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| pandora[m] | <Boostisbetter> "Anyone here know for about how..." <- U can’t really know. As soon as Bad sectors are seen it’s already too late and it will go into read only mode or start to rapidly fail | 01:21 |
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| pandora[m] | There is no general health information available. It’s all handled internally by the sd card an not exposed publicly | 01:24 |
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| ex-parrot | Ahhhh my upgrade parts arrived | 02:05 |
| ex-parrot | I am recovering from | 02:05 |
| ex-parrot | Surgery so it’s going to be a few weeks before I install them | 02:05 |
| ex-parrot | But I am | 02:05 |
| ex-parrot | Super excited | 02:05 |
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| noam | Days between building and breaking my Reform: eight | 03:49 |
| sl | what did you do? | 03:49 |
| noam | Not broken broken, I'm fixing it tonight, but I'm clearly an idiot | 03:49 |
| noam | Overtightened a mobo screw | 03:50 |
| noam | It popped out and shorted one of the battery boards | 03:50 |
| sl | eee | 03:50 |
| noam | Fried one of the traces | 03:50 |
| sl | one (1) of the screws on my mb kept falling out | 03:50 |
| noam | Only one of the two battery boards is connected right now | 03:50 |
| sl | it never caused damage though | 03:50 |
| noam | the OLED shows battery status fine | 03:50 |
| noam | er | 03:50 |
| noam | mostly fine >_> | 03:50 |
| noam | but... yeah | 03:50 |
| sl | very disconcerting to pull out the reform and hear that loose screw sound, though | 03:50 |
| noam | yeah, I left it with a loose screw sound for three days because, uh - it's just a loose screw, right? It's not *good*, but it's probably not a *big deal* | 03:51 |
| noam | and then suddenly I smell burning | 03:51 |
| noam | burning rubber* | 03:51 |
| sl | needs more blue goo | 03:51 |
| noam | Might have fried one of the batteries, though I'm not going to find out until after I fix the board ofc | 03:51 |
| sl | i wonder if this is caused by flexing of the keyboard without the support rail | 03:52 |
| sl | i just ordered a replacement set of batteries from the uk because they're not available domestically; shipping is prohibitively expensive but i did it anyway. | 03:52 |
| sl | the alternative is china | 03:53 |
| noam | where are you at that they're not available? US? | 03:53 |
| sl | yeah | 03:53 |
| sl | everybody's sold out | 03:54 |
| noam | I mean, I know everybody in the US has sold out | 03:55 |
| noam | but I dunno what that has to do with the battery supply | 03:55 |
| noam | (sorry, I couldn't resist >_>) | 03:55 |
| sl | wheeeee | 03:55 |
| noam | I'm going to just solder the trace and cover it with electrical tape | 03:55 |
| noam | it's fiiiiiine | 03:55 |
| sl | real computing! | 03:56 |
| sl | i have bought someone's used reform that has some problems, so i may be breaking out the soldering iron soon as well. | 03:58 |
| noam | nice :) | 04:00 |
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| noam | wooo | 04:49 |
| noam | all batteries reporting 3.2V | 04:50 |
| noam | that was pretty easy :) | 04:50 |
| sl | yay! | 04:50 |
| sl | i found a charger with eight slots, but i haven't tried it yet | 04:50 |
| sl | it can do other types of batteries, too | 04:50 |
| noam | Only problem is I'm still missing a mobo screw :/ | 04:52 |
| noam | can't just put it back in | 04:52 |
| noam | it's *going* to pop out if I do | 04:52 |
| noam | might need to repair the aluminium somehow | 04:53 |
| sl | i can't remember what the blue goo is called | 04:53 |
| sl | it's supposed to help hold them in | 04:53 |
| noam | maybe take everything out, fill in that slot, recreate the thread | 04:53 |
| noam | Definitely fine as long as I don't carry it anywhere, for now | 04:59 |
| noam | but... part of the POINT is to have it be my portable one | 04:59 |
| sl | this was my struggle as well. awkwardly shaped for all my carrying options. | 04:59 |
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| sl | good night | 05:06 |
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| noam | ...not what I meant but I can't explain that *now* :P | 05:15 |
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| noam | minute: another silly question: the charge controller's max rated input is 55V. Could the reform be patched to support 3.7V batteries by "just" swapping some resistors controlling the LPC's behavior? | 06:40 |
