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| murph[m] | <Booster[m]> "minute: really looking forward..." <- I'm anxiously awaiting as well. | 15:48 |
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| sevan | Nevermind GPU support, we need an ISA slot to support SoundBlaster cards https://mastodon.social/@tubetime/110463768605629842 | 16:30 |
| josch | wow, that is very impressive | 16:38 |
| minute | linx: https://shop.mntre.com/products/mnt-reform-laird-wi-fi-antenna?taxon_id=13 | 16:42 |
| sevan | josch: indeed. | 17:02 |
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| AbortRetryFail | do the flex bars transfer forces on the keyboard to the motherboard? | 19:07 |
| vkoskiv | Seems like it. I might try printing some to experiment with. | 19:11 |
| vkoskiv | I've had a concept in my head for an alternate design that would brace against the lip where the trackpad slides into, but I haven't had the kick to start designing it yet. | 19:12 |
| + vagrantc (~vagrant@2600:3c01:e000:21:7:77:0:50) | 19:24 | |
| minute | AbortRetryFail: yes, but that in turn transfers forces to the bottom plate, via heatsink assembly | 19:25 |
| minute | ok, we're launching RCM4 finally: https://shop.mntre.com/products/mnt-reform-cm4-processor-module-adapter?taxon_id=13 | 19:26 |
| sigrid | minute: what does "(only HDMI oder internal at a time)" mean? | 19:26 |
| minute | sigrid: one can switch between internal and external display, but not drive both at the same time. i believe this is a driver limitation | 19:26 |
| sigrid | I think you wanted to s/oder/or/ then? :) | 19:27 |
| sigrid | seems like German | 19:27 |
| minute | oh wow | 19:27 |
| minute | lol | 19:27 |
| minute | thanks! | 19:27 |
| sigrid | np | 19:28 |
| minute | fixed! | 19:29 |
| AbortRetryFail | wonder how many boundary devices SoMs I'll be able to get for cheap on eBay in a couple months | 19:38 |
| minute | AbortRetryFail: heh | 19:38 |
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| amospalla | wow, will this be compatible with Pocket? | 20:08 |
| minute | amospalla: hopefully yes, i still have to validate the display with it | 20:11 |
| amospalla | wonderful, also, just guessing, but being the standard CM4, who knows what other existing or still not released modules will be available :D | 20:12 |
| amospalla | s/be available/work | 20:13 |
| amospalla | thank you | 20:16 |
| - amospalla (PART: !!unknown attribute: msg!!) (~amospalla@212.231.228.113) | 20:20 | |
| Zaba | This might be an interesting CM4-compatible option for making some retro recreation systems https://www.crowdsupply.com/intergalaktik/ulx4m | 20:21 |
| minute | yes, that's pretty cool too | 20:26 |
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| pandora[m] | Is there an expected-ish release date for the pocket already? | 21:22 |
| minute | small update: we just got the mouser purchase order for pockets, so the funds transfer should start soon | 21:24 |
| minute | and then we can buy the cpu modules which have 24wk lead time | 21:25 |
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| + Nulo (~Nulo@user/nulo) | 21:55 | |
| josch | minute: with what OS/kernel can i run the a311d or the rpi? are changes to the kernel or other components in sysimage-v3 needed? probably, right? | 22:05 |
| minute | josch: yes, we'll need to add a few patches (not much though) | 22:05 |
| josch | minute: do you have a patch stack ready that i can add to the reform-debian-packages repo? | 22:06 |
| minute | josch: see also http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/linux-arm-kernel/2023-May/837731.html | 22:06 |
| minute | josch: basically the patches from that thread plus a few tweaks i need to put in patch form | 22:07 |
| josch | uff 17 patches | 22:07 |
| minute | josch: i can collect everything needed over the next week | 22:08 |
| minute | also, we need a different u-boot for this one. i'm thinking how to deal with that regarding the system image. perhaps flashing would be a two-step process at first, flashing the image and then u-boot on top | 22:08 |
| josch | no rush :) | 22:08 |
| minute | rpi doesn't care about that as it just needs it's weird config file(s) IIRC | 22:09 |
| josch | with flashing do you mean writing the sd-card image or to emmc? | 22:10 |
| minute | yes | 22:10 |
| josch | makes sense :) | 22:10 |
| josch | u-boot probably sits at the same offset for imx8mq and a311d? | 22:11 |
| josch | what debian does, is to offer the image in two parts that can then put together with "cat" | 22:12 |
| josch | the first part contains the things that are different for every board and the second part the file system with actual Debian on it | 22:12 |
| vagrantc | ACTION waves | 22:13 |
| + XYZ (~XYZ@78-80-16-11.customers.tmcz.cz) | 22:13 | |
| josch | looks like this: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/unstable/main/installer-arm64/current/images/netboot/SD-card-images/ | 22:13 |
| josch | vagrantc: i was about to ping you :) | 22:13 |
| minute | oh, that's nice @ cat | 22:13 |
| vagrantc | if you are lucky, the offsets are compatible, or can be made compatible | 22:13 |
| vagrantc | :) | 22:13 |
| josch | so if Debian didn't come up with a better way maybe that's the state of the art? | 22:14 |
| minute | i don't believe that the offsets are the same, they're not even the same for imx8mq vs imx8mp :D | 22:14 |
