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| AbortRetryFail | in case anyone else here does radio nerd things with their Reform, you can run SDR++ on it by using MESA_GL_VERSION_OVERRIDE=3.0 and it seems to be fine. | 00:27 |
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| minute | nice | 00:47 |
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| violet | woo got my reform up n runnin and updated n stuff | 06:01 |
| violet | any reason i wouldnt want to swap the wifi card with something that supports 5ghz? if i dont care about blobs or w/e | 06:02 |
| violet | like considerations around suspend, or any other reason it wouldnt work | 06:03 |
| josch | violet: unless you are using 5.17, suspend isn't working anyways ;) | 06:48 |
| josch | chaseadam: i fear this would not work well. If you want to spend time on it, you can always compile linux from git yourself as well. | 07:03 |
| josch | minute: do you have an idea of how to move forward with the resume issue? | 07:04 |
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| violet | well i can use whatever kernel version i want so | 09:44 |
| violet | lol | 09:44 |
| violet | 5.17 it is i guess | 09:44 |
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| Booster[m] | josch: i think it is 5.12 that you mean. | 11:01 |
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| josch | Booster[m]: no, i bisected linux and 5.17 also still works | 11:09 |
| josch | Booster[m]: see the backlog from yesterday | 11:09 |
| Booster[m] | Awesome, can I hope on 5.17 then? | 11:11 |
| josch | Booster[m]: "hope"? | 11:11 |
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| * mark_ -> mjw | 11:19 | |
| Booster[m] | *hop | 11:22 |
| josch | you could but rather than putting more band-aid i rather spend more time on actually finding the problem... | 11:33 |
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| minute | josch: thanks, good to know that 5.17 works, thanks for testing that. so 5.18 breaks suspend, yes? | 12:38 |
| josch | yes | 12:38 |
| josch | here are part of my bisection notes: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/27df2fb6/ | 12:39 |
| josch | first column is the tag (if any) and last column shows if good or bad | 12:39 |
| josch | for each line in those notes i have the patch stack, kernel config and dts | 12:41 |
| + mjw (~mjw@2001:1c06:2488:1400:4fd:39a7:74ac:7bae) | 12:42 | |
| minute | josch: so both of the parents work, but the merge doesn't? | 12:43 |
| minute | (trying to wrap my head around this) | 12:43 |
| josch | minute: yes, that's what i explained yesterday | 12:43 |
| josch | minute: both parents work because they use a different dts | 12:43 |
| minute | yeah, i'm still trying to understand it, sorry ^^ | 12:43 |
| josch | so the problem is in either branch of the ancestors of ed4643521e6af8ab8ed1e467630a85884d2696cf but i cannot test it because if i use the "wrong" dts, my display doesn't come on | 12:44 |
| minute | trying to parse "the thing that makes it fail to suspend are the parts without which the panel will not come on" | 12:45 |
| josch | ah :) | 12:45 |
| josch | this was also not quite precise of me | 12:45 |
| minute | josch: ok, i see, you are stuck because the display doesn't work, but the rest of the system probably works, yes? | 12:45 |
| josch | maybe -- i don't have a second machine right now to test | 12:46 |
| minute | gotcha | 12:46 |
| josch | the one downside of the reform being your only computer XD | 12:46 |
| minute | josch: i figure you also don't have a HDMI display? | 12:48 |
| josch | hrm... that's not a bad idea | 12:48 |
| josch | i don't have a hdmi monitor at home but i have one in the office | 12:48 |
| minute | then you can take the panel out of the equation | 12:48 |
| josch | though all my testing so far was with the non-hdmi dts | 12:49 |
| josch | i wanted to minimize the source of possible failures | 12:49 |
| minute | you could even unplug it so it wouldn't probe (a bit heavy-handed, but...) | 12:49 |
| minute | actually i have never tested suspend with hdmi i think | 12:49 |
| josch | another frustrating problem was, that something seems to be wrong with my sd-card reader -- when i take out the sd-card i should see something on dmesg, right? i see nothing. And when i plug a new one in, nothing happens on dmesg again. | 12:50 |
