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| minute | checking my own notes > If you need to use the integrated eDP PHY, obtain mhdp_fw_1_0_51-dptx-hdcp-mcu2.bin from NXP and copy as mhdpfw.bin to boot partition | 00:34 |
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| minute | josch: if you scroll all the way down here, there is a section "cadence firmware" https://lsdk.github.io/components.html | 00:46 |
| minute | josch: ok it is http://www.nxp.com/lgfiles/sdk/lsdk2012/firmware-cadence-lsdk2012.bin | 00:48 |
| minute | josch: but IIRC this is an archive that needs to be extracted | 00:48 |
| minute | ok so iwas curious and examined this on my phone via an ssh client | 00:53 |
| minute | the file contains a tar.bz2 at offset decimal 38914 | 00:54 |
| minute | if you skip that with dd, you can just extract it | 00:54 |
| minute | the fw is in the folder "dp" | 00:55 |
| minute | funnily, it contains a .git repo as well | 00:55 |
| minute | > origin ssh://git@bitbucket.sw.nxp.com/dash/firmware-cadence.git (push) | 00:56 |
| minute | ok, that appears to be non public | 00:58 |
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| josch | minute: if you read section 2.1 and 2.3 of the COPYING file in that archive then (as far as i understand the legalese) one is only allowed to distribute these files if one is "expressly authorized" and Debian is not distributing any NXP Products | 07:23 |
| josch | so again, we are not allowed to ship this non-free blob | 07:23 |
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| josch | minute: has the pocket device tree been submitted for inclusion to linux yet? if yes, i'd need a link to that mail | 07:34 |
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| minute | josch: no, pocket tree hasn't been submitted yet | 10:18 |
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| eery | hmmm, last night my g key started to chatter, wiggling the switch seemed to fix it, but is there a good fix if it comes back? Don't really have tools here or a way to ship stuff in/out (easily) | 11:56 |
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| minute | eery: hmm, cold solder joint? you could get a mini soldering iron and touch them up on that key | 12:20 |
| minute | eery: otherwise maybe stronger debouncing in firmware... | 12:21 |
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| eery | okay, worth a shot :) | 13:28 |
| eery | anyone have any experience with a software solution in linux for debounce in the meantime? Not a lot of good leads on the web | 13:29 |
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| minute | eery: you can increase this number in the firmware https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform/-/blob/master/reform2-keyboard-fw/keyboard.c#L178 | 13:32 |
| eery | aha! | 13:33 |
| minute | eery: every key has a 8 bit shift "register" that decides what is a keypress | 13:33 |
| minute | eery: so you could for example try changing this to 0x03 or 0xff | 13:34 |
| minute | 0xff = the keypress is only valid when 8 ones appear in a row without any zeroes in between, that should get right of some noise (but introduces 8 cycles of delay) | 13:35 |
| eery | oh cool, flashing new keyboard fw isn't too bad | 13:38 |
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| nocko | I have my reform running Debian stable now, but the reform repo is offering me kernel 6.3. Would it be possible to version the reform repo such that I could track more stable updates (like userland utils and hypothetical kernel 6.1 security patches)? | 17:31 |
| nocko | I could exclude the kernel packages, and maybe we'll never update 6.1 again anyway... etc, etc. It's just that unstable isn't a super user experience and maybe some planning for stable is good? | 17:36 |
| josch | nocko: i'm planning to set up exactly that on reform.debian.net but am currently waiting on https://salsa.debian.org/debian.net-team/requests/-/issues/14 | 17:44 |
| josch | i absolutely agree, that users should rather run stable than unstable | 17:45 |
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| josch | vagrantc: I talked to lukas and it seems the "eDP display requires" mentioned here https://shop.mntre.com/products/mnt-reform-ls1028a-module-preorder is just the same NXP blob under the non-distribution license we already are familiar with :( | 17:46 |
| josch | vagrantc: to make sure i'm not misreading the license text, i asked debian-legal for advice here https://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2023/06/msg00018.html | 17:47 |
| vagrantc | josch: thanks for following up | 18:03 |
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| minute | josch: it's exactly the same? i thought they should be at least a bit different | 18:36 |
| nocko | josch: thanks for looking into this! | 18:36 |
| josch | minute: sorry, the blob is different but the license is the same is what i meant to say | 18:36 |
| minute | ok! | 18:37 |
| minute | i realize that "blob free" is even more important in that regard (copyright/license) than just closed vs open source | 18:37 |
| minute | i wonder if all the other blobs in debian-firmware-nonfree have a "anyone can copy" license?! | 18:38 |
| josch | they have to | 18:38 |
| josch | or do you mean that you wonder whether there is a blob where there is a special agreement that only Debian is allowed to distribute but the receiver of the blob is not? | 18:40 |
| minute | where would i find the license for firmware-atheros, for example? that's a ton of blobs without accompanying copyright info | 18:40 |
| josch | minute: /usr/share/doc/firmware-atheros/copyright | 18:40 |
| minute | 404 https://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs//non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/firmware-nonfree_20210315-3_copyright | 18:40 |
| minute | josch: ah | 18:41 |
| josch | when you download package X from Debian, its copyright information can always be found in /usr/share/doc/X/copyright | 18:41 |
| minute | interesting, there is an NXP license there, but for imx/sdma | 18:43 |
| josch | that's a different license though | 18:43 |
| minute | yep | 18:43 |
| minute | i'm just thinking out loud | 18:45 |
| josch | it's a good idea! | 18:45 |
| minute | https://git.centos.org/rpms/linux-firmware/c/6d1bdb92ad33b2b5a85ebd806b1058860ad4be95.patch this includes another version of cdns-mhdp - Cadence MHDP DP bridge with a different license | 18:45 |
| minute | > Licence: Redistributable. See LICENCE.cadence for details | 18:45 |
| minute | this is also here https://packages.debian.org/sid/firmware-misc-nonfree | 18:46 |
| josch | i'm having a look | 18:47 |
| josch | again a different license: | 18:48 |
| josch | https://sources.debian.org/src/firmware-nonfree/20230404-1/LICENCE.cadence/ | 18:48 |
| minute | intriguing | 18:48 |
| minute | i can at some point try if that version of the fw loads (by luck) in ls1028a, then that problem would be solved at least | 18:49 |
| minute | also, would be really nice to decompile this thing | 18:49 |
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| Booster[m] | they live in a house of order... | 20:09 |
| Boostisbetter | sorry wrong thread. was part of a joke. my bad | 20:09 |
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| sevan | took my reform out to the park today. First time it's been out of the house since I got it. | 23:47 |
| sevan | was hoping to take something less valuable because it's pretty shady here but having technical difficulties with other kit since bookworm upgrade :/ | 23:49 |
| sevan | On the theme of right to repair and (not) open hardware: the elaborate process to replacing dead storage on fruit co hardware https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yR7m4aUxHcM | 23:52 |
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