| noam | If I'mr eading the datasheet right, would probably "just" need to replace the feedback resistors from V sub BAT to V sub FB to ground? | 06:46 |
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| noam | Wait, where did I see that it used that charge controller??? | 06:58 |
| noam | Did I just totally hallucinate that? O_o | 06:58 |
| noam | aha, nope, handbook mentions it! > Either wall or battery power will be regulated to ~29V by the buck-boost regulator/charger LTC4020 | 07:00 |
| noam | ...okay, but my hand is *definitely* not steady enough to actually try that, those resistors are *tiny* | 07:06 |
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| Boostisbetter | It would be cool if the charge controller could switch between standard 3.7V and 3.2V batteries. On the flip side, using normal lithium batteries could result in some fire risks that are very dangerous. The Lifepo batteries are far more stable in that regard. | 08:39 |
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| austriancoder | I am trying to build the mnt reform system image and with https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-system-image/-/tree/main/reform2-imx8mq and mkimage.fails with | 12:04 |
| austriancoder | + /usr/lib/apt/apt-helper download-file 'https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-boundary-uboot/-/jobs/artifacts/2023-01-25/raw/flash.bin?job=build' flash.bin SHA1:9d1eacedd8ea32284395bdfed05d112a1c445815 | 12:04 |
| austriancoder | Err:1 https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-boundary-uboot/-/jobs/artifacts/2023-01-25/raw/flash.bin?job=build | 12:04 |
| austriancoder | 404 Not Found [IP: 49.13.21.45 443] | 12:04 |
| austriancoder | any hint? | 12:04 |
| austriancoder | refrom-check has the same problem | 12:26 |
| sevan | is your reform-check utility up to date? | 12:49 |
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| * bkeys1 -> bkeys | 16:40 | |
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| josch | minute: austriancoder found a problem that probably originated with you moving the source.mnt.re server. The latest artifacts are not available anymore see here: https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-boundary-uboot/-/jobs/1105 | 18:07 |
| josch | minute: It says on the right "These artifacts are the latest. They will not be deleted (even if expired) until newer artifacts are available." but then there is nothing to download. | 18:08 |
| josch | This the reform utilities trying to download latest uboot show a 404 | 18:08 |
| Boostisbetter | does anybody know if Jack Hummbert is going to be selling the orthogonal keyboards for the Reform anytime soon, I would LOVE to swap to something like that. But that is not to say that the Reforms staggered keyboard is bad. It is a very good keyboard as well. | 18:35 |
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| josch | minute: maybe you can try re-running the job? Maybe that will re-create the artfifacts and make them available under the old URL with the git tag? | 18:52 |
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| noam | Boostisbetter: oh, great point, totally forgot for a second that there was a good reason the voltage is lower >_> | 19:32 |
| austriancoder | sevan: hard to tell.. does it come packaged as a dpkg? | 19:50 |
| josch | austriancoder: the problem is not the reform-check utility | 19:52 |
| josch | austriancoder: the problem is on the side of source.mnt.re | 19:53 |
| - mjw (QUIT: Ping timeout: 240 seconds) (~mjw@89.205.132.29) | 19:54 | |
| austriancoder | josch: that's what I think too.. I navigated around the gitlab instance and had multiple problems downloading build artifacts. I just wanted to answer sevan's question :) | 19:56 |
| josch | austriancoder: the reform-check utility should be installed on your machine as part of the reform-tools package (i wrote that script) | 19:56 |
| Boostisbetter | btw, what do you all think is the most stablest browser on the Reform? | 20:01 |
| Boostisbetter | So far Brave has been the most stable and compliant for me. | 20:01 |
| sigrid | mothra | 20:02 |
| Boostisbetter | never heard of that one, but I'll check it out. | 20:02 |
| Boostisbetter | josch: when using the 5.12 kernel I get weird graphical glitches in Dino on occasion. It doesn't happen on any other newer kernel. Any ideas if this is something that can be improved or if this is just a consequence of using an older kernel? | 20:03 |
| Boostisbetter | sigrid: does it work on Debian as well? | 20:04 |
| josch | I like lynx or links2 -g if I want to be fancy. | 20:04 |
