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| noam | Woooooo | 05:41 |
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| noam | Fully revived and recharged half the original cells :D | 05:41 |
| noam | without even resorting to a blast furnace! | 05:41 |
| noam | :P | 05:41 |
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| abortretryfail | blast furnace? | 13:17 |
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| sevan | on the DIY computing front: https://sdomi.pl/weblog/17-building-a-luggable-for-no-reason/ | 13:20 |
| sevan | we need a 17" CRT mod for the pocket, imo | 13:25 |
| Boostisbetter | ah yes , the gentle hum of a CRT. | 13:28 |
| sevan | saw some old photos of macintoshes with a filter on the display. Had completely forgotten about those. They were for reducing radiation/static, right? | 13:31 |
| Boostisbetter | Yes, I believe so. | 13:32 |
| rah | Boostisbetter: why is the Librem 5 never going to be a smart phone? | 13:32 |
| Boostisbetter | rah: because it runs desktop Linux. Basically plug a cellular modem dongle into your desktop linux computer that has a webcam and mic, and you have the same thing as the Librem 5. | 13:33 |
| Boostisbetter | rah: now, phosh is amazing. And it makes using desktop Linux in a smartphone format totally possible. | 13:34 |
| Boostisbetter | But that is just the frosting on the cake. It is still a cake. | 13:34 |
| Boostisbetter | if that makes sense. | 13:34 |
| rah | Boostisbetter: it runs a custom OS with a custom compositor designed from the ground up for phone use | 13:34 |
| Boostisbetter | iPhone and Android are running mobile specific OSes that sacrifice many of the things that make a desktop OS a desktop OS. | 13:34 |
| rah | the fact that the custom OS makes use of the same frameworks as GNOME doesn't mean that it's "desktop Linux" | 13:35 |
| rah | but even so, I don't see how the fact that a device might run "desktop Linux" (whatever that is) precludes that device being a smart phone | 13:36 |
| Boostisbetter | rah: IMHO it is still a frosted linux desktop cake. Don't misunderstand me. I'm not saying that you can't use it LIKE a smartphone. I'm saying it will never be a smart phone, because it is a pocket desktop computer. | 13:36 |
| rah | Boostisbetter: that do you mean by "desktop computer" and what do you mean by "smart phone"? | 13:36 |
| Boostisbetter | it is not running a cut and stripped mobile first OS. | 13:36 |
| Boostisbetter | iOS doesn't even have a file system, for example. | 13:36 |
| Boostisbetter | well for the longest time it didn't, and it still sucks today | 13:37 |
| rah | it is running a cut and stripped mobile first OS | 13:38 |
| Boostisbetter | The Librem 5? | 13:38 |
| rah | yes | 13:38 |
| Boostisbetter | Nope | 13:38 |
| Boostisbetter | desktop linux | 13:38 |
| rah | lol | 13:38 |
| Boostisbetter | with a mobile first composer | 13:38 |
| rah | I used to work for Purism and help write the OS | 13:38 |
| rah | you're talking shite | 13:38 |
| Boostisbetter | rah: not necessary | 13:39 |
| rah | yet true | 13:39 |
| Boostisbetter | rah: playing coy with me, when you should have just been up front about who your are and your own experience with it, would have been the right way to frame this conversation | 13:39 |
| rah | lol | 13:39 |
| Boostisbetter | and I still don't understand how PureOS on the Librem 5 is a mobile first OS. | 13:40 |
| rah | I think the key words there are "don't understand", my suggestion would be to remember that | 13:41 |
| Boostisbetter | all you've done is ivory tower but have no explained anything | 13:41 |
| Boostisbetter | rah: well I've lost interest in trying to understand either. Especially since none of this has anything to do with MNT. | 13:41 |
| Boostisbetter | rah: your conversation skills smack very much as that of a troll. My suggestion would be to remember that. | 13:43 |
| rah | NO U! | 13:43 |
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| Boostisbetter | minunte: will the pocket reform's lpc function in the same way as the Reform's? | 14:04 |
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| minute | rah: please take a break and watch your language here. | 14:37 |
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| Boostisbetter | minute: I know you have talked about the Pocket LPC before, and with my question, what I mean is, will it have the same functionality as the Reform LPC? (So battery and voltage readings, firmware readouts, etc.) | 14:59 |
| minute | Boostisbetter: it is quite similar, but different in detail due to different battery architecture and it's a rp2040 instead of lpc11u24 | 15:01 |
| Boostisbetter | minute: copy. Thanks! I'm sure it is going to be great. Really looking forward to it. | 15:01 |
| minute | its job is more or less the same | 15:01 |
| Boostisbetter | just a random note: Telekom handles being abroad actually quite well. Reasonable data plans for specific amounts of time, etc. The US carriers do not do such a good job with that kind of thing. | 15:02 |
