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| pandora[m] | <josch> "i'm now draining them to zero..." <- Don’t do that! U will damage them! Cycle ur batteries and then match them by capacity | 05:40 |
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| josch | pandora[m]: hm? what do you mean? | 06:43 |
| josch | how will getting down to zero damage my cells? | 06:45 |
| pandora[m] | https://community.mnt.re/t/battery-is-not-charging/270/63 | 07:22 |
| pandora[m] | U start to change the battery chemically | 07:22 |
| josch | pandora[m]: how is this post relevant to my situation? My cells never were reversed and never under 2.5 V. | 07:26 |
| JC[m] | I was typing out a response regarding the dangers of exceeding the recommended depth charge for certain battery chemistries, but now I'm confused. You mentioned "getting down to zero" where I assume you mean 0V, but now I see that they didn't go under 2.5V. I haven't caught up on this thread in a while, so maybe I'm missing some context. | 07:28 |
| josch | my problem was, that my reform switched off when the oled display still showed 35% charge remaining | 07:30 |
| josch | at that point, two of my cells were down to 2.7 and 2.5 V, respectively while the rest was at 3.2 V | 07:30 |
| JC[m] | Oh ok, sounds typical with my experience. | 07:31 |
| JC[m] | Haven't experimented lately, though. | 07:32 |
| josch | so i replaced those two cells and tried getting back to zero | 07:32 |
| josch | which worked! | 07:32 |
| JC[m] | The references to zero (assuming 0V) is the concerning part. It's good if you can resuscitate the batteries (hence my post in the thread linked above) but generally comes with a long list of hazards, so it's not good practice to deplete them too low if it can be avoided. | 07:37 |
| josch | oh | 07:38 |
| josch | i didn't mean 0 V | 07:38 |
| josch | i meant 0 % | 07:38 |
| josch | as i mentioned here yesterday, the lowest volatage was 2.5 V | 07:39 |
| JC[m] | Ok cool | 07:39 |
| JC[m] | Just had the ! go off during passive scrolling lol | 07:39 |
| josch | i also have the new battery boards, so my cells shouldn't go down too far anyways | 07:40 |
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| pandora[m] | Oh sorry I thought u meant 0V | 09:44 |
| pandora[m] | It sounds that two of ur cells just degraded quicker than the other ones. It is still best to measure the capacity and re-match them to get consistent readings. | 09:49 |
| pandora[m] | If u use cells with different capacities,their voltage will collapse at different times and u will have a laptop that shuts off above 0% | 09:49 |
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| noam | I plugged in the reform last night, unplugged it this morning, and it failed to turn on [system controller was looping]. okay, fine, plugged it in, checked the battery levels and >6V overall | 15:00 |
| noam | :( | 15:00 |
| noam | Guessing the batteries were like this last night and I didn't notice :/ | 15:01 |
| abortretryfail | I wonder if I should stock up on spares. These are very cheap. https://batteryhookup.com/products/copy-of-100-a123-18650-apr18650m1b-1100mah-lifepo4-batteries-new | 15:03 |
| noam | O_o | 15:05 |
| noam | I was just looking for new ones and couldn't find any *anywhere* | 15:05 |
| noam | Do you know for sure that those are legit? | 15:05 |
| noam | Because the pricing isn't just "cheap", it's "implausibly cheap" | 15:05 |
| abortretryfail | They're a surplus/auction house. Everything they sell is cheap but odds are it won't be there in a week or two. | 15:06 |
| noam | Ahhh okay | 15:08 |
| noam | O_O https://batteryhookup.com/products/300-pounds-of-modem-batteries-2400-18650-cells-13 | 15:08 |
| abortretryfail | The medical CR2032s I got there worked. | 15:08 |
| noam | Could bid on 300 sets of reform batteries O_o | 15:08 |
| minute | these look cool, just 1100 mah is a bit smol capacityt | 15:08 |
| abortretryfail | Yeah, the kind of thing that gets to put into service and then changed out on a schedule regardless of how it wears | 15:08 |
| noam | They claim you can reasonably expect >90% of those to work | 15:08 |
| noam | minute: yeah, but given that it's impossible to find *any* anywhere else... | 15:08 |
| abortretryfail | minute: yeah, not great for long run time. I think they're for high current applications, but it's so cheap i kinda want to get some just to have extras lol | 15:08 |
| minute | for the "modem batteries" i don't see chemistry? perhaps not lifepo? | 15:09 |
| minute | https://www.batteryspace.com/LiFePO4-18650-Rechargeable-Cell-3.2V-1800-mAh.aspx | 15:10 |
| minute | this says "in stock" | 15:10 |
| minute | 1800 mah, no tabs | 15:10 |
| minute | noam: which country do you need the batteries in? | 15:10 |
| noam | USA | 15:12 |
| abortretryfail | those modem batteries are probably Li-Ion. Tbh i think they expect the target market knows what to look for and how to test them. | 15:15 |
| abortretryfail | I've been salvaging cells from old laptop and power tool packs for a while now and I use them in all my flashlights and a few USB chargers and stuff for radios | 15:16 |
| minute | noam: so batteryspace should be fine then | 15:22 |
| abortretryfail | ^ good plan. :) | 15:36 |
| noam | Voltage is slowly going up... | 15:38 |
| noam | ACTION crosses fingers | 15:38 |
| noam | It's at ~9V now, was at ~5V when I plugged it in ~30 minutes ago | 15:38 |
| + mark_ (~mjw@gnu.wildebeest.org) | 15:40 | |
