: what is the performance like on the Reform under KDE? 18:01
bkeysBoostisbetter It's noticeably not as snappy as my ppc64le desktop; but it's certainly livable18:03
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bkeysWhich repo has lpc firmware in it?18:12
bkeysNvm, found it18:13
Boostisbetterbkeys: can you tell me what the name of your desktop is? Like who makes it and model name?18:16
bkeysBoostisbetter https://www.raptorcs.com/content/TL1MB1/intro.html18:17
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Boostisbetterbkeys: running Debian as well there?18:19
bkeysNo I run Fedora on there18:19
bkeysI usually run RH based distros if I have a choice in the matter18:19
BoostisbetterMakes sense. So did you just get the mainboard and build the computer yourself, or did you get one of their prebuilt deals?18:21
bkeysI bought it prebuilt from my best friend18:22
BoostisbetterHave you found it very limited in terms of software available for it, or has powerpc really got a lot of Linux support?18:22
bkeysIt has a good desktop; browser space isn't very good but I can do everything I care to do on there18:24
bkeysOne thing I like about Fedora is the parity of quality between different CPU arches18:24
bkeysI have firefox out of the box though18:24
bkeysThe only real thorn in the side is if you have electron apps you need; other than that I don't even notice a difference18:24
Boostisbetterthey just don't run you mean? Electron apps?18:27
bkeysYeah the support isn't very good. Some people have gotten stuff rigged to work though18:27
bkeysI stopped using vscode and any electron application18:27
unixpoetjosch: this is entirely offtopic here but I figured I'd bug you :) the specific package is neovim18:32
unixpoetI'm happy to do the work of updating it, including testing it for aarch64 so it's tangentially on topic, but it seems the maintainer has other stuff going on in life18:34
unixpoetwhich is fine! absolutely no problem with that, open source is about volunteering and I have no authority over their life18:35
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minutejosch: how shall we add non-free-firmware to mkuserland/mmdebstrap? at least for a311d i need it (firmware-realtek for wifi/bt)19:05
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minutehmm, i'm trying to hack debian's old wayfire source repo into something i can use with sbuild with wf 0.8. but... it doesn't attempt to build/run meson19:53
minutemhm hmm https://blog.devgenius.io/how-to-build-debian-packages-from-meson-ninja-d1c28b60e70919:54
minuteguess i'll try from scratch then19:58
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minutetried to put "dh_auto_configure --buildsystem=meson" into control but: "ERROR: Neither source directory '..' nor build directory None contain a build file meson.build."20:15
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minuteah, got a bit further20:30
minute"ERROR: Automatic wrap-based subproject downloading is disabled"20:49
minutey tho https://github.com/Debian/debhelper/blob/master/lib/Debian/Debhelper/Buildsystem/meson.pm#L5620:51
sevanbecause you don't want to perform builds where you download random things during the process?20:53
sevanin other places they also skip using the supplied prebuilt components too and regen during build which is why I wondered that.20:55
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minuteccache: error: Failed to create directory /build/ccache/tmp: Permission denied20:57
sevancan you prefetch whatever it was planning to download and point to that instea?20:57
sevanccache? that's cheating! ;)20:57
minutesevan: yeah, i'm doing that now @ prefetch20:57
sevanchmod 1777 /build/ccache/tmp ?20:57
minuteyeah20:58
minuteat least it wanted to start compiling!20:58
sevan:)20:58
sevanalways starts off with the best of intentions20:59
minuteomg it's building...20:59
minuteah, dh_install needs changes21:00
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minute> Status: successful21:21
minuteoof21:21
joschminute: in ./mkuserland.sh replace --components=main -> --components=main,non-free-firmware21:23
joschunixpoet: are your attempts to contact James publicly logged21:25
minutejosch: oh, thanks!!21:27
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joschunixpoet: James is definitely still active but is maintaining a ton of packages. Probably they just need a bit of help. The neovim package is team maintained. Maybe offer some help and send patches to bugs or file merge requests on salsa?21:31
minutejosch: i think my wayfire build is working now, so there is a follow-up challenge: i need to build another package that depends on a resulting package (library/includes actually) from that build to be installed as a build dependency. is that doable in the current setup? or should i somehow build both things together in one go?21:34
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joschminute: that used to be possible back when reform-debian-packages was one big job instead of multiple individual ones21:38
