| sevan | maybe the trackball module could be given more responsibilites https://cowlark.com/2021-02-16-fuzix-pi-pico/ | 00:20 |
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| minute | sevan: oh nice... this could be interesting for pocket | 01:05 |
| - mjw (QUIT: Ping timeout: 260 seconds) (~mjw@i689717EB.versanet.de) | 01:10 | |
| ex-parrot | josch: yeah I noticed the same | 01:44 |
| ex-parrot | (re the oled) | 01:44 |
| ex-parrot | are you ready for me to test the d-i image? | 01:45 |
| ex-parrot | will it install reform tools etc, or just a vanilla debian? | 01:48 |
| ex-parrot | not that the official system images are especially far away from vanilla either | 01:49 |
| ex-parrot | minute: I am getting a 404 from https://shop.mntre.com/spree/products/390/product/rcm4_bpi_-_brighter.jpg?1685550782 | 01:53 |
| - mtm (QUIT: Ping timeout: 260 seconds) (~mtm@c-71-228-84-213.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) | 02:02 | |
| sevan | minute: cool :) | 02:04 |
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| + Boostisbetter (4a410829d7@irc.cheogram.com) | 06:47 | |
| + bgs (~bgs@212-85-160-171.dynamic.telemach.net) | 07:20 | |
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| josch | ex-parrot: this is the script that truns a vanilla debian netboot installer into one that works with the reform: https://salsa.debian.org/reform-team/reform-debian-installer/-/blob/main/run.sh | 08:14 |
| josch | the main things it changes are to enable the reform.d.n repository from which it installs the patched kernel | 08:15 |
| josch | and the reform-tools package as well as the hooks you see in that script do the rest | 08:15 |
| Boostisbetter | minute: did you see the follow up video from Louis where he is talking about them trying to get him to delete his video? That is nail in the coffin kind of stuff right there. | 08:47 |
| josch | Boostisbetter: who is "them"? | 09:01 |
| Boostisbetter | josch: names weren't mentioned but they work at Purism. | 09:02 |
| josch | ah kk | 09:02 |
| - noam (QUIT: Ping timeout: 260 seconds) (81879d1ffa@2604:bf00:561:2000::dfc) | 09:02 | |
| josch | when they told me that they cannot give me my money because of the ongoing case with the state attourney of california I just opened another case with the state attourney of california | 09:03 |
| josch | if they tell you to delete the video -- just make another video :) | 09:03 |
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| Boostisbetter | josch: yep. What did you order? The L5? | 09:18 |
| Boostisbetter | josch: also why do you have a Bluetooth Adapter in your Reform? Doesn't your wifi card have Bluetooth as well? | 09:19 |
| + MajorBiscuit (~MajorBisc@c-001-028-006.client.tudelft.eduvpn.nl) | 09:22 | |
| josch | Boostisbetter: yes, my partner ordered a L5 for $649 in 2019. We now have a child and life without a smartphone would've been really difficult so we bought a fairphone instead. | 09:24 |
| josch | Boostisbetter: no, my wifi card does not have bluetooth | 09:24 |
| josch | Boostisbetter: also, the bluetooth adapter i have is this one https://en.creative.com/p/sound-blaster/creative-bluetooth-audio-bt-w2-usb-transceiver | 09:25 |
| - MajorBiscuit (QUIT: Client Quit) (~MajorBisc@c-001-028-006.client.tudelft.eduvpn.nl) | 09:25 | |
| josch | Boostisbetter: it shows up to the computer as a usb sound card but talk to the headphones via bluetooth | 09:25 |
| josch | that way, it avoids having to manage bluetooth in software | 09:25 |
| + MajorBiscuit (~MajorBisc@145.90.38.199) | 09:32 | |
| Boostisbetter | That is nice! | 09:35 |
| Boostisbetter | I have a fairphone as well running /e/ | 09:35 |
