2023-05-30.log

minutejfred: if the resistor is cracked or crackable, you could desolder its parts separately. otherwise the best tool i can recommend is a hotplate like miniwares01:26
minutejfred: (MHP30). hot air works too. to protect the nearby connector, you can wrap/shield it with aluminum foil and kapton tape 01:28
jfredHmm, it doesn't seem cracked unfortunately, and I'm not confident it's crackable. Will look into that01:28
jfredThanks!01:28
jfredOh wow the MHP30 is so much smaller than I expected 01:29
minutei'm using it a lot for rework these days, sometimes combined with hot air01:32
minuteBoostisbetter: see also https://www.da.vidbuchanan.co.uk/blog/netflix-on-asahi.html01:33
minutei can't try that though because i canceled netflix a while ago01:33
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jfredOh yeah convenient that there's nothing on the other side of the PCB where that resistor is01:41
jfredI guess you could just lift it right off if you heated that spot from underneath01:41
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HamSolo-hi! I have an OG DIY Reform and am trying to use an external screen via HDMI without much luck...I'm booting off MMC and have tried `reform-display-config --emmc dual` but no matter what HDMI cable I try I don't see the screen in output of `swaymsg -t get_outputs`...any ideas?02:40
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joschHamSolo-: is this on sysimage-v3?05:26
joschHamSolo-: does anything show up on dmesg when you plug and unplug the cable?05:27
HamSolo-josch: yeah sysimage-v3, latest kernel and packages as of last night, and nothing at all shows up in dmesg when plugging/unplugging the cable05:59
joschHamSolo-: does anything fishy show up when you run sudo reform-check?06:02
HamSolo-josch: "E: your currently loaded dtb is not the one referenced by flash-kernel" and one other informational line about asound.state file being different06:04
joschHamSolo-: what does /proc/device-tree/model say?06:13
joschand /etc/flash-kernel/machine06:13
HamSolo-first file says "MNT Reform 2" /etc/flash-kernel/machine says "MNT Reform 2 HDMI"06:15
joschHamSolo-: what does this yield: grep /boot /etc/fstab06:16
HamSolo-"/dev/mmcblk0p1 /boot auto errors=remount-ro 0 1"06:17
joschokay, good06:17
joschand uname -a06:17
HamSolo-"Linux reform 6.1.0-reform2-arm64 #1 SMP Debian 6.1.15-1+reform20230215T190829Z1 (2023-02-15) aarch64 GNU/Linux"06:17
joschthat does not look good06:18
HamSolo-oh?06:18
joschyou said your system is up-to-date?06:18
HamSolo-with `apt update && apt upgrade -y` from last night yeah06:18
joschwhat does this say: dpkg -l | grep linux-image06:18
HamSolo-josch: https://pastebin.com/UjwG8y9y06:21
joschHamSolo-: could you try running "apt remove linux-image-6.1.0-reform2-arm64"06:22
joschthis should be safe because you still have linux-image-6.1.0-9-reform2-arm64 installed06:22
HamSolo-ok, trying06:22
HamSolo-alright, that's removed06:24
HamSolo-time for nervous reboot? lol06:25
joschyes06:25
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HamSolo-I'm back, running newer kernel...but no HDMI yet06:28
joschwhat does /proc/device-tree/model say?06:28
HamSolo-"MNT Reform 2"06:28
joschand uname -a06:28
HamSolo-"Linux reform 6.1.0-9-reform2-arm64 #1 SMP Debian 6.1.27-1+reform20230522T044718Z1 (2023-05-22) aarch64 GNU/Linux"06:29
joschhrm...06:29
joschokay, this is then indeed odd06:29
joschthe fact that removing the old kernel indeed made you now boot the new one means that your /boot is mounted correctly06:29
HamSolo-let me try a couple of other HDMI cables first06:29
joschbut why does it not pick up your change in /etc/flash-kernel/machine?06:29
joschnono06:30
joschit has to say "MNT Reform 2 HDMI" in /proc/device-tree/model06:30
HamSolo-ok :)06:30
joschotherwise it cannot work06:30
HamSolo-oh ok06:30
HamSolo-I'll try `reform-display-config --emmc dual` again06:30
joschokay06:30
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HamSolo-no luck post reboot :/06:34
HamSolo-contents of /proc/device-tree/model still "MNT Reform 2"06:34
joschdid you ever mess around with what is in your /boot manually?06:35