| josch | Boostisbetter: this is very likely just a consequence of using the older kernel. | 20:04 |
| sigrid | Boostisbetter: unfortunately it's plan 9 only. it does not support css nor js | 20:04 |
| sigrid | you'l be very likely disappointed | 20:05 |
| sigrid | https://lemmy.sdf.org/pictrs/image/23072149-ed2a-4e81-bfd2-d7cb0092520c.png | 20:05 |
| josch | curl: (7) Failed to connect to lemmy.sdf.org port 443 after 1017 ms: Couldn't connect to server | 20:06 |
| sigrid | works for me *shrugs* | 20:07 |
| noam | sigrid: mothra is apparently emerging as the favorite browser among the "old computer challenge" folks, funnily enough :P | 20:07 |
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| noam | apparently, none of the other "low-tech" browsers are as good O-o | 20:07 |
| josch | sigrid: indeed it seems to depend on the location from which i'm trying to access it -- i have ssh access to some where it works :) | 20:08 |
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| minute | josch: 2023-01-25? | 20:24 |
| minute | rerunning that | 20:24 |
| josch | yes :) | 20:25 |
| Boostisbetter | Yeah I think I am going to fire Plan 9 up in a browser. I have been reading about it, and it really seems appealing. | 20:27 |
| noam | Warning: if you do end up liking the appeal, you'll probably want to cut out the "running in a browser" part :P | 20:31 |
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| noam | tangentially; What file system does the LPC expose? Curious if I can flash it from a 9 machine... | 20:32 |
| noam | ...why did I even ask when I can just try? >_> | 20:35 |
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| josch | minute: re-running the pipeline recreated the artifact -- unfortunately the checksum is different now XD | 20:53 |
| josch | minute: the build date seems to get embedded... :( | 20:54 |
| josch | we need to wait for vagrantc :) | 20:55 |
| josch | but even fixing this will not get the old binary back | 20:55 |
| - mjw (QUIT: Ping timeout: 250 seconds) (~mjw@89.205.132.29) | 21:03 | |
| josch | minute: i would suggest create a new no-changes tag after having solved the reproducibility problem with vagrant | 21:12 |
| josch | minute: even the hash of the files associated with the "release" changed: https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-boundary-uboot/-/releases/2023-01-25 | 21:17 |
| josch | so creating a release also would not've prevented this from happening | 21:17 |
| josch | the migration just made them 404 :( | 21:17 |
| josch | minute: unless you know a way of how to replace a gitlab artifact behind gitlab's back | 21:20 |
| josch | (because i still have uboot with the correct hash here locally) | 21:20 |
| + mjw (~mjw@gnu.wildebeest.org) | 21:25 | |
| minute | noam: FAT16 or 32 :D | 21:32 |
| minute | josch: i don't know :( | 21:33 |
| noam | Heh, thanks :) | 21:35 |
| austriancoder | josch: minute: would it make sense to use SOURCE_DATE_EPOCH in combination with git to get reproducible builds? Something like: SOURCE_DATE_EPOCH=$(git log -1 --pretty=%ct) | 21:42 |
| austriancoder | that should fix issues with embedded build/time information in binaries | 21:43 |
| austriancoder | https://reproducible-builds.org/docs/source-date-epoch/ | 21:43 |
| josch | austriancoder: we are doing this for the other CI jobs already -- just not for this one | 21:44 |
| josch | austriancoder: and adding this now doesn't bring back the broken release :( | 21:44 |
| josch | in reform-debian-packages we use SOURCE_DATE_EPOCH=$(git log -1 --format=%ct) | 21:45 |
| josch | so essentially what you proposed | 21:45 |
| josch | minute: https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-boundary-uboot/-/merge_requests/17 | 21:58 |
| josch | minute: if we had done this earlier, we could've recreated the artifact (assuming the gcc of the underlying system remained the same) | 21:59 |
| + klardotsh (~klardotsh@98.97.114.65) | 22:18 | |
| minute | josch: merged! what are the implications of the changed artifact now / what do we need to still do to heal it? | 22:23 |
| josch | i don't know a way to tell gitlab that it should serve a different artifact than the one that the pipeline just produced | 22:25 |
| josch | so maybe the best way forward is to create a new tag with an entirely new checksum | 22:25 |
| josch | and then make a new release out of that | 22:25 |
| josch | and then hope that gitlab doesn't throw artifacts away again :D | 22:25 |
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| minute | josch: ok, got it | 23:56 |
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