| Boostisbetter | So Bluetooth in your case is really just a headphone Audio interface. Important for when you need to be quiet. You never want to wake a sleeping child. Hahaha! | 09:37 |
| josch | :) | 09:39 |
| ex-parrot | josch: thanks for the link, makes sense | 10:21 |
| ex-parrot | I am using my reform to do some work currently but I will try this installer image in the next day or two | 10:21 |
| josch | cool! | 10:21 |
| ex-parrot | :D | 10:22 |
| ex-parrot | I just installed the newest kernel image from the repo | 10:22 |
| josch | i'd love to integrate any feedback into the page :) | 10:22 |
| josch | yeah, there was a small stable update to linux | 10:22 |
| ex-parrot | I look fwd to trying it out | 10:22 |
| josch | but it only affects amd64 | 10:22 |
| ex-parrot | ah right, was it the zenbleed patch? I was looking in the changelog but it wasn't super cler | 10:22 |
| ex-parrot | clear | 10:22 |
| josch | yes | 10:22 |
| ex-parrot | good-o | 10:23 |
| ex-parrot | I am just trying to get my modified NTC CHIP boards working at the moment, using the Reform to build u-boot and a kernel for them | 10:23 |
| ex-parrot | I swapped out the cruddy MLC NAND for a smaller SLC one that u-boot / Linux actually supports | 10:24 |
| ex-parrot | has anyone had a go at making grub work on the Reform? | 10:27 |
| josch | ex-parrot: i think bkeys was playing around with EFI on the reform | 10:32 |
| ex-parrot | I tried to load the arm64 efi grub from u-boot just for fun but it didn't get very far | 10:32 |
| minute | Boostisbetter: yes, i just watched it | 10:34 |
| ex-parrot | so my USB-C to Reform adapter died after not very long | 10:36 |
| ex-parrot | which I think someone predicted | 10:36 |
| ex-parrot | it just cycles on / off now sadly | 10:36 |
| minute | oh :/ why do these die? | 10:36 |
| ex-parrot | I don't know, it just seems to be common wisdom | 10:37 |
| ex-parrot | I think I might try and make my own and make it more robust | 10:37 |
| ex-parrot | it was a cheap AliExpress USB-C to Thinkpad adapter that I cut the Thinkpad plug off and soldered a barrel jack on to | 10:37 |
| minute | Boostisbetter: i found it interesting to hear some numbers, i.e. 700 (?) refunds | 10:40 |
| + mjw (~mjw@i689717EB.versanet.de) | 10:40 | |
| Boostisbetter | minute: 600 | 10:41 |
| josch | ex-parrot: instead of cutting off the thinkpad plug you can also build a small adapter from thinkpad to 5521 barrel jack using this: https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/TE-Connectivity-AMP/1-2129458-1/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMvh4ezHM5rsUnnYoiJy15%2fFYgMN2K0ORfhee0H1Jgyhog%3d%3d | 10:41 |
| minute | ex-parrot: where's the source of that 404 link? | 10:41 |
| ex-parrot | one of the product images while I was browsing around the new site | 10:42 |
| Boostisbetter | minute: still the lengths they went to justify just not telling the truth was astounding. | 10:42 |
| ex-parrot | let me see if I can find it again | 10:42 |
| ex-parrot | ah yep on https://shop.mntre.com/products/mnt-reform | 10:42 |
| ex-parrot | screenshot https://img.hotplate.co.nz/TNmF9F7o5Q | 10:44 |
| minute | ex-parrot: ah dang, thanks | 10:54 |
| minute | time for a regular link spider | 10:54 |
| ex-parrot | yay my trashpicked NAND works | 11:36 |
| mjw | minute, I think you should also add that last MNT Update as a crowdsupply update, not all backers will know to check the mntre.com website for news. | 11:56 |
| minute | mjw: for sure, that's planned, it's just a more complicated process. also we sent it out to like 2300 people via email | 12:39 |
| minute | mjw: posting on CS always needs to go through CS team | 12:39 |
| mjw | great! Just hoping that even more people hear the gospel. :) | 12:50 |