HamSolo-I wouldn't put it past myself, but don't remember a specific instance of doing that in the last year or so06:35
joschwhat does it say when you do this:06:35
joschstrings /boot/dtb | grep Reform06:35
HamSolo-",MNT Reform 2 HDMI"06:36
joschwut? :D06:36
joschhow are you booting?06:36
joschwith the default boot.scr?06:37
joschor are you using extlinux.conf?06:37
HamSolo-yes, default as far as I know...is there a place I can see that file before it gets compiled?06:37
HamSolo-boot.scr06:37
joschwhat does this show:06:38
joschstrings /boot/dtbs/6.1.0-9-reform2-arm64/freescale/imx8mq-mnt-reform2.dtb06:39
joscherrr..06:39
joschstrings /boot/dtbs/6.1.0-9-reform2-arm64/freescale/imx8mq-mnt-reform2.dtb | grep Reform06:39
HamSolo-hehe06:39
HamSolo-checking06:39
HamSolo-ah! that just says ",MNT Reform 2"06:40
joschyour /boot/dtb is a symlink, right? to where06:40
HamSolo-yeah symlinked to dtb -> dtbs/6.1.0-9-reform2-arm64/freescale/imx8mq-mnt-reform2-hdmi.dtb06:40
joschone sec...06:41
joschHamSolo-: could you quickly pastebin your /boot/boot.scr?06:44
HamSolo-ok, doing06:44
HamSolo-josch: https://pastebin.com/TAt4LuBr06:48
joschHamSolo-: there is something wrong there06:53
joschdo you have /usr/share/flash-kernel/preboot.d/00reform2_preboot?06:53
HamSolo-let me check06:53
HamSolo-yes, I have that file...looks like it tries to set a uboot env var called fdtpath06:54
joschnow the weird part is, that your boot.scr does not contain this06:54
joschHamSolo-: you see the big comment in that file. That and the "if" below are missing from your boot.scr.06:55
HamSolo-hmm, isn't the boot.sct built automatically from some packaged plaintext version?06:56
HamSolo-I haven't looked deeply into that part of the system06:56
HamSolo-*boot.scr06:56
joschHamSolo-: yes, it is built from /etc/flash-kernel/bootscript/bootscr.uboot-generic06:57
joschHamSolo-: can you pastebin that file?06:57
HamSolo-sure, here you go: https://pastebin.com/HExvXB7506:59
joschno, no difference :(06:59
joschoh wait07:00
joschyour boot.scr has this string in it: "place here any u-boot commands to be executed before boot"07:00
HamSolo-oh wait, should I have this boot.txt file inside /boot ?07:01
HamSolo-that also contains the "executed before boot" string...07:02
HamSolo-what is that file even doing there07:02
joschone sec07:03
joschshould you have what file inside /boot?07:03
HamSolo-there's a file called "boot.txt", plain ASCII, inside /boot07:04
HamSolo-dated May 202207:04
joschthat file makes no sense07:04
joschwho put it there?07:04
HamSolo-is that being used in preference to the bootscr.uboot-generic file when compiling boot.scr07:04
HamSolo-maybe I did a year ago or something07:05
joschwhat does that file contain?07:05
joschflash-kernel does not reference boot.txt -- no idea what that file is supposed to do07:05
joschu-boot also seems to do nothing with it07:05
joschthat file is probably harmless07:05
joschHamSolo-: the next thing to figure out is, where the string "place here any u-boot commands to be executed before boot" comes from -- because it is not part of any Debian package in the archive :)07:06
joschcould you run this:07:06
joschgrep -rl "place here any u-boot commands to be executed before boot" /usr /etc07:06
HamSolo-ok will do that now07:07
HamSolo-this one is taking a while07:12
joschyes07:13
HamSolo-got one hit: /etc/flash-kernel/preboot.d/00reform2_preboot07:13
joschbut if we can find out where this string comes from, maybe we can solve this riddle07:13
HamSolo-it just contains that string commented out...nothing else07:14
joschthat's the problem07:15
joschit should contain this: https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-tools/-/blob/main/flash-kernel/preboot.d/00reform2_preboot07:16
HamSolo-interesting07:17
HamSolo-how did mine diverge I wonder07:18
HamSolo-and is there a blessed way to restore it?07:18
HamSolo-apart from me pasting into that file?07:18
joschwhat is in your /usr/share/flash-kernel/preboot.d/00reform2_preboot07:19
HamSolo-the Good content07:19
joschyour /etc/flash-kernel/preboot.d/00reform2_preboot is overwriting /usr/share/flash-kernel/preboot.d/00reform2_preboot07:19
