| unixpoet | I have a Rock Pi 5B with an RK3588, and it's quite fast, but that lack of acceleration really hurts | 00:00 |
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| minute | unixpoet: afaik pancsf should be quite usable already | 00:07 |
| unixpoet | I'll have to take a look, thank you :) | 00:07 |
| minute | unixpoet: there's a kernel stack from bbrezillon and mesa pancsf that you can try | 00:08 |
| unixpoet | neat! I'm wondering how mature it is, though, given https://www.collabora.com/news-and-blog/news-and-events/a-helping-arm-for-panfrost.html from a few weeks ago | 00:08 |
| minute | bluerise: hmm, t-firefly have an almost identical module since like a year, i have 2 of them in a drawer | 00:09 |
| minute | but going with mezzanine style module instead | 00:09 |
| minute | also, sinovoip (bpi) have a solder stamp style rk3588 module | 00:09 |
| unixpoet | I haven't used anything else from sinovoip, but if their other boards are as solid as the R3, I'm sure it'll be great | 00:10 |
| minute | unixpoet: the bpi cm4 module we offer now as a bundle with rcm4 is from sinovoip as well | 00:10 |
| unixpoet | I've got an R3 running my wireless and it's quite zippy, I can almost max out gigE on it | 00:10 |
| unixpoet | yup! I saw | 00:10 |
| minute | they have been also really nice in contact and we're buying from them directly now | 00:10 |
| unixpoet | I decided to order the LS1028A for the RAM though | 00:10 |
| minute | unixpoet: makes sense! that's a lot of ram :D | 00:11 |
| unixpoet | yeah! I do Rust dev so I need ALL THE RAMS | 00:11 |
| minute | extremely understandable | 00:11 |
| minute | we also do some rust stuff at mnt... we have a homegrown accounting system running on it :D | 00:11 |
| minute | accounting/bank sync/inventory/document management thing | 00:12 |
| unixpoet | very nice! | 00:12 |
| unixpoet | I'm curious how the LS1028A compares to the CM4 in terms of performance when RAM constraints aren't an issue | 00:12 |
| minute | well, it's 6 vs 2 cores... | 00:15 |
| minute | at least they're A72 | 00:15 |
| unixpoet | yeah, fair points. still gonna be happy to have the memory, and I can always swap out the module if I need something faster :) | 00:17 |
| minute | yeah, also it's really a very rare thing | 00:18 |
| minute | to have an OSHW module, and it has some interesting features like full PCIe, and can (unfortunately not with edp display) run without blobs | 00:18 |
| unixpoet | right! running without blobs is a big deal for me, I am becoming increasingly distrustful of Intel and AMD | 00:19 |
| unixpoet | I get that the LS1028A has a blob for the eDP but that's not something deep in the core of the system | 00:21 |
| minute | there's not many "generic computer" ARM socs left i think, maybe someday there will be something similar and faster in the RISC-V space. i don't think there will be simple ARM SOCs anymore in the future, at least not well performing ones | 00:21 |
| minute | unixpoet: correct | 00:21 |
| unixpoet | Speaking of faster RISC-V, have you seen the Milk-V Pioneer? | 00:22 |
| minute | yep! looking forward to seeing people play with it | 00:22 |
| minute | i personally did not back it because i'm more interested in modules ^^ | 00:22 |
| unixpoet | totally reasonable | 00:22 |
| unixpoet | I didn't because I've spent enough on tech :) | 00:23 |
| unixpoet | also I'd like a distro to declare official support for it; looks like Debian is most likely there | 00:23 |
| minute | yeah | 00:23 |
| josch | still takes another 2 years though | 00:26 |
| unixpoet | sure. that's a solid amount of time for drivers etc. | 00:26 |
| josch | i can also live with blobs (if they are loadable firmware) but am really upset about the non-distributability of the NXP blobs :( | 00:30 |
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| violet | hey which way should the arrow point on the wifi antenna | 03:37 |
| violet | flowy: yeah i am using the wayland support but i dont get these bugs on my other computer lol | 03:37 |
| violet | i assume it is just some weird interaction with the etnaviv stack | 03:39 |
| violet | im much more used to the quirks of panfrost | 03:39 |
| violet | though, when i get the a311d i will be able to just use firefox because hwaccel will work on that | 03:41 |
| violet | still might try and get vendor kernel working on the iMX though and see what vulkan is like | 03:41 |
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| ex-parrot | violet: were you asking about running xorg at some point also? | 04:38 |
| violet | no | 04:42 |
| violet | also josch i am on Linux reform 6.4.0-1-reform2-arm64 #1 SMP Debian 6.4.4-2+reform20230723T114637Z1 (2023-07-23) aarch64 GNU/Linux and the hdmi output seems to be broken again | 05:22 |
| violet | josch: (sorry i forgot some clients only ping at the start of the message) | 05:23 |
| josch | violet: i'm using irssi which seems to ping just fine with my name in the middle of it :) | 06:44 |
| josch | violet: okay so you are without hdmi now? | 06:44 |
| josch | violet: anything funny in the reform-check output? | 06:44 |
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| noam | josch: no | 08:11 |
| noam | josch: I was fully booted, I walked out | 08:11 |
| noam | then the Reform entered a boot loop | 08:11 |
| noam | Pretty sure it was thermals | 08:12 |
| noam | Seems the reform can't keep itself cool if I close the lid | 08:12 |
| josch | strange | 08:16 |
| josch | in the night, my reform is on a couch cushion (good heat insulation) with lid closed -- never saw it shut off in the night | 08:17 |