| minute | on the CS update we want to include some more details about the weight-reduced pocket reform chassis, but we're not 100% happy with it yet | 12:54 |
| Boostisbetter | minute: weight reduction is OK but just remember that the weight of the Reform makes it feel like quality. I don't mind chonky for quality. 😂 | 13:30 |
| - mjw (QUIT: Ping timeout: 245 seconds) (~mjw@i689717EB.versanet.de) | 13:32 | |
| minute | Boostisbetter: we know that! | 13:35 |
| Boostisbetter | minute: wunderbar! | 13:35 |
| - mtm (QUIT: Ping timeout: 246 seconds) (~mtm@c-71-228-84-213.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) | 14:02 | |
| Boostisbetter | minute: do you have a rough idea on when pockets will be shipping? Understand of course that I know that anything you say can change quite drastically just based on a whole slew of other things. Just curious if you have any idea at this point? The prototypes that have been in media and all look dynamite and just really great. | 14:18 |
| minute | Boostisbetter: ok so right now it looks like the longest wait is for the imx8mplus modules from laird, they have 24 week lead time (minimum) | 14:19 |
| minute | i think we paid them like a month ago? | 14:19 |
| minute | few weeks ago anyay | 14:19 |
| minute | anyway | 14:19 |
| minute | in the meantime we want to finish any necessary polishing and then order PCBs | 14:19 |
| minute | i think the case design will be final next month | 14:20 |
| Boostisbetter | minute: with the SoC lead time looking like that, then yeah absolutely! Why note? I think that is a great idea to try to make it better and better while you wait. | 14:20 |
| Boostisbetter | minute: one other question, if the pocket is using the imx8 that the Reform is using, would standby be the same situation? (Ie: working but not stable) | 14:21 |
| minute | it's not using the same one | 14:21 |
| minute | it's using the imx8mplus | 14:21 |
| minute | they have a quite different architecture, especially about power management | 14:21 |
| Boostisbetter | minute: but if could use the same one right? | 14:21 |
| minute | ah, yes. | 14:22 |
| minute | i initially tested it with the original imx8mq module | 14:22 |
| Boostisbetter | ok, standby is just important to me, and I am just kind of getting a picture. | 14:22 |
| Boostisbetter | I'm interested in the plus of course, so I'm not worried abotu putting my Reform's SoC in there. | 14:23 |
| minute | ok. i will work on debugging suspend on that also next month | 14:24 |
| Boostisbetter | minute: thank you very much! Please don't stress about it. I'm happy about the Pocket and Reform as is. I know that suspend is possible, and that eventually it will work. | 14:34 |
| Boostisbetter | I was noticing about how I am not whining about the lack of suspend on the Penkesu, and this is because it is just not possible there. | 14:36 |
| + mjw (~mjw@i689717EB.versanet.de) | 15:21 | |
| + murphnj (~murph@user/murphnj) | 16:06 | |
| + mtm (~mtm@c-71-228-84-213.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) | 16:08 | |
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| - MajorBiscuit (QUIT: Ping timeout: 260 seconds) (~MajorBisc@145.90.38.199) | 17:24 | |
| Boostisbetter | I think I am going to sell my Librem 5 if anyone here is interested. | 17:25 |
| Boostisbetter | Real happy with my Reform though. | 17:25 |
| dozens | one day i will have a reform | 17:32 |
| dozens | ACTION waits patiently | 17:32 |
| Boostisbetter | it'll be worth it dozens | 17:52 |
| Boostisbetter | josch: did you get a pocket? I think I remember you saying it wasn't your thing. | 17:53 |
| Boostisbetter | I am asking becuase I was referring your adding a lte thread on the forum, and it is just cool how much stuff you added to your Reform. | 17:53 |