joschminute: now the reprepro only gets populated in the last stage21:38
minutejosch: ah i see. so maybe i can build 2 meson projects in 1 source package?21:38
minuteor maybe i can somehow integrate the plugin into the main wayfire build...21:39
joschmaybe but i don't know much of meson21:39
joschminute: your changes add more than 2 MB of data to the git history forever -- maybe consider downloading a tarball snapshot from github and then add your debian directory into that?21:40
minutejosch: hmm, i'm doing that21:41
minutejosch: you probably mean that json dependency?21:41
joschi only had a look at the patch size21:42
minutejosch: i'm trying to work around a problem of dh's meson.pm21:42
minutejosch: it forbids a feature that the build needs, which is downloading a file during the build21:42
joschyou also name your wayfire 0.8-1 -- this will make it impossible to automatically upgrade to the actual wayfire 0.8 once it's released21:43
joschwell yes, that is by design :)21:43
minutejosch: i see, how should it be named? perhaps 0.7.9 or something?21:43
joschthat would work if you can be very sure that there will never be a 0.7.9 release21:44
minutewell, the current next milestone for wayfire is 0.821:45
josch0.8~2023-09-04-gitXXXX is customary where XXXX is the git commit hash you are packaging21:45
minutehttps://github.com/WayfireWM/wayfire/milestone/521:45
minutejosch: ah, ok21:45
joschputting the date in also gives you the ability to do another snapshot later on21:45
joschif you name it 0.7.9 then you need to name the next one 0.7.1021:45
minuteok cool21:46
minutehm21:54
minute> dpkg-parsechangelog: warning: /home/minute/src/mref/reform-debian-packages/tmp.suk4LLXilu/wayfire_0.8~2023-09-04-gitea07520/debian/changelog(l1): version 'wayfire_0.8~2023-09-04-gitea07520' is invalid: version number does not start with digit21:54
minuteah sorry, my bad21:55
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minutehmm > .changes put in a distribution not listed within it!22:06
joschthat's just a warning not fatal22:07
minutethe job failed though https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-debian-packages/-/jobs/1829#L80522:07
minuteis there another issue i overlooked?22:07
joschoh22:08
joschi think --ignore=wrongdistribution was once part of the default config22:08
joschto fix, just change the distribution from unstable to reform22:08
joschwhich is the value behind $OURSUITE22:09
joschthat's the suite name of --ignore=wrongdistribution22:09
minutejosch: in the newest changelog entry, yes?22:09
joscherrr22:09
joschyes22:09
josch"reform" is the suite name of https://mntre.com/reform-debian-repo/22:09
joschsee https://mntre.com/reform-debian-repo/dists/22:09
minuteah yeah22:10
minutei still need to come up with an idea to autogenerate the version in the changelog as well22:10
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joschminute: git grep dch for examples on how to set the version of the top debian/changelog entry programmatically22:11
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minutejosch: you're giving "--extra-repository="$SRC_LIST_PATCHED"" to sbuild. this looks like a way of handing over custom packages, or am i mistaken?22:19
joschminute: yes, that was how it worked22:21
joschminute: it's a leftover from when after each package build the script called "reprepro include $OURSUITE *.changes"22:21
joschthat would update the repository and then sbuild could make use of that22:22
minutejosch: could i run that command once or would that break things?22:23
joschinstead of adding another repository, you could use --extra-package and point sbuild at the directory with the *.deb you built22:24
minutejosch: oh nice22:25
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minutedeleting and forgetting ;__; https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-debian-packages/-/jobs/1839#L82322:43
joschyou are calling "reprepro removesrc reform wayfire"22:49
minutenot on purpose... that seems to be a side effect of reprepo.sh22:51
minutehttps://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-debian-packages/-/blob/main/reprepro.sh#L1722:52
minuteah https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-debian-packages/-/blob/main/reprepro.sh#L1722:52
minutegotcha22:52
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unixpoetjosch: haven't reached out yet, didn't want to be a bother to someone who's clearly very busy! I'll look into those two tasks, thank you :)23:08
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minutefiredecor sbuild works! at least almost. dh_install doesn't find the things that dh_autoinstall found23:26
- stites (QUIT: Read error: Connection reset by peer) (~stites@2607:fb90:ad61:9325:603a:eedc:7602:5471)23:33
+ stites (~stites@130.44.147.204)23:33
- anzu (QUIT: Ping timeout: 246 seconds) (~anzu@melkki.cs.helsinki.fi)23:47
- mjw (QUIT: Ping timeout: 246 seconds) (~mjw@gnu.wildebeest.org)23:59

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