2023-08-09.log

unixpoetI have a Rock Pi 5B with an RK3588, and it's quite fast, but that lack of acceleration really hurts00:00
minuteunixpoet: afaik pancsf should be quite usable already00:07
unixpoetI'll have to take a look, thank you :)00:07
minuteunixpoet: there's a kernel stack from bbrezillon and mesa pancsf that you can try00:08
unixpoetneat! I'm wondering how mature it is, though, given https://www.collabora.com/news-and-blog/news-and-events/a-helping-arm-for-panfrost.html from a few weeks ago00:08
minutebluerise: hmm, t-firefly have an almost identical module since like a year, i have 2 of them in a drawer00:09
minutebut going with mezzanine style module instead00:09
minutealso, sinovoip (bpi) have a solder stamp style rk3588 module00:09
unixpoetI haven't used anything else from sinovoip, but if their other boards are as solid as the R3, I'm sure it'll be great00:10
minuteunixpoet: the bpi cm4 module we offer now as a bundle with rcm4 is from sinovoip as well00:10
unixpoetI've got an R3 running my wireless and it's quite zippy, I can almost max out gigE on it00:10
unixpoetyup! I saw00:10
minutethey have been also really nice in contact and we're buying from them directly now00:10
unixpoetI decided to order the LS1028A for the RAM though00:10
minuteunixpoet: makes sense! that's a lot of ram :D00:11
unixpoetyeah! I do Rust dev so I need ALL THE RAMS00:11
minuteextremely understandable00:11
minutewe also do some rust stuff at mnt... we have a homegrown accounting system running on it :D00:11
minuteaccounting/bank sync/inventory/document management thing00:12
unixpoetvery nice!00:12
unixpoetI'm curious how the LS1028A compares to the CM4 in terms of performance when RAM constraints aren't an issue00:12
minutewell, it's 6 vs 2 cores...00:15
minuteat least they're A7200:15
unixpoetyeah, fair points. still gonna be happy to have the memory, and I can always swap out the module if I need something faster :)00:17
minuteyeah, also it's really a very rare thing00:18
minuteto have an OSHW module, and it has some interesting features like full PCIe, and can (unfortunately not with edp display) run without blobs00:18
unixpoetright! running without blobs is a big deal for me, I am becoming increasingly distrustful of Intel and AMD00:19
unixpoetI get that the LS1028A has a blob for the eDP but that's not something deep in the core of the system00:21
minutethere's not many "generic computer" ARM socs left i think, maybe someday there will be something similar and faster in the RISC-V space. i don't think there will be simple ARM SOCs anymore in the future, at least not well performing ones00:21
minuteunixpoet: correct00:21
unixpoetSpeaking of faster RISC-V, have you seen the Milk-V Pioneer?00:22
minuteyep! looking forward to seeing people play with it00:22
minutei personally did not back it because i'm more interested in modules ^^00:22
unixpoettotally reasonable00:22
unixpoetI didn't because I've spent enough on tech :)00:23
unixpoetalso I'd like a distro to declare official support for it; looks like Debian is most likely there00:23
minuteyeah00:23
joschstill takes another 2 years though00:26
unixpoetsure. that's a solid amount of time for drivers etc. 00:26
joschi can also live with blobs (if they are loadable firmware) but am really upset about the non-distributability of the NXP blobs :(00:30
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violethey which way should the arrow point on the wifi antenna03:37
violetflowy: yeah i am using the wayland support but i dont get these bugs on my other computer lol03:37
violeti assume it is just some weird interaction with the etnaviv stack03:39
violetim much more used to the quirks of panfrost03:39
violetthough, when i get the a311d i will be able to just use firefox because hwaccel will work on that03:41
violetstill might try and get vendor kernel working on the iMX though and see what vulkan is like03:41
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ex-parrotviolet: were you asking about running xorg at some point also?04:38
violetno04:42
violetalso josch i am on Linux reform 6.4.0-1-reform2-arm64 #1 SMP Debian 6.4.4-2+reform20230723T114637Z1 (2023-07-23) aarch64 GNU/Linux and the hdmi output seems to be broken again05:22
violetjosch: (sorry i forgot some clients only ping at the start of the message)05:23
joschviolet: i'm using irssi which seems to ping just fine with my name in the middle of it :)06:44
joschviolet: okay so you are without hdmi now?06:44
joschviolet: anything funny in the reform-check output?06:44
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noamjosch: no08:11
noamjosch: I was fully booted, I walked out08:11
noamthen the Reform entered a boot loop08:11
noamPretty sure it was thermals08:12
noamSeems the reform can't keep itself cool if I close the lid08:12
joschstrange08:16
joschin the night, my reform is on a couch cushion (good heat insulation) with lid closed -- never saw it shut off in the night08:17
noammy suspicion is that the USB ports and ethernet being in use caused increased thermal load08:26
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noam(it definitely bumped power consumption by >4W, I think?)08:34
ex-parrotyeah I've thrashed mine as well with the lid closed and sitting on a towel09:36
ex-parrotI did add a thermal compound between the SoM heatsink and the case but I've struggled to get it hot inside really09:36
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Boostisbetterjosch: everytime I leave my Reform on for a long time it glitches hardcore when sleeping it. 09:51
BoostisbetterI guess my Reform is just too used to sleeping. Hahaha!09:51
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joschwith "sleeping" you mean when you resume from suspend?09:54
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Boostisbetterjosch: no, if I leave the Reform on, as you do, when I eventually come back to it and use it for a time. After using it I then decide I want to suspend the system. When I do this the system hangs while trying to suspend. 12:12
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Boostisbetterjosch: It seems to only happen when I have left the system on for a long time, instead of suspending it like I normally do. 12:13
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abortretryfailex-parrot: did you do anything to mechanically attach the heatsink to the back of the case, or just let the goop fill the gap?13:57
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abortretryfailminute: fyi, the link "MNT Reform System Controller (LPC) Binaries" on this page is 404 https://mntre.com/docs-reform.html14:07
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abortretryfailhuh, interesting... the issue i was having where circle+b shows ??? for battery % after sitting for some days unused seems to just be between the LPC and keyboard. /sys/class/power_supply/8xlifepo4/capacity shows a reasonable number.14:39
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BoostisbetterYeah I have noticed that if there was any kind of power loss scenario the lpc needs to be trained again. So after going through a power cycle the number should be correct again. 15:33
BoostisbetterUnder the newest imagine you'll see that the correct battery percentage is show in waybar under sway as well. 15:34
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abortretryfailIt's not power loss.16:26
abortretryfailI charge the laptop to 100%, the LPC trains as expected, circle-b shows 100%, so does sysfs. 16:26
abortretryfailThen I put the laptop in my bag and it stays powered off for a few days. When I come back, circle-b says ???% but sysfs shows a reasonable number (today it was 89%)16:27
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abortretryfailAt no point in any of this are the batteries removed or drained below their minimum voltage.16:27
bkeysI hate docker17:02
dozensdocker is such a thing17:08
dozensconsider: podman17:08
bkeysThats what i am actually using17:08
bkeysit never works17:08
abortretryfailwhat's broken about it?17:12
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noamabortretryfail: I can confirm that b ug18:00
noamI've noticed the same thing under 9front consistently - the LPC seems to be telling the OS a claim about capacity it isn't making on the OLED18:01
noamit also isn't days for me18:02
noamit's minutes or hours18:02
minuteabortretryfail: i have the same symptom atm, will hopefully have time to debug it at cccamp. it might be brownout detect/reset of lpc18:03
minutethe best thing would be to finally utilize the eeprom in the lpc18:03
minuteto save the capacity18:04
minuteah, and i can look into whether it's just a communication problem18:04
sigridthere is a difference in how lpc talks via spi and uart18:05
sigridit doesn't check reached_full_charge when communicating over spi18:05
sigridhence you don't see ???% there, but via uart (to the keyboard) it does send exactly that18:06
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abortretryfailminute:as of this morning i suspect it's just a communication problem between LPC and keyboard, since the battery % it presents via sysfs makes sense 18:12
abortretryfailMaybe if someone is daily-driving their Reform it won't happen, but mine is only used portable, so it often sits powered off for 5+ days18:15
sigridfwiw I can't confirm that bug18:17
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joschabortretryfail: i've seen the same symptom -- just as in your case it so far only happened when having the reform unplugged from power18:30
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abortretryfailit's not a major issue now that I know the sysfs is still good. It was only a problem just not knowing how much battery I had at all. :)19:05
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ex-parrotabortretryfail: I just wedged a thermal pad in there. the gap is definitely wider than ideal but it seems to help23:20
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abortretryfailnot a bad idea23:58

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