| Boostisbetter | I'm curious if how much could be added to a Pocket Reform. | 17:53 |
| dozens | i got a pocket | 17:54 |
| Boostisbetter | Nice! | 17:56 |
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| - Boostisbetter (QUIT: Ping timeout: 246 seconds) (4a410829d7@irc.cheogram.com) | 18:13 | |
| unixpoet | I think I'm going to want to see the dimensions of the hypothetical thin Reform before deciding which to get | 18:16 |
| + bgs (~bgs@212-85-160-171.dynamic.telemach.net) | 18:17 | |
| dozens | just get bigger pockets | 18:20 |
| dozens | cargo shorts pocket reform | 18:20 |
| + Boostisbetter (4a410829d7@irc.cheogram.com) | 18:22 | |
| unixpoet | it's not about carrying it, it's about haptics. I'm pretty sensitive to how devices feel to use. I used to have an 11" MacBook Air and it was a delight to use for hacking on a remote machine | 18:22 |
| dozens | gotcha | 18:23 |
| dozens | i loved my small macbook | 18:23 |
| + reform30156 (~committed@p4ff4578a.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) | 18:24 | |
| reform30156 | can someone recommend an IRC client for the Reform, that has a GUI? I am using cheogram to bridge to IRC from XMPP and I am having issues as of late. I figure it would just be easier to use IRC directly. | 18:25 |
| - reform30156 (QUIT: Client Quit) (~committed@p4ff4578a.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) | 18:26 | |
| + bkeys (~Thunderbi@static-198-54-130-101.cust.tzulo.com) | 18:27 | |
| vkoskiv | I generally run irc on a server, because it's not stateful | 18:29 |
| unixpoet | they quit already | 18:29 |
| vkoskiv | So unless your reform is online 24/7, you'll miss messages | 18:29 |
| vkoskiv | oof, I disabled those messages :D | 18:29 |
| Boostisbetter | nah it is me | 18:29 |
| unixpoet | the entire amount of time between their joining, asking their question, and leaving: two minutes | 18:29 |
| Boostisbetter | my xmpp client came back up | 18:29 |
| unixpoet | oh, heh. maybe hexchat? | 18:29 |
| minute | Boostisbetter: hexchat, pidgin? | 18:29 |
| Boostisbetter | pidgin is still a thing? | 18:30 |
| unixpoet | yes | 18:30 |
| vkoskiv | Another fun IRC phenomenon - Joining a channel, and having no idea if the last message happened 2 minutes or 17 years ago | 18:30 |
| unixpoet | maybe if you have timestamps disabled | 18:30 |
| unixpoet | oh, sorry, misread, sorry | 18:31 |
| Boostisbetter | yeah, with xmpp bridging to IRC, you tend to get all of that. | 18:32 |
| Boostisbetter | well not the state messages, but I don't miss conversations. | 18:32 |
| Boostisbetter | I am logged in via conversations on my phone so it is connected 24/7 for the most part. | 18:32 |
| unixpoet | fwiw, znc is pretty lightweight, if you want a bouncer. should have no problem running it on a tiny aarch64 machine, along with an irssi or whatever | 18:32 |
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| - bkeys (QUIT: Ping timeout: 246 seconds) (~Thunderbi@static-198-54-130-101.cust.tzulo.com) | 18:34 | |
| * bkeys1 -> bkeys | 18:34 | |
| Boostisbetter | hmmm, I think I'll just stick to bridging with cheogram. I need to just find a place that talks about its status when there are connectivity issues. | 18:35 |
| + bkeys1 (~Thunderbi@199.226-24.cm.ptn.tftn.dynamic.friendlycity.net) | 18:35 | |
| - bkeys (QUIT: Ping timeout: 260 seconds) (~Thunderbi@static-198-54-130-101.cust.tzulo.com) | 18:38 | |
| * bkeys1 -> bkeys | 18:38 | |
| + bkeys1 (~Thunderbi@199.226-24.cm.ptn.tftn.dynamic.friendlycity.net) | 18:43 | |
| - bkeys (QUIT: Ping timeout: 260 seconds) (~Thunderbi@199.226-24.cm.ptn.tftn.dynamic.friendlycity.net) | 18:45 | |
