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| josch | what i'm learning from this video is, that there is enough space for an nvme connector *and* the drive and apple still decided to just solder the thing to the board instead of making it easily replacable... ugh... | 00:08 |
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| sevan | classy, huh :) | 00:10 |
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| sevan | edited /var/lib/dkms/zfs/2.1.12/source/META to set the license to GPL and now I am running with the 6.3 kernel and zfs | 01:34 |
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| Booster[m] | josch: this has been Apple's game from day one. The Mac could have been more and wasn't yet cost quadruple everything else. On the flipside an Amiga 1000 could run mac OS natively and cost 1/3 of the Mac. This sort of thing hasn't changed at all. Their hardware over priced, intentionally made to be as much of a black box as possible, and positioned to upgraded within 1 to 2 years. | 07:47 |
| Booster[m] | Apple cares nothing for anything other than money. | 07:47 |
| Booster[m] | Framework and MNT for life. | 07:47 |
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| vkoskiv_ | I was a lifelong PowerBook/Macbook fanatic and user, but seeing pictures of stacks and stacks of apple laptops going to recycling was just so disturbing to me. | 09:45 |
| vkoskiv_ | Perfectly good hardware, made obsolete in the name of profit. | 09:45 |
| vkoskiv_ | Now I *own* a reform, don't have to worry about planned obsolescence anymore. | 09:46 |
| josch | well... "recycling"... is anybody out there actually making new chips out of old chips? | 09:52 |
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| vkoskiv_ | Precisely the issue. | 10:37 |
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| Boostisbetter | well said vkoskiv! I'm sorry that it turned out that way because there are parts of early Apple that were really great. | 14:52 |
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| minute | new website (might need a reload if cached): https://mntre.com/index.html | 17:15 |
| Allie | minute: oh so pretty | 17:18 |
| minute | Allie: thanks! | 17:19 |
| josch | oh wow that must've been a crazy amount of work! | 17:20 |
| josch | this table is super useful: https://mntre.com/modularity.html | 17:20 |
| josch | the shop also has new photos! https://shop.mntre.com/products/mnt-reform | 17:21 |
| josch | nearly everything changed! wow | 17:24 |
| minute | yes, and will tweak further details next week | 17:25 |
| josch | i was kinda wondering why there haven't been many updates on mastodon recently but this explains -- pulling this off must've taken you weeks! | 17:27 |
| minute | took a little while! | 17:37 |
| Allie | entirely unrelatedly but this is the right group of people: is anyone aware of any ITX-format iMX8M systems? | 17:40 |
| Allie | (what i'd ideally be able to buy is the reform motherboard squished into itx) | 17:41 |
| minute | not that i am aware of | 17:42 |
| Boostisbetter | minute: great work on the site update and the quality of the pictures. I especially love the MNT product family picture. | 17:58 |
| minute | thanks! | 17:58 |
| mjw | Open Computing Autonomy | 17:58 |
| mjw | I like it | 17:58 |
| mjw | Is that a new phrase? | 17:58 |
| minute | yeah | 17:58 |
| minute | it's kind of a slogan of ours | 17:58 |
| mjw | It fits :) | 17:58 |
| minute | we also have a shirt :D https://shop.mntre.com/products/mnt-t-shirt-open-computing-autonomy?taxon_id=21 | 17:59 |
| mjw | O, nice. Will buy next time I order something. | 18:01 |
| mjw | O and Stickers | 18:01 |
| mjw | And a Toe Bag! | 18:02 |
| mjw | eh, Tote | 18:02 |
| mjw | minute, btw. The MNT Reform image is broken on some items. Like under https://shop.mntre.com/products/mnt-reform-ls1028a-module-preorder because 0200422-reform-hero.jpg doesn't exist (anymore?) | 18:07 |
| minute | mjw: true, maybe i have to clear some cache | 18:10 |
| + vagrantc (~vagrant@2600:3c01:e000:21:7:77:0:50) | 18:26 | |
| Boostisbetter | well minute and josch, I have a confession to make. I was thinking for a while now that the Librem 5 I have with a nexdock like dock that I didn't really need the Reform anymore. On top of that the Librem 5 has some real super solid suspend. However, what I am finding is that the Librem 5 is just much slower compared to the NVME enabled Reform, and that the Reform is just far more stable. I mean | 18:31 |
