2023-05-17.log

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jfredCan someone with a Reform run `upower -e` and show me what the output should look like? I'm still waiting on a fuse to replace F2 but I don't see an AC adapter device in mine which I would at least expect to see on other laptops01:53
jfredBut not sure if the Reform is different in that regard01:54
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jfredAlso poring over the schematics to try and understand exactly what could have caused my Reform's component failures and if there could be any secondary implications of those failures 01:56
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jfredAh, reading through scrollback and I just saw minute's comment about power flowing around F2 through the battery monitor chip. And I see mb2.5 swaps the 100 ohm R9 for a 10k ohm one. It's been way too long since I've done much electronics but I'm curious to understand what was happening... R9 is in between BAT1FUSED and pin C8 of the LTC6803, which appears to be one of the inputs for monitoring cell voltages. What effect does that have?03:51
jfredAlso trying to work out how Q17 could have failed (they didn't tell me how exactly but I think MOSFETs often fail short?) and if that might have damaged something elsewhere03:57
jfredMy ultimate goal of course is to 1) make sure that when I replace this fuse nothing else breaks and 2) try to avoid this happening again... but also would be nice to have a better understanding of how it all works 😅03:58
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chartreuseSounds like almost the same failure I had. My Q17 did fail again after replacing right away but that could have possbily been a bit of foil I missed or something, took out D5 with it as well the second time04:18
chartreuseCould have also been from power it up without the batteries that second time, dunno04:19
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minutejfred: LTC basically has a bug that makes it backpower the system through it's measurement lines. the changes to mb2.5 mitigate that10:21
minutejfred: i recommend to check if you have any shorts on any voltage rails10:21
minutejfred: also, if you have a lab power supply, you can see after switching on if the system eats a lot of power that it shouldn't (esp with no cpu module installed)10:22
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vkoskivminute: Is the guide for building ffmpeg/mpv with hw decoding still relevant? Thinking of trying it out.15:45
vkoskivAlso might look into the clapper flatpak. I'm not too sure how flatpaks work, as I try to avoid extra abstraction on my systems.15:46
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joschvkoskiv: what OS are you running on the reform?15:49
vkoskivv315:49
joschvkoskiv: in that case, your ffmpeg is already patched15:49
joschvkoskiv: and you can get clapper via "apt install clapper"15:49
vkoskivHm. I haven't observed hardware decoding in the interrupts file15:50
vkoskivMaybe it doesn't work if I'm using mpv when watching a youtube video?15:50
vkoskivI need to get a video file and test.15:50
joschvkoskiv: afaik the patches are for h264 hardware decoding and youtube will often serve you content in vp9/webm15:52
gsorayoutube will serve up to 720p in mp4 iirc15:53
vkoskivAh. I just downloaded a webp video. mpv played it with software decoding, and clapper failed to play it at all. "Not enough memory to allocate sink buffers"15:54
sknebelyoutube-dl (which I think mpv also uses in the backend when given a YT-url directly?) can be told to prefer specific formats too15:55
vkoskivI specified 720p for mpv and it's still downloading a vp9 video, it seems.15:55
sknebelhttps://github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl#format-selection15:56
vkoskivThanks, I'll try downloading mp415:57
vkoskivI have an mp4 video playing in mpv now, and I don't see the hw decode interrupts going up.15:58
vkoskivI do see the second one has 4 interrupts on cpu015:58
vkoskivHey! Clapper plays this mp4 video, and now I see it using hw decode15:59
vkoskivVery cool, it's using only 25% CPU too while playing16:00
vkoskivI'll try to find out if I can use clapper to play youtube videos directly with streaming16:00
joschvkoskiv: you can when you also install gtuber16:08