| * bkeys1 -> bkeys | 18:45 | |
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| Boostisbetter | But i have written down all of the suggestions here in case I get tired of it again, and move to something more of a dedicated IRC client. | 18:54 |
| josch | Boostisbetter: the pocket reform is really nice but for me it's a luxery item and not a necessity. The strength for me in the pocket would be in the ability to have mobile internet while outside but since my partner has a smartphone i usually can look up stuff easily if needed. | 18:56 |
| josch | bkeys: i think it was you who tried to get EFI working, right? | 19:01 |
| josch | bkeys: ex-parrot was trying something similar today and didn't get it to work -- maybe you have more input? | 19:01 |
| Boostisbetter | josch: I think that makes sense. It seems like smaller computers are more niche than they should be. I think the Reform in general is a great size. It straddles an 11" footprint and I love that. It seems like laptop design in the 90s was really well done, especially after the thinkpads were released. | 19:03 |
| bkeys | josch: I'm not sure I haven't tried in a while | 19:24 |
| bkeys | I got really close then gave up. My eMMC won't clear (if you remember) | 19:24 |
| bkeys | I made the terrible mistake of running saveenv | 19:24 |
| Boostisbetter | does the wifi card sold with the Reform from the MNT store have Bluetooth as well? | 19:32 |
| Boostisbetter | or did I just assume this and it is not the case? | 19:35 |
| Boostisbetter | also did the Gnome-command-center get deprevated with recent updates? It doesn't seem to open anymore. | 19:35 |
| minute | Boostisbetter: it does not | 19:37 |
| minute | Boostisbetter: i mean, the wifi card is wifi only | 19:38 |
| sknebel | (I dont remember: does the wifi card slot have usb connected? since a bunch of cards use that for bluetooth afaik) | 19:40 |
| Boostisbetter | minute: ok, good to know, I can use a tiny little bluetooth dongle that will barely protrude from a USB port. Do you think something like that will mess with resuming from Standby more? | 19:43 |
| Boostisbetter | minute: also do you know if there is a key command to type German characters? I'm thinking the key to the left of the a key could do something like that. | 19:46 |
| + bkeys1 (~Thunderbi@199.226-24.cm.ptn.tftn.dynamic.friendlycity.net) | 19:59 | |
| - bkeys (QUIT: Ping timeout: 244 seconds) (~Thunderbi@199.226-24.cm.ptn.tftn.dynamic.friendlycity.net) | 20:00 | |
| * bkeys1 -> bkeys | 20:00 | |
| vkoskiv | At Assembly, I hook my reform up to the partynet, and avahi-daemon takes up 25-30% CPU just dealing with all the traffic happening | 20:04 |
| vkoskiv | I'll just uhh, go ahead and turn that off for the time being :D | 20:04 |
| vkoskiv | assembly organizing owns big ranges of ipv4, so every node in the party network here has a unique ip on the internet! | 21:13 |
| - bkeys (QUIT: Ping timeout: 260 seconds) (~Thunderbi@199.226-24.cm.ptn.tftn.dynamic.friendlycity.net) | 21:16 | |
| minute | Boostisbetter: yep, the key on the left to a is "menu", but can be mapped to compose | 21:21 |
| minute | Boostisbetter: i'm using right alt (altgr) for that though | 21:21 |
| minute | Boostisbetter: i'm using `xkb_layout eu` in my sway and wayfire configs | 21:22 |
| minute | Boostisbetter: then you get the umlauts and ß with right alt + a o u s | 21:23 |
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| Boostisbetter | ahh ok, thanks! | 21:24 |
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| vkoskiv | Hmm, for now I've been just hitting compose+"+{a,o} to get umlauts | 21:45 |
| vkoskiv | altgr sounds more convenient | 21:45 |
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