| Boostisbetter | minute: I'm just glad that the Pocket is getting one. | 15:02 |
| Boostisbetter | minute: I had a business trip to the states, and I was debating bringing the Reform with me. I told myself (I love to travel light) that it was too heavy. Now that I am here, I've told myself that in the future it will be worth it to bring it. | 15:12 |
| minute | oh :D | 15:20 |
| minute | with the pocket being around ~1kg maybe that decision will be easier in the future | 15:20 |
| Boostisbetter | minute: Absolutely! I love little computers, and when you first mentioned the Pocket, I knew it was for me. I can't wait and I really appreciate all the work you and the team are making on it. | 15:21 |
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| josch | Boostisbetter: do you know of any example for a laptop into which you plug in a cellular modem and turn it into something that can do phone calls? | 15:34 |
| josch | Boostisbetter: i've recently talked about that on the forums but usually (i know of no exception) when you plug a modem into your laptop all you get is data and not cellular voice calls | 15:34 |
| josch | i used to plug in an ericsson modem into my old thinkpad and while i was able to fire off the AT commands to make or accept calls but there is no way to route the audio | 15:35 |
| josch | sms work though | 15:35 |
| josch | in other modems i've tried the running the appropriate AT commands just resulted in straight errors | 15:35 |
| josch | and searching on the internet i've never found a single case of somebody who was able to do cellular voice calls with their laptop | 15:36 |
| minute | josch: i will look into this today--AFAIK some modems have some (undocumented) audio-over-serial mode but usually i think the modem card has extra audio pins that need to be connected to I2S. i will check if it's feasible to connect this in pocket, but not sure yet | 15:52 |
| minute | ah yeah, on the librem block diagram one can see an I2S connection between modem and imx https://source.puri.sm/Librem5/l5-schematic/-/raw/master/l5_schematic_block_diagram.pdf?inline=false | 15:54 |
| minute | (SAI/I2S 1) | 15:55 |
| josch | minute: can i quote what you just said in that recent forum thread on the topic? | 15:56 |
| minute | josch: still investigating | 15:57 |
| josch | okay, i'll wait then | 15:58 |
| minute | josch: on sheet 16 you can see the PCM signals going out of the M.2 socket for the modem https://source.puri.sm/Librem5/l5-schematic/-/raw/master/librem5_mainboard_schematic.pdf?inline=false | 16:01 |
| josch | interesting... i've only ever used pcie modems and i guess the pcie port lacks the ability to just re-purpose pins for its own purpose? i know that the m.2 connector can be sata or pcie for example... | 16:03 |
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| Boostisbetter | josch: that is a good point. I guess you would have to use an m2 based cellular Radio like the L5, and then you could just use the same software with it. (ModemManager, calls, etc) At least that is what I am guessing. I could be completely wrong and that wouldn't surprise me. | 16:44 |
| minute | josch: i haven't ever seen a real pcie modem in practice... i only know of some very expensive 5G ones | 16:47 |
| minute | josch: the modems that i know are USB over m.2 or mpcie socket | 16:47 |
| minute | Boostisbetter: i think you are mostly right. i use modemmanager etc too. these modems are just USB plus extra stuff... like the audio channels which are separate | 16:48 |
| minute | EM06 modem docs say "voice over USB*" and the * goes to: “*” means under development | 16:53 |
| minute | oh https://forums.quectel.com/uploads/short-url/xnztA07u1c4hilREu66LYIY6NGR.pdf | 16:54 |
| minute | > Execute AT+QPCMV=1,0 on the USB AT port to enable Voice over USB function | 16:58 |
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| abortretryfail | The one in the Pinephone might have some docs too | 17:25 |
| abortretryfail | It's also a Quectel though, might even be the same chipset. | 17:25 |
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| minute | the pinephone pro audio design is interesting | 18:16 |
| minute | the modem is connected to a adc/dac and that feeds analog (?) audio to a realtek ALC sound chip/"audio hub" which in turn is connected to the soc via I2S | 18:17 |
| josch | minute: you are right! all the modems i have only shop up in lsusb and not in lspci even though i plug them into the mini pci socket of my thinkpad | 18:24 |
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| minute | the audio call thing is a bit of a dilemma. on imx8mplus it can probably work just by routing out one more SAI port to the modem. but RCM4 has only one SAI port, so that wouldn't work there. | 20:28 |
| minute | anyway audio calls are not a priority feature, i'll just route the i2s connection for modules that support it, like imx8mplus | 20:45 |
| minute | if this should develop into something more serious we could always patch in another usb audio codec on a future rcm4 | 20:45 |
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