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vkoskivjosch: rafostar/gtuber? Doesn't seem like there is a package of it16:22
joschoh dear you are right!16:23
joschvkoskiv: would you like me to send you some *.deb packages?16:23
vkoskivIf you have some handy, that would be great16:24
vkoskivI can also try compiling it16:24
joschvkoskiv: in case you want to compile it yourself, the Debian sources are here: https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gtuber16:24
vkoskivNot 100% sure what gtuber *does*16:25
joschvkoskiv: it's what youtube-dl is but for gstreamer16:25
vkoskiv"C library to fetch media info from websites" is far from verboser :D16:25
joschvkoskiv: so if gstreamer is opening a https url, then the gstreamer gtuber plugin knows how to download and stream that16:25
vkoskivI don't know if I'm using gstreamer. Is that a clapper thing?16:25
joschvkoskiv: yes, clapper is a gstreamer frontend16:26
vkoskivCool. Then it's useful, clapper seems nice.16:26
joschi've been using it for nearly a year now because it can do hardware decoding out of the box16:26
vkoskivYeah, so far I've been happy enough with software decode in mpv, as it worked good enough16:27
vkoskivBut a more lightweight decoding is very nice to have.16:27
joschvkoskiv: https://mister-muffin.de/reform/gtuber/16:28
joschvkoskiv: the .changes file is signed with my GPG key so that you can make sure that this is not rooting your system :)16:29
vkoskivSo do I install these deb files one by one or is there a trick I don't know about?16:29
joschthere is not really a trick16:31
joschwget them and then apt install ./foo.deb16:31
joschi should upload them to experimental then it'll be easier to get them16:31
vkoskivIs that missing a file? I see it installed some libraries, but no gtuber binary16:38
vkoskivOh, I guess it just makes it so `clapper <youtube url>` works16:43
vkoskivI still get an error that the video is unavailable, but it's trying16:43
vkoskivThe error is coming from "gestgtubersrc.c" so I have to assume clapper picked up the library I just installed16:48
joschvkoskiv: https://github.com/Rafostar/gtuber/issues/5216:50
vkoskivhttps://pastebin.com/QD1QypDc16:51
vkoskivAh, recent failure.16:51
vkoskivSo it's *almost* working, then!16:51
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rafostar[m]<vkoskiv> "So it's *almost* working, then!" <- Until fixed, you can temporarily use some youtube proxy website like piped, by e.g: replacing `www.youtube.com` with `piped.kavin.rocks` in the link you are trying to play. Well, the speed of buffering/quality will depend on how fast that proxy is.17:34
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rafostar[m]<vkoskiv> "Ah. I just downloaded a webp..." <- How much do you guys allocate RAM to GPU and CMA? Might be too low. Dunno about Reform, but on RPi memory split is configurable.17:50
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minutehmm, MNT Reform with A311D is a remarkable experience 18:44
minuteit's so fast...18:45
vkoskivminute: What's the power draw like?18:50
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minutevkoskiv: around 7W idle with max display brightness :019:02
minuteso i think it's lower than with imx8mq...19:02
minutei guess it goes up if the cpus go to high freq (i.e. under load)19:02
minutegoes up to around 10W under load19:04
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vkoskivWow! That's really good, right?19:18
Boostisbetterhttps://upload.im.boosterfive.com:5281/upload/nYbnbIfO1iuRfCXx9lHndg_W/YAy_K3_HSsCU6Lu9nm9OSQ.jpg19:18
vkoskivBoostisbetter: You made a cyberdeck?19:18
vkoskivWith MNT keycaps, too!19:18
BoostisbetterYes sir. This is the Penkesu. Not my design but I helped with documentation and some of the firmware components.19:19
Boostisbetter'Really looking forward to being able to replace the Penkesu with the Pocket Reform. Although the Penkesu is pretty compelling for how affordable it is and easy to repair. 19:19
BoostisbetterI am equally impressed, however, with how capable the pi zero 2 w is. I mean I am using the 32 bit version of Pi OS on it because of the amount of RAM with the zero, but I have a Radxa Zero with 4gb of RAM and an Ampripper that I want to test. It would be a significant upgrade to the Penkesu. 19:24
minutevkoskiv: it is really good yes19:41
minuteBoostisbetter: cool!19:41