| minute | josch: btw just to clarify: in the bad commit, the panel does work normally, but suspend stops working? | 12:50 |
| josch | minute: correct | 12:50 |
| minute | josch: it is possible that a solder spot got loose from all the (un)plugging | 12:50 |
| josch | true :D | 12:51 |
| minute | these pins are pretty big though, easy to touch up | 12:51 |
| minute | (use flux!) | 12:51 |
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| josch | okay, then next i'll try to find a way to attach via serial and/or the hdmi monitor in the office (whatever happens first) | 12:52 |
| minute | josch: also, the failing version is of course interesting. but could it also be a regression and a later version works again? | 12:53 |
| minute | i am pretty certain that i used a 6.x version and was able to suspend/wake, just had flakiness with waking the display up (and did a workaround with dpms for that) | 12:53 |
| josch | minute: you can see the tags i tested in that table. I had resume not working for 6.0 as well as 6.1 | 12:54 |
| minute | josch: what was your testing method to determine that resume did not work? | 12:54 |
| josch | minute: though also remember that i have another resume problem that nobody else has: the problem with my nvme drive. So maybe whatever i'm testing is not applicable to anybody else anyways. | 12:55 |
| minute | referencing https://community.mnt.re/t/standby-suspend-to-ram-mnt-reform/538/94 | 12:55 |
| minute | josch: ok, but! this sounds like nvme resume works in 5.17 for you? | 12:55 |
| josch | minute: nope, i took nvme out of the equation by only operating from sd-card | 12:55 |
| minute | ah. | 12:55 |
| minute | > Curiously, I found that I could still launch a terminal and type commands, and pkill sway brought the display back to life | 12:56 |
| josch | minute: when resume didn't work, the oled display would say "waking up lpc..." and then hang there | 12:56 |
| minute | josch: aha! | 12:56 |
| josch | (and yes, it's totally possible that there are multiple independent resume problems on top of my reform doing something different already with nvme on resume...) | 12:57 |
| josch | (i know i'm not the best person to test this but nobody else seems to find the time XD) | 12:57 |
| minute | yeah, i am really tempted to dig in but unfortunately i have too many more pressing things on my plate today | 13:00 |
| josch | no problem -- this is not running away :) | 13:00 |
| josch | i was happy to see that even sysimage-v3 boots just fine with a bare kernel (not the Debian packaging) | 13:00 |
| josch | building the full Debian kernel every time would've take much longer than the 1.5 hours it took me | 13:01 |
| minute | oh my | 13:02 |
| josch | minute: sell me a faster SoM for my reform so that i can bisect faster :D | 13:03 |
| minute | haha i will very soon :D | 13:03 |
| josch | :) | 13:03 |
| minute | actually that's what i want to take care of today, to order final rcm4 samples | 13:03 |
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| minute | josch: some more ideas for your test kernel build: you could disable VPU (hantro) drivers and perhaps even etnaviv and any modules which are not strictly required for testing this case | 13:05 |
| josch | you mean so that it builds faster? that's true | 13:09 |
| josch | though if i need a second machine for serial anyways, i'll just cross compile everything on a 16 core-i7 and solve the waiting problem that way ;) | 13:10 |
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| minute | josch: no, i mean if it works without those, we can narrow down the module that causes the problem | 13:49 |
| minute | josch: vs it's something more global i.e. soc power mgmt | 13:49 |
| minute | josch: we know that VPU drivers caused a suspend/wake hang before, for example. | 13:49 |
| josch | ah indeed | 14:01 |
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| Boostisbetter | josch: ok, just was wondering because I think being on a newer kernel than 5.12 would probably make some of my graphical glitches disappear as well. | 14:42 |
| josch | yes, that is not unlikely | 15:00 |