| noam | I... I'm kinda worried this might be a battery connection problem, again :/ | 15:42 |
| abortretryfail | Hopefully it's a loose connection and not a cell with an internal short | 15:44 |
| noam | The only other battery issue I had was a trace on the board that fried due to a loose screw shorting it | 15:45 |
| noam | It's... possible the solder job there wasn't good enough, and came undone? | 15:45 |
| noam | I'll need to check | 15:45 |
| abortretryfail | oh... uh, maybe don't charge any batteries with that machine until you have checked for damaged components. | 15:46 |
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| - mark_ (QUIT: Ping timeout: 260 seconds) (~mjw@gnu.wildebeest.org) | 16:07 | |
| noam | ...that's probably a good idea | 16:08 |
| + mtm (~mtm@c-71-228-84-213.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) | 16:08 | |
| minute | josch: we're working on porting neo2 to kbdv3 and wondering about alt+mod4 placements. should these be there? https://chat.mnt.re/files/7a31k3jtktnuxrar1zaja4jpkr/public?h=7sXxIBLGkQSusI5IHVWONac7h7MJkFXlzppnfzsvjyk | 17:11 |
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| + cwebber (~user@user/cwebber) | 18:15 | |
| violet | going into the buildroot abyss to try and get vulkan working on my iMX8M lol | 18:17 |
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| + mark_ (~mjw@gnu.wildebeest.org) | 18:28 | |
| violet | muahaha i have the userspace blob and the kernel module code | 18:58 |
| violet | i am wondering if maybe i can get hwaccel in firefox to work with this + zink | 19:00 |
| minute | violet: you want to use the vendor kernel? | 19:10 |
| minute | violet: do they have mnt reform2 dtb? | 19:10 |
| violet | hell no im not gonna use the vendor kernel | 19:10 |
| violet | xD | 19:11 |
| minute | violet: you want to port the vivante kernel driver to mainline? | 19:11 |
| minute | i wonder how (in)compatible it is | 19:11 |
| violet | they have a module that maybe builds against mainline allegedly | 19:11 |
| minute | oh? :0 | 19:11 |
| violet | im about to find out | 19:11 |
| violet | i dont remember how to build kernel modules though so i gotta remember how to do that | 19:12 |
| minute | make modules | 19:12 |
| violet | no i mean for an out of tree module lol | 19:12 |
| minute | or with out of tree something with make M=... | 19:12 |
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| violet | aw darn a bit of it compiled but not all of it | 19:18 |
| violet | gc_hal_kernel_allocator_gfp.c:774:19: error: assignment of read-only member ‘vm_flags’ | 19:18 |
| violet | grrrr | 19:18 |
| violet | well maybe i can figure out how to fix it later | 19:19 |
| violet | oh wait i didnt notice there are other branches on this git | 19:20 |
| minute | violet: plan a day or two for it :D | 19:20 |
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| + klardotsh (~klardotsh@98.97.112.82) | 20:11 | |
| violet | grrr. requires busfreq-imx | 20:16 |
| violet | *considers using vendor kernel* they are on 6.1, not the worst thing | 20:18 |
| violet | way better than rockchip >.> but i do not like using vendor kernels usually | 20:19 |
| minute | here be dragons | 20:22 |
| violet | how bad could it be | 20:34 |
| violet | update: driver theft is hard i am not going to try and extract the busfreq driver | 20:47 |
| violet | not now anyway | 20:48 |
| violet | maybe i will try vendor kernel later but i do not want to think about dtbs today | 20:49 |
| josch | minute: those key placements look good, thank you! | 20:58 |
| minute | josch: cool, thanks! | 20:59 |
| josch | minute: you expect that one of your two neo2 customers will buy a kbdv3? ;) | 21:01 |
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| noam | The heck? | 23:14 |
| noam | It claims to be using power while off | 23:14 |
| noam | might explain how the cells all got damaged | 23:14 |
| noam | or might be a symptom :/ | 23:14 |
| noam | going to need to test each cell with a multimeter or something to get a baseline | 23:14 |
| noam | and then probably use a circuit tester to make sure the battery boards are in good shape | 23:15 |
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| ex-parrot | hello noam | 23:22 |
| + buckket (~buckket@vps.buckket.org) | 23:22 | |
| ex-parrot | oh nm, someone ele already made the same comment I was gonna | 23:23 |
| ex-parrot | as you were | 23:23 |
| noam | Hm? | 23:25 |
| noam | Ah, lemme guess | 23:25 |
| noam | "Maybe don't charge it?" | 23:25 |
| noam | minute: the batteries you linked are in stock, but only *barely*. | 23:41 |
| noam | Looks like they have exactly _seventeen cells_ in stock | 23:42 |
| abortretryfail | noam: you see it has a current draw even when powered off? | 23:52 |
| noam | The system controller reports one | 23:56 |
| noam | In the brief seconds before the voltage plummets too low and it shuts off entirely | 23:56 |
| noam | [I had it plugged in earlier, then decided that was stupid and unplugged it] | 23:57 |
| noam | [after unplugging it, it reported a current draw of ~0.03A while entirely unpowered] | 23:57 |
| noam | And: first cell tested reports a voltage of ~1V. | 23:57 |
| noam | sooooo yeah | 23:57 |
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| noam | yieks | 23:58 |
| noam | the others are even worse :( | 23:58 |
| noam | 0.9, 0.8, and 0.73V O_O | 23:58 |
| noam | ah. annnnd 0.05V on one of them. Yeah, this is Bad. | 23:59 |
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