joschthe fix is to remove /etc/flash-kernel/preboot.d/00reform2_preboot07:19
joschbut before you do that07:20
joschcan you tell me the md5sum of /etc/flash-kernel/preboot.d/00reform2_preboot07:20
HamSolo-ok :)07:20
joschi want to detect this problem in the reform-check utility07:20
HamSolo-8b87eb6b17a7d537ad1605fe27020196  /etc/flash-kernel/preboot.d/00reform2_preboot07:20
joschthank you!07:21
HamSolo-no worries, and thank you!07:21
joschremove it and reboot07:21
HamSolo-I'm going to remove that file, config dual display again then reboot07:21
joscherrr07:21
joschremove it, run flash-kernel and reboot07:22
joschyes07:22
HamSolo-aye :)07:22
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HamSolo-josch: all working, I'm back in business! thanks again07:28
joschHamSolo-: thank you for helping find that bug!07:39
joschminute: this improvement to reform-check will find the issue that HamSolo- had early: https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-tools/-/merge_requests/3707:54
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minutejosch: omg, i also have this issue since months and always enter "setenv fdtfile"10:03
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joschminute: please report bugs to me!! XD12:16
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minutejosch: sorry, i thought this was just my setup14:10
joschminute: maybe try running reform-check -- it's supposed to catch problems with manual setups as well :)14:12
joschit just occurred to me that reform-check (when run as the normal user but not as root) could also check some of the environment variables that are likely needed like ETNA_MESA_DEBUG=nir MOZ_ENABLE_WAYLAND=1 or _JAVA_AWT_WM_NONREPARENTING=114:15
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sbatesMy current Reform config is: boot switch at default (which I assume is sd-card, but I've not taken the heat sink off yet), /boot partition on sd-card, and root on nvme. I'd like to boot without the sd-card and move booting to the emmc. I wanted to check the steps: 1. partition the emmc with a partition for /boot 2. run 'reform-flash-uboot --offline emmc'  3. run 'reform-boot-config --emmc nvme' (which it looks like will copy my current14:25
sbates/boot to the emmc partition) 4. change the boot switch to emmc14:25
minutei believe that reform-flash-rescue can do 1.&2.14:26
sbatesminute: I checked reform-flash-rescue and it contains the line 'reform-boot-config --emmc emmc' which I don't think I would want as it would move the root fs to emmc14:29
minutesbates: i believe that it doesn't do that automatically, but double check14:37
sbatesminute: I think it wouldn't copy any data, but I think it would update /etc/fstab and run update-initramfs. Which maybe doesn't matter? As that would be being done on the emmc / partition, rather than my nvme? Maybe just a little extra unnecessary work.14:42
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minutesbates: alright! just wanted to make sure you've seen it14:45
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linxhowdy14:50
sbatesminute: thanks for letting me know. If I'm reading 'reform-boot-config' correctly now, I think in my case it actually wouldn't run update-initramfs as I think that only runs when the specified root fs is already mounted at /. So it should be safe to use 'reform-flash-rescue'. But I will spend more time later reading the scripts in more detail to make sure I understand what's happening.14:56
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minutesbates: cool!15:14
minutehi linx 15:14
sbatesminute: sorry I'm wrong, I think 'reform-boot-config' does run 'update-initramfs' in both the cases when the specified root fs is mounted at / and when not. I was reading the scripts too quickly trying to fit it in before other work. I'll spend more time on it later. Thanks for your help! I think I understand the process now at a high level at least.15:17
linxminute: Lukas don't forget the Laird in the shop. I am refreshing my browser15:58
minutelinx: oh yeah!16:07