Boostisbetterminute: thanks, back on the Reform now. 19:42
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BoostisbetterI know this wasn't your intention, but the Reform is an amazing dosbox platform. 19:49
Boostisbetterthe keyboard and trackball are perfect for dos19:49
jfredminute: That's the 6803 and not the 4020 that has that bug, right? As they're both LTC parts19:50
minutejfred: sorry yep19:50
jfredUnfortunately I don't have a lab power supply (should probably get one) but I can check for shorts 19:50
minutejfred: good good19:50
jfredIs it backpowering out the V+ pin?19:50
jfred(Would be curious at what voltage too)19:51
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minutejfred: IIRC yes19:53
jfredRegardless I suppose a battery monitoring IC is not meant to have much power at all flowing through it... seems like a real unfortunate bug for that component to have, haha19:56
minuteyeah it is bizarre19:58
jfredminute: Will you be selling the version 2.5 motherboard separately at some point? Using the old motherboard in that 1U case you're working on could be nice as you might not even need batteries there and could mostly avoid that part of the board (though dunno if you were thinking of setting aside space for them as a UPS)20:01
joschwhat surprises me most about what i've read about A311D from minute is not so much its performance (because it appears i'm very happy with the compute power of the imx8mq) but the power to watt ratio -- that sounds so cool! i'm very hyped about more SoMs for the reform with similar characteristics :)20:05
minutejfred: yes, we def. will20:07
jfred\o/20:07
minutewe have a name now for the 19" device, it's MNT Rack Reform20:07
jfredjosch: I haven't been keeping up with it, does it have similar power draw as the current module with more performance?20:08
joschjfred: minute wrote some details a few hours ago here20:09
jfredAha20:09
jfredACTION scrolls back20:10
joschjfred: actually just one hour ago20:10
jfred7 watts idle! Not bad20:10
joschin completely different news, vagrantc has a branch of u-boot in Debian that makes the official Debian u-boot package work with the reform: https://salsa.debian.org/debian/u-boot/-/merge_requests/29#note_39952720:14
joschminute: will the rack reform require a different mainboard because now now charging circuitry is required? or could i buy a rack reform case to upcycle a reform mainboard 2.0 when i upgrade my reform to 2.5+?20:19
Boostisbetterawesome! great work vagrantc!20:20
Boostisbetterjosch: great question!20:21
minutejosch: it will use the existing mainboard!20:22
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joschminute: excellent!! :D20:23
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joschsomehow i feel more comfortable of having this "tower" of circuit boards (mainboard, rpcm4 adapter, some cm4 board, heatsink) in a stationary pc -- this would allow me to finally upgrade my HTPC setup :)20:25
josch(and i cannot use the imx8mq for that because it cannot decode 1080p h265)20:25
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sigridpretty sure it can?20:29
sigridat least g2 decoder seems to advertise that20:30
joschsigrid: yes, i know. and it works "somehow" but has graphical glitches20:30
sigridsounds like vpu driver bugs then20:30
joschso every few seconds the whole screen glitches out, recovers after another second and then glitches again20:30
joschsigrid: yes, but i cannot fix it so all i can do is buy different hardware XD20:30
sigrid:(20:31
sigridI'm still only working on h.264 g1 driver for 9front, g2 looked even more complex20:31
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Boostisbetterjosch: I am convinced that whatever the bug was that was causing v2 to crashing when resuming with 5.12 has been resolved in v3 with 5.12. I am close to 90 successful wake from standbys. 20:47
jfredminute: One data point that might be interesting - at the time of my Reform's failure it was plugged into a 20V supply (one of the USB-C barrel jack adapters) rather than the stock 24V one. And the failed transistor in my case was on the step-up side of the buck-boost converter20:48
minutejfred: hm20:48
vagrantcjosch: you don't take enough credit for that the u-boot stuff; you did the hard parts :)20:50
vagrantcstill the licensing issues appear to make it only somewhat useful, unfortunