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| minute | Boostisbetter: wow | 01:02 |
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| unixpoet | does the stock debian reform image support setting up encrypted storage? I have a personal policy of encrypting all my laptops and would like to maintain that policy with the reform | 03:57 |
| - mjw (QUIT: Ping timeout: 245 seconds) (~mjw@gnu.wildebeest.org) | 04:07 | |
| + mtm (~mtm@c-71-228-84-213.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) | 04:09 | |
| - vagrantc (QUIT: Quit: leaving) (~vagrant@2600:3c01:e000:21:7:77:0:50) | 04:43 | |
| - GNUmoon (QUIT: Write error: Connection reset by peer) (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) | 04:54 | |
| + GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) | 04:55 | |
| minute | unixpoet: yes, encrypted nvme | 05:56 |
| + jacobk (~quassel@64.189.201.150) | 07:06 | |
| - qbit (QUIT: Quit: WeeChat 3.8) (~qbit@h.suah.dev) | 08:09 | |
| Boostisbetter | minute: 30 as of this morning. I'm not sure, but it has been super solid lately. One thing is that I have had the power pluggerd in and I have made sure that I don't have LibreOffice (JVM) open when suspending. | 08:51 |
| Boostisbetter | minute: I don't have any concrete evidence that these things help but so far it does seem to be working. | 08:52 |
| + IchikaZou (~IchikaZou@45.8.223.248) | 09:30 | |
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| - Boostisbetter (QUIT: Ping timeout: 256 seconds) (4a410829d7@irc.cheogram.com) | 13:22 | |
| nocko | josch: Thanks for reform.debian.net . I finally got around to unpinning the mntre packages and moving to the stable repo. Great work. | 13:38 |
| + qbit (~qbit@2602:ff16:3:0:1:3a0:0:1) | 13:49 | |
| + mjw (~mjw@gnu.wildebeest.org) | 13:58 | |
| - mtm (QUIT: Ping timeout: 246 seconds) (~mtm@c-71-228-84-213.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) | 14:04 | |
| + Boostisbetter (4a410829d7@irc.cheogram.com) | 14:13 | |
| josch | nocko: nice! i'm happy to hear it's working :) | 14:50 |
| josch | i'm always worried when receiving no bug reports | 14:50 |
| josch | could mean that there are no bugs (unlikely) | 14:50 |
| josch | or it means that nobody is using it XD | 14:50 |
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| - jacobk (QUIT: Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.) (~quassel@64.189.201.150) | 16:27 | |
| unixpoet | minute: excellent, thank you! | 16:36 |
| josch | unixpoet: i set up my system using the reform system image using reform-setup-encrypted-nvme | 16:37 |
| josch | i've been running off of luks encrypted nvme since then | 16:37 |
| unixpoet | josch: that is excellent, sounds pretty straightforward | 16:38 |
| josch | unixpoet: on the forums there is some comparison of transfer speed with and without encryption to nvme | 16:41 |
| josch | https://community.mnt.re/t/does-drive-encryption-cause-the-reform-to-slowdown/871/2 | 16:42 |
| Boostisbetter | and as another aside, on the Librem 5, the emmc is always encrypted by default from the factory. I have not felt any kind of CPU slowdown as a result. | 17:22 |
| minute | how can the emmc be encrypted from the factory? | 17:27 |
| minute | is there a setup process where you set up an encrypted partition? | 17:28 |
| minute | Boostisbetter: i saw your post on the purism forum in the louis rossman thread stating that librem 5 has much better power management than reform. could you detail what this means? | 17:29 |
| unixpoet | system76 ships a startup/recovery partition for their machines where you can elect to encrypt the partition when you receive the machine. you can't encrypt it from the factory without some user process to select a key | 17:33 |
| unixpoet | josch: definite performance impact there, though I'm curious how the LS1028A will compare | 17:34 |
| josch | unixpoet: i'll tell you in september :) | 17:34 |
| unixpoet | josch: likewise :) | 17:34 |
| josch | oh nice! :D | 17:34 |
| unixpoet | do any of the processor modules have hardware AES support? | 17:35 |
| josch | that is a surprisingly tricky question to answer | 17:35 |
| unixpoet | how so? | 17:35 |
| josch | it's really funny | 17:35 |
| josch | let me find you the logs | 17:35 |
| unixpoet | on the surface, it seems like a simple yes/no question based on the CPU | 17:36 |