| vagrantc | i have successfully built a single image that boots both 64-bit sunxi and 64-bit rockchip systems | 22:14 |
| vagrantc | there was a talk on the deeper concept for this at fosdem some years back | 22:14 |
| vagrantc | and i gave a talk about my much less ambitious work with pinebook and pinebook-pro | 22:15 |
| vagrantc | https://archive.fosdem.org/2019/schedule/event/one_image_to_rule_them_all/ | 22:15 |
| vagrantc | https://debconf21.debconf.org/talks/88-two-pinebooks-walk-into-a-bar/ | 22:16 |
| minute | this is a bit weird: | 22:16 |
| minute | $ dd if=fip/u-boot.bin.sd.bin of=$DEV conv=fsync,notrunc bs=512 skip=1 seek=1 | 22:16 |
| vagrantc | although i think my talk was somewhat botched | 22:16 |
| minute | $ dd if=fip/u-boot.bin.sd.bin of=$DEV conv=fsync,notrunc bs=1 count=440 | 22:16 |
| josch | vagrantc: botched? | 22:17 |
| vagrantc | josch: nobody told me the talk was starting, muted audio, etc. :) | 22:17 |
| josch | oh XD | 22:17 |
| josch | minute: is a311d u-boot support upstreamed? | 22:19 |
| vagrantc | the summary of the one-image-to-rule-them-all was basically to leverage secondary and tertiary offsets, which dramatically improved the odds of finding compatible ones | 22:20 |
| vagrantc | and ... the more ambitious part was to write a very simple prebootloader bit that handled board-specific differences for similar platforms and then jumped to a more proper u-boot | 22:20 |
| josch | oh... well then XD | 22:20 |
| minute | looks like yes, the boards are called meson-g12b-a311d... | 22:21 |
| vagrantc | i only played around with two specific boards and used a secondary offset for one of them | 22:21 |
| minute | the internal name for the soc is meson g12b | 22:21 |
| minute | this is a bit confusing at first :D | 22:21 |
| josch | this will also be interesting for the rest of the reform packages because everything assumes imx8mq | 22:22 |
| vagrantc | there are quite a few G12B boards in upstream u-boot | 22:22 |
| josch | but maybe good that this is done before the pocket release | 22:22 |
| minute | josch: yes, absolutely | 22:23 |
| - doppler (QUIT: Ping timeout: 240 seconds) (~doppler@user/doppler) | 22:31 | |
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| - XYZ (QUIT: Ping timeout: 268 seconds) (~XYZ@78-80-16-11.customers.tmcz.cz) | 22:46 | |
| + XYZ (~XYZ@78-80-16-11.customers.tmcz.cz) | 23:05 | |
| sevan | do you actually have to write the u-boot image at an offset? usually having the file on a supported filesystem is sufficient. | 23:15 |
| vagrantc | depends on the platform ... | 23:16 |
| vagrantc | and some are particular about where it is written on said filesystem in ways that are absolutely painful to debug | 23:16 |
| sevan | ack | 23:16 |
| sevan | my experience was with the beagleboneblack | 23:17 |
| vagrantc | i've seen ones that it is fine, as long as it is the first file in the filesystem table ... but if you rename it, forget it. | 23:17 |
| sevan | heh | 23:17 |
| vagrantc | won;t let you put the toothpaste back in the tube | 23:17 |
| sevan | tsk :) | 23:18 |
| vagrantc | that said, i'm sure some implementations are just fine. :) | 23:18 |
| sevan | u-boot is currently insufficiently universal | 23:19 |
| vagrantc | some use GPT partitions to spell out the offsets (although under the hood, it is still just offsets) | 23:21 |
| vagrantc | universally variable :) | 23:22 |
| q66 | u-boot is written at a specific offset on a device, because that's where the hardware loads it from | 23:22 |
| q66 | it doesn't deal with filesystems | 23:22 |
| vkoskiv | This whole bootloader/offset malarkey terrifies me as a userspace programmer :D | 23:22 |
| q66 | every soc has a different place where it loads firmware from | 23:23 |
| q66 | usually you have two offsets anyway | 23:23 |
| vagrantc | q66: some u-boot implementations actually do deal with filesystems | 23:23 |
| vkoskiv | Conceptually I roughly know it, but every time I've read code related to it, my brain turns off. | 23:23 |
| q66 | and two images to write | 23:23 |
| q66 | spl and u-boot | 23:23 |
| q66 | vagrantc: you only deal with filesystem once u-boot is loaded | 23:23 |
| q66 | but u-boot is not loaded off any filesystem | 23:23 |
| vagrantc | q66: there are platforms in upstream u-boot that disagree. | 23:24 |
| q66 | anything where u-boot acts as the firmware is not going to be loaded off a filesystem | 23:25 |
| q66 | because it's too high level of a concept for hardware | 23:25 |
| q66 | in any case for imx8mq the spl offset is 66 sectors and the u-boot offset is 768 sectors | 23:26 |
| vagrantc | well, i've maintained patches in debian's u-boot for support loading off a direct offset for novena for many years now | 23:26 |
| q66 | for e.g. rk3399 it's 64 and 16384 | 23:26 |
| q66 | and so on | 23:27 |
| q66 | you can create partitions at those offsets and write the images to those, but it doesn't make a difference over just writing it raw and starting the partition table later | 23:29 |
| vagrantc | agreed. | 23:29 |
| vagrantc | anyways, this is getting off-topic here... | 23:29 |
| sevan | hmm, if the offsets are different between the boards, that should be ok to flash both? (as long as they don't overlap?) | 23:50 |
| sevan | bring it back to the imqx and bpi boards | 23:50 |
| - XYZ (QUIT: Ping timeout: 240 seconds) (~XYZ@78-80-16-11.customers.tmcz.cz) | 23:56 | |
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