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| chaseadam | josch: no worries on trying your kernel, I will see if I can reproduce your findings over the next week | 15:13 |
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| AbortRetryFail | violet: the ath9k card i got with my Reform works just fine on 5Ghz. | 18:47 |
| AbortRetryFail | antenna placement maybe isn't so great, but it does work. :) | 18:47 |
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| minute | RCM4 is hopefully done, ordered 10x samples now https://mastodon.social/@mntmn/110430421907188039 | 19:28 |
| minute | this project is already going since nov 2011 lol | 19:28 |
| sevan | very cool. so is the Banana Pi module our ticket for a dedicated Monkey Island 4 workstation? | 19:31 |
| sevan | or was the RPI one able to run it too. (I forget and it's not very easy to search for things on mastodon) | 19:32 |
| minute | i was able to play it with LS1028A + nvidia GPU :D | 19:33 |
| minute | not sure if bpi can do it, but i can try at some point | 19:33 |
| minute | not sure if GLES3 is enough | 19:33 |
| sevan | ahh, yes. The pcie card. | 19:35 |
| minute | btw today we tested a speaker upgrade on reform, which consisted of 2x pocket reform speakers placed in a void under the trackball... gives a lot more boom | 19:35 |
| sevan | nice. | 19:36 |
| sigrid | I actually thought of doing that in mine, now I wonder if you had different speaker installed there | 19:37 |
| sigrid | or are these the same ones like in the lcd frame? | 19:38 |
| minute | sigrid: no, the pocket ones have their own acoustic box | 19:39 |
| sevan | have you tried playing something overly bassey? | 19:40 |
| minute | sigrid: they are CUI CES-36181118PM67 | 19:40 |
| minute | sevan: well, it doesn't have a huge bass response | 19:40 |
| sigrid | nice, thanks | 19:41 |
| sevan | Didn't think it through, I thought perhaps it would interfere with the ball, but as you say, it doesn't have huge bass response :) | 19:43 |
| minute | sevan: downloading RTMI and norco to my bpi test reform. | 19:43 |
| sevan | \o/ | 19:43 |
| sevan | portal too! | 19:44 |
| minute | hehe. i didn't buy that yet | 19:44 |
| sevan | but this is important research! j/k :) | 19:44 |
| sevan | ACTION looks up norco | 19:45 |
| sevan | heh, tried to see if there was anything related to BPi and steam, landed on their BPi-steam product wiki https://bpi-steam.com/en/ | 19:53 |
| minute | oh wow, it works | 20:00 |
| minute | (RTMI) | 20:00 |
| sevan | fantastic! :) | 20:00 |
| sevan | so the BPi GPU is blobless? | 20:01 |
| minute | yes | 20:01 |
| minute | wow, it's fast even | 20:01 |
| minute | i.e. like 50fps | 20:02 |
| sevan | cool :) | 20:03 |
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| minute | sevan: i have to say i didn't expect this! so i set gl version override to 4.5 and boom | 20:06 |
| sevan | nice :) | 20:07 |
| minute | ah, forgot that norco is for windows, so that's a bit more involved | 20:09 |
| sevan | time for a little wine? ;) | 20:13 |
| minute | yeah, realized i can just install wine64:amd64 | 20:14 |
| sevan | outside of steam, I haven't touched anything in that world. | 20:14 |
| minute | steam was too complicated for me so i'm mostly trying gog | 20:15 |
| minute | which is without DRM | 20:15 |
| sevan | ack, impulse purchase without thinking it through. I assumed it was an exclusive and went for it on steam. | 20:17 |
| minute | ah, gog setup .exes are always 32-bit, highly annoying | 20:18 |
| minute | ok, looks like innoextract can do the job | 20:18 |
| minute | ah, for d3d11 games, one has to crank the override up to GL 4.6 | 20:22 |
| sevan | why the overrides? | 20:23 |
| minute | native is GL 3.1 | 20:23 |
| minute | (on a311d) | 20:23 |
| sevan | so the games require a certain GL version, but in reality, they only use a subset of functionality which can be satisfied with the GL 3.1 level of support? | 20:24 |
| minute | correct | 20:24 |
| sevan | understood :) | 20:25 |
| minute | ok, norco has random freezing problems. quite fancy that it shows something at all, being unity and all | 20:26 |
| minute | anyway, back to kicad! | 20:35 |
| sevan | thanks for checking RTMI :) | 20:40 |
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