| minute | LS1028AXE7PQA has hardware AES | 17:40 |
| minute | and imx8mq too, accelerated by CAAM | 17:40 |
| josch | unixpoet: the fun starts here (but is not relevant anymore): https://mntre.com/reform-irc-logs/2023-07-06.log.html#t14:50:59 | 17:46 |
| unixpoet | josch: okay, why is it not relevant anymore? | 17:53 |
| jfred | Something I've been wondering about, any suggestions for a small shoulder bag that would fit the Pocket Reform along with a few other things? There are plenty out there with pockets for e.g. smaller tablets, but the Pocket is a bit of an uncommon size being small but thick | 18:29 |
| jfred | Would be nice to have something with a dedicated pocket for it though so it doesn't fall to the bottom, etc | 18:30 |
| jfred | And smaller than a typical laptop bag | 18:30 |
| josch | unixpoet: because Lukas bought the LS1028AXE7PQA which definitely has AES | 18:37 |
| - mjw (QUIT: Ping timeout: 240 seconds) (~mjw@gnu.wildebeest.org) | 18:42 | |
| unixpoet | josch: I thought that was the case, wasn't sure. thank you for clarifying :) | 18:54 |
| unixpoet | jfred: if it fits, I'm quite in love with my Tom Bihn Sidekick: https://www.tombihn.com/products/side-kick?variant=42928400433341 Yes, it's expensive, but they're the best made bags I've ever used | 18:55 |
| unixpoet | looks like it might fit but may be snug. if you're willing to pay good money for well-made bags, cannot recommend highly enough. I don't use bags from any other company | 18:59 |
| jfred | Oh that might be a good option, if the dimensions on that page are the inner dimensions (or at least relatively close) | 19:10 |
| + mjw (~mjw@gnu.wildebeest.org) | 19:19 | |
| unixpoet | There's also the large cafe bag https://www.tombihn.com/collections/shoulder-bags/products/large-cafe-bag which is bigger, should have no problem with that | 19:25 |
| josch | there is also this thread on the forums: https://community.mnt.re/t/mnt-sized-bags-cases/1529 | 19:25 |
| josch | jfred: ^ | 19:25 |
| unixpoet | that's cool, some more affordable options in that thread. that Waterfield though | 19:27 |
| Boostisbetter | minute: I'm not sure, but when you first booth the L5 from factory you are asked to set your encryption pin. | 19:55 |
| Boostisbetter | minute: please understand that I wasn't contrasting the L5 and the Reform to bad mouth either of them. I LOVE my Reform!! What I am talking about is how the smaller battery is able to last a whole day on standby, and that the Reform does not. I get about 9 hours of standby and NO usage, or around 8 hours of standby and usage with about 45 minutes of usage in between. On the L5 I can use it for ab | 19:57 |
| Boostisbetter | out 2 hours and still get through a work day 9:30 hours. | 19:57 |
| Boostisbetter | using standby of course. | 19:58 |
| Boostisbetter | minute: I find this impressive considering the difference in battery capacities. | 19:58 |
| unixpoet | asking for a PIN on first boot is how system76 does whole disk encryption | 19:59 |
| unixpoet | so, yeah, likely not *actually* encrypted from the factory, unless they're shipping it to you encrypted and changing the key when you set it up. can't imagine why they'd add all that complexity though | 20:00 |
| Boostisbetter | unixpoet, probably in an attempt to cater to their privacy and security oriented market? | 20:02 |
| Boostisbetter | not sure, just know that is how they handle it. | 20:02 |
| Boostisbetter | If MNT made a Linux Phone and Ana designed the case again, I would be sold. I REALLY like the 90s Thinkpad with a touch modern that is in the designs. | 20:03 |
| + jacobk (~quassel@2603-8080-b200-7b02-0000-0000-0000-0b71.res6.spectrum.com) | 20:08 | |
| Boostisbetter | honestly a phone seems like something that could be a new product from MNT. Based in the integration work well a cellular modem in the Pocket Reform, I could see it being a possiblity. | 20:17 |
| + klardotsh (~klardotsh@172.56.168.255) | 20:18 | |
| - jacobk (QUIT: Ping timeout: 246 seconds) (~quassel@2603-8080-b200-7b02-0000-0000-0000-0b71.res6.spectrum.com) | 20:26 | |
| josch | Boostisbetter: several companies with more money than MNT tried and were not really successful | 20:42 |
| josch | i've been there when openmoko and the maemo crowd tried to make a gnu/linux phone and i saw all the problems | 20:42 |
| josch | it sounds so similar if you have never tried making a phone | 20:42 |
| josch | and now i see the librem5 or the pinephone -- tell me, how good is the call quality? how reliable is it to receive calls? | 20:43 |
| josch | it is really, really, really hard | 20:43 |
| josch | s/it sounds so similar/it sounds so simple/ | 20:44 |
| + jacobk (~quassel@47-186-105-91.dlls.tx.frontiernet.net) | 20:54 | |
| anzu | I bought a nokia (non-smart) phone for calls (those are quite cheap) and I'm planning to use the pocket reform for cellular internet use when travelling etc | 21:00 |
| Boostisbetter | josch: I am on ALdi Talk, and the call quality has been VERY good. Volte works, and I have am able to get SMS reliably. | 21:10 |
| Boostisbetter | josch: the Librem 5 has really made a lot of progress and it really just sucks that the management behind Purism is so terrible. | 21:11 |
| josch | Boostisbetter: if the phone functionality works these days then ignore what i wrote, then my information is outdated | 21:28 |
| unixpoet | whether it works for you is also highly dependent on how you use the device, which isn't typically mentioned in discussions like this | 21:41 |
| Boostisbetter | I'm not using the phone as a daily. There is still more power savings that are necessary there. The issue is that the Librem 5 is never going to be a smart phone. It is a desktop computer in a phone format. As such, taming desktop Linux to behave well there is the whole reason Mobile specific OSes were created to begin with. | 21:45 |
| unixpoet | Yeahhh the whole idea of using a desktop OS on a mobile device or vice versa just does not make sense and I wish people would stop forcing it | 21:51 |
| - jacobk (QUIT: Ping timeout: 255 seconds) (~quassel@47-186-105-91.dlls.tx.frontiernet.net) | 21:51 | |
| Boostisbetter | well they are making good progres. Phosh is great and the phone really does work. | 22:14 |
| Boostisbetter | It is just its best when it is in convergence mode, and then you are basically using a Reform. | 22:15 |
| Boostisbetter | The fact that it is the best when it is a desktop is telling. | 22:15 |
| Boostisbetter | But I think that is quite the accomplishment all together. Still the MNT is amazing and I love it. | 22:15 |
| - GNUmoon (QUIT: Ping timeout: 246 seconds) (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) | 22:28 | |
| unixpoet | Eagerly awaiting my LS1028 reform. I'm probably in a very small percentage of the userbase where it won't be my first ARM Linux laptop | 22:29 |
| + GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) | 22:31 | |
| - S0rin (QUIT: Ping timeout: 256 seconds) (~S0rin@user/s0rin) | 22:37 | |
| + S0rin (~S0rin@user/s0rin) | 22:39 | |
| + jacobk (~quassel@129.110.242.224) | 22:46 | |
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| Boostisbetter | minute: I'm at 36 successful resumes from standby. | 22:54 |
| Boostisbetter | it would be great if some other folks within the MNT community could test suspend using the workaround mentioned by minute on the MNT forums. | 22:54 |
| unixpoet | I will once I have hardware to test | 22:55 |
| Boostisbetter | here is the link to the specific fix I'm referring to: https://community.mnt.re/t/standby-suspend-to-ram-mnt-reform/538/94 | 22:56 |
| Boostisbetter | under the current reform image (v3) the suspend script is already there and you just need to add what is mentioned there. | 22:57 |
| unixpoet | suspend is a big deal™ for me, too. I just put the Asahi Fedora spin on my M2 and one of the things I noted is improved over the Arch version is it supports suspend, so I'll certainly be testing this | 22:58 |
| Boostisbetter | unixpoet: yep. I love suspend. It would be great to also see hibernation make its way to the Reform, but as long as suspend works most of the time, I can wait for more good things to come when they do. | 23:00 |
| + jacobk (~quassel@utdpat242016.utdallas.edu) | 23:03 | |
| unixpoet | right. suspend is especially important for me since I use Plasma on Wayland and it doesn't support session restore so rebooting is annoying | 23:04 |
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| + jacobk (~quassel@utdpat241106.utdallas.edu) | 23:22 | |
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