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joschsbates: could you leave the steps you ran in the end as a new comment here: https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-handbook/-/issues/216:20
joschsbates: i think your use-case is a common one and should be documented16:20
joschout-of-the-top-of-my-head you should do this:16:20
josch1. run reform-flash-rescue to set up sensible partitions and flash u-boot in emmc16:21
josch2. run reform-boot-config --emmc nvme which will set up the first partition on emmc as your /boot and write options for /boot and / into your /etc/fstab16:23
joschsbates: if you run into any problems, let me know!16:23
joschi think it makes sense to write down a few example scenarios because there are so many different configurations of where a user is and where they want to go (/boot on sd-card, u-boot on emmc, nvme with or without encryption...)16:25
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sbatesjosch: I will leave a comment with the steps that I use. Right now my root partition is unencrypted ext4. At some point I think I'll encrypt, but for now it's unencrypted.18:06
sbatesjosch: I did run into one issue running 'reform-migrate' when moving my root fs from sd-card to nvme. What happened was that the rsync failed because files disappeared during the copy. I was running the command in a console and some of the errors had already scrolled off the screen so I wasn't able to see all of the messages. I also didn't keep careful notes of what I did get, but if I remember correctly it was files under18:20
sbates'/var/cache/man' I believe. I launched sway to get a gui terminal to have scrollback and reran the migration but this time it succeeded.18:20
joschoh weird18:25
sbatesminute and josch: something else while I think of it that might be useful for making the system image. I initially tried to do an 'apt update' and 'apt upgrade' on my sd-card, before moving to nvme and I ran out of space on the sd-card root partition. So the current system image root partition is too small to do an apt upgrade. This was the 1173 job image build.18:26
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joschsbates: https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-system-image/-/merge_requests/4318:27
joschsbates: this merge request will resize the root partition of the sd-card to fill the whole sd-card on first boot18:27
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sbatesnice18:27
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sbatesthat seems like a really good change18:29
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Boostisbetterjosch: I'm thinking about maybe devoting some of my free time to one day being able to apply to a DD position with the Debian project. Any thoughts on that? Worthwhile, etc. 19:01
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joschBoostisbetter: you should! there is too much stuff to do and too few people to do all of it. :D20:08
joschBoostisbetter: the classical way to get into it is via a package that you care about and start helping maintain it20:08
joschbut there are many more things to do besides packaging like the website, server administration, translations, QA...20:09
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BoostisbetterYeah, I can do a lot of that but software development is my main focus. 20:27
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joschif you want to do that, then packaging work might be your best bet -- just pick a package that you see has a problem and start contributing fixes :)20:28
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Boostisbetterjosch: thanks! I will look into it! I think one thing I would like to add to Linux is a feature on a touchpad that I have seen on Windows, but have not seen on Linux. That is when your fingers come to an edge, the cursor will keep moving in the direction of the edge at a consistent but linear direction. This makes it so that you can drag and drop, select things, etc. without having to pick your f20:53
Boostisbetteringer up20:53
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