| Boostisbetter | far more stable. It is snappier and more stable. Outside of suspend. So while i wish the Librem 5 continued success, I am now firmly back in camp MNT. | 18:31 |
| Boostisbetter | and desperately looking forward to getting the Pocket. | 18:32 |
| minute | Boostisbetter: interesting. maybe the librem is also throttled to save heat+battery life? | 18:34 |
| minute | btw we never tried overclocking the imx8mq. i run the imx8mp overclocked all the time | 18:34 |
| sigrid | 9front has it running at 1.6GHz by default | 18:44 |
| sigrid | and iirc cinap tried up to 1.9 | 18:44 |
| sigrid | he said it was uncomfortably warm :) | 18:45 |
| minute | oh, why are we not overclocking on linux then :3 | 18:45 |
| Boostisbetter | minute: I think it is throttled for sure. I mean the work they are doing is impressive. But I am just way more able to rely on the Reform. | 18:45 |
| minute | i also know that the gpu can be overclocked to 1ghz, but not sure if we have enough heatsinking for that | 18:47 |
| minute | and might need voltage increase | 18:47 |
| sigrid | at 1.6 I have cpu temp consistent at ~56°C (it's +25°C today) | 18:48 |
| minute | nice | 18:48 |
| jfred | Boostisbetter: The NexDock's input devices are also atrocious (I have two). Reform keyboard and trackball are very pleasant by comparison | 19:36 |
| Boostisbetter | indeed. I don't actually have the nexdock though, I have a mini X. It is 11" and much better for me. I hate having a large laptop. | 19:39 |
| jfred | And I think the hinges aren't quite strong enough to hold up a Librem 5 if mounted to the side either (haven't tried with mine, but it had trouble with the Galaxy S20 which weighs substantially less) | 19:39 |
| jfred | That | 19:40 |
| jfred | Whoops - those all have nearly the same touchpad though right? | 19:40 |
| Boostisbetter | not sure. The mini x is significantly smaller than the nexdock. | 19:41 |
| Boostisbetter | But I agree with you. I never understoof the wisdom of mounting the phone on the screen. | 19:41 |
| + mark_ (~mjw@gnu.wildebeest.org) | 19:42 | |
| Boostisbetter | So we are up to a 6.3 kernel already on the Reform. Impressive. For some reason my key combo to hide the status bar on sway doesn't work under it. | 19:42 |
| jfred | I think it's much more convenient than having it lying to the side but the hinges usually aren't up to the task | 19:42 |
| Boostisbetter | Yeah I always haveit on the side. | 19:43 |
| jfred | One of these days I might try putting a phone mount on the back of my Reform. I don't know for sure that the hinges would hold up better but they certainly feel sturdier than most | 19:43 |
| Boostisbetter | I was impressed in the beginning but now I just find it all too finicky and kind of bug ridden. | 19:43 |
| Boostisbetter | Sway under wayland just feels way more solid. | 19:43 |
| minute | Boostisbetter: using phosh on the librem? | 19:43 |
| Boostisbetter | minute: if my LPC is showing that one of my batteries has 0.0 should i just let the batteries drain down to reset the LPC? | 19:44 |
| Boostisbetter | minute: yes the Librem 5 uses phosh, and I would think that it is lightweight and difficult to crash but that isn't always the case. | 19:44 |
| jfred | You *can* run sway on a Linux phone; contrary to its name sxmo can run on Wayland and uses sway to do it | 19:45 |
| jfred | Practicality not guaranteed :) | 19:45 |
| Boostisbetter | yeah but without solid touch input I wouldn't even bother. | 19:45 |
| Boostisbetter | Sway is absolutely meant as a desktop interface. | 19:45 |
| jfred | I admit I was impressed at how well touch/volume rocker input worked on sxmo | 19:46 |
| minute | Boostisbetter: hmm no. it is also 0V when charging? | 19:46 |
| jfred | Until you get to the virtual keyboard, that is - that was rough | 19:46 |
| minute | Boostisbetter: it's possible that the fuse on the motherboard near the batteries is blown. | 19:47 |
| Boostisbetter | minute: yeah unfortunately. This is with the new battery safe boards. | 19:48 |
| Boostisbetter | It has been kind of warm here, but the Reform has been in suspend mode the whole time. | 19:48 |
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| minute | Boostisbetter: ah, good that you have the new boards. do you have a multimeter? | 19:48 |
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| minute | Boostisbetter: my recommendation: disconnect battery boards. measure conductivity of the fuse. measure voltages of the cells. | 19:49 |
| Boostisbetter | minute: yeah there is some weirdness, because 1 battery is 0.0 there are 2 at 2.2 | 19:50 |
| Boostisbetter | I have 3 batteries with problems. | 19:50 |
| minute | Boostisbetter: also if you take that battery out, i.e. outside the board it measures 0? | 19:52 |
| minute | the ones at 2.2 should still be ok | 19:52 |
| Boostisbetter | minute: I kind of feel like the easiest thing would be to just restart the LPC. Because the battery gauge in Sway says I'm at 92% | 19:52 |
| minute | Boostisbetter: please follow my instructions, or damage to your system can't be prevented | 19:53 |
| Boostisbetter | ok, one other thing though: What is the lowest voltage the Reform can run on? I am at 19 total volts. | 19:53 |
| Boostisbetter | according to the LPC. | 19:53 |
| minute | theoretically like 9V, but the battery system should not be below 20 | 19:54 |
| minute | (2.5 * 8) | 19:54 |
| Boostisbetter | ok, that is weird. I plugged the charging cable in, and checked the stats again. I am now at 22 volts, and not charging. now all battereis are at 3.2 volts, except the one at 0.0. | 19:55 |
| Boostisbetter | SO I am thinking just unplugging the batteries and plugging them back in from the mainboard will probably fix things. It seems like the LPC just got bugged. | 19:55 |
| minute | Boostisbetter: if you ignore my advice as the person who designed the system, good luck :3 | 19:57 |
| Boostisbetter | minute: im in it now. Can't find my multimeter but not done looking. | 20:00 |
| Boostisbetter | minute: where is the fuse I need to check? | 20:00 |
| minute | Boostisbetter: great. also, in the future if you want to reset lpc (but it won't help here), there's a lpc reset button | 20:00 |
| minute | Boostisbetter: near the battery connectors on the motherboard | 20:01 |
| minute | Boostisbetter: it's labelled F1 i think. it's ceramic in a little metal holder | 20:01 |
| Boostisbetter | minute: what position is the top right battery on the lpc display? | 20:03 |
| Boostisbetter | There is a fuse labeled f2 | 20:05 |
| Boostisbetter | https://upload.im.boosterfive.com:5281/upload/s_9JUMxMN1iaZqalCdcB_bWw/54WI9IASSkeMuu5CkE-lGg.jpg | 20:05 |
| Boostisbetter | Looks like the battery is just toast. | 20:08 |
| minute | sorry, F2 is the one yep | 20:09 |
| Boostisbetter | Only showing 100 or so mV | 20:09 |
| minute | ah! | 20:09 |
| minute | that is at least cheap and easy to replace | 20:09 |
| Boostisbetter | It just died then because I never let these batteries get too low. | 20:09 |
| Boostisbetter | Yeah I need to order a new battery. | 20:09 |
| minute | just to confirm: measured outside of holder? | 20:10 |
| Boostisbetter | Yes but the measurement was the same in the holder as well | 20:10 |
| Boostisbetter | minute: do you have a link for the eremit 2000 maH batteries | 20:10 |
| Boostisbetter | Sorry new phone and I lost the link. | 20:11 |
| Boostisbetter | I should probably just order 9 more so I am good if the other batteries start failing. | 20:11 |
| minute | yep | 20:11 |
| minute | Boostisbetter: https://www.eremit.de/p/18650-3-2v-2-000mah-lifepo4 | 20:12 |
| minute | ok, i'm afk now, feierabend! | 20:12 |
| Boostisbetter | Danke! Bestellt! | 20:14 |
| Boostisbetter | I wonder what the normal life expectancy of the batteries are. | 20:14 |
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| josch | minute: possible extension for the table you made would be a) hardware video decoder available b) the benchmark numbers you published a few weeks ago | 21:06 |
| Boostisbetter | can the Reform run with the batteries disconnected? | 21:42 |
| Boostisbetter | and the power cable plugged in? | 21:42 |
| sigrid | yes | 21:44 |
| josch | Boostisbetter: that's how the rack reform will work using the same motherboard | 21:54 |
| Boostisbetter | thank you gentlemen, I was a little bummed because i thought I wouldn't be able to use my Reform until the replacement battery showed up. | 21:55 |
| Boostisbetter | Is there a recommended way to store replacement batteries? Should they be charged before being stored? | 21:56 |
| vagrantc | actually ideal to have them less than fully charged when stored | 22:02 |
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