| noam | my suspicion is that the USB ports and ethernet being in use caused increased thermal load | 08:26 |
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| noam | (it definitely bumped power consumption by >4W, I think?) | 08:34 |
| ex-parrot | yeah I've thrashed mine as well with the lid closed and sitting on a towel | 09:36 |
| ex-parrot | I did add a thermal compound between the SoM heatsink and the case but I've struggled to get it hot inside really | 09:36 |
| * ex-parrot -> scratch-network | 09:47 | |
| Boostisbetter | josch: everytime I leave my Reform on for a long time it glitches hardcore when sleeping it. | 09:51 |
| Boostisbetter | I guess my Reform is just too used to sleeping. Hahaha! | 09:51 |
| * scratch-network -> ex-parrot | 09:51 | |
| josch | with "sleeping" you mean when you resume from suspend? | 09:54 |
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| Boostisbetter | josch: no, if I leave the Reform on, as you do, when I eventually come back to it and use it for a time. After using it I then decide I want to suspend the system. When I do this the system hangs while trying to suspend. | 12:12 |
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| Boostisbetter | josch: It seems to only happen when I have left the system on for a long time, instead of suspending it like I normally do. | 12:13 |
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| abortretryfail | ex-parrot: did you do anything to mechanically attach the heatsink to the back of the case, or just let the goop fill the gap? | 13:57 |
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| abortretryfail | minute: fyi, the link "MNT Reform System Controller (LPC) Binaries" on this page is 404 https://mntre.com/docs-reform.html | 14:07 |
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| abortretryfail | huh, interesting... the issue i was having where circle+b shows ??? for battery % after sitting for some days unused seems to just be between the LPC and keyboard. /sys/class/power_supply/8xlifepo4/capacity shows a reasonable number. | 14:39 |
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| Boostisbetter | Yeah I have noticed that if there was any kind of power loss scenario the lpc needs to be trained again. So after going through a power cycle the number should be correct again. | 15:33 |
| Boostisbetter | Under the newest imagine you'll see that the correct battery percentage is show in waybar under sway as well. | 15:34 |
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| abortretryfail | It's not power loss. | 16:26 |
| abortretryfail | I charge the laptop to 100%, the LPC trains as expected, circle-b shows 100%, so does sysfs. | 16:26 |
| abortretryfail | Then I put the laptop in my bag and it stays powered off for a few days. When I come back, circle-b says ???% but sysfs shows a reasonable number (today it was 89%) | 16:27 |
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| abortretryfail | At no point in any of this are the batteries removed or drained below their minimum voltage. | 16:27 |
| bkeys | I hate docker | 17:02 |
| dozens | docker is such a thing | 17:08 |
| dozens | consider: podman | 17:08 |
| bkeys | Thats what i am actually using | 17:08 |
| bkeys | it never works | 17:08 |
| abortretryfail | what's broken about it? | 17:12 |
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| noam | abortretryfail: I can confirm that b ug | 18:00 |
| noam | I've noticed the same thing under 9front consistently - the LPC seems to be telling the OS a claim about capacity it isn't making on the OLED | 18:01 |
| noam | it also isn't days for me | 18:02 |
| noam | it's minutes or hours | 18:02 |
| minute | abortretryfail: i have the same symptom atm, will hopefully have time to debug it at cccamp. it might be brownout detect/reset of lpc | 18:03 |
| minute | the best thing would be to finally utilize the eeprom in the lpc | 18:03 |
| minute | to save the capacity | 18:04 |
| minute | ah, and i can look into whether it's just a communication problem | 18:04 |
| sigrid | there is a difference in how lpc talks via spi and uart | 18:05 |
| sigrid | it doesn't check reached_full_charge when communicating over spi | 18:05 |
| sigrid | hence you don't see ???% there, but via uart (to the keyboard) it does send exactly that | 18:06 |
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| abortretryfail | minute:as of this morning i suspect it's just a communication problem between LPC and keyboard, since the battery % it presents via sysfs makes sense | 18:12 |
| abortretryfail | Maybe if someone is daily-driving their Reform it won't happen, but mine is only used portable, so it often sits powered off for 5+ days | 18:15 |
| sigrid | fwiw I can't confirm that bug | 18:17 |
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| josch | abortretryfail: i've seen the same symptom -- just as in your case it so far only happened when having the reform unplugged from power | 18:30 |
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| abortretryfail | it's not a major issue now that I know the sysfs is still good. It was only a problem just not knowing how much battery I had at all. :) | 19:05 |
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| ex-parrot | abortretryfail: I just wedged a thermal pad in there. the gap is definitely wider than ideal but it seems to help | 23:20 |
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| abortretryfail | not a bad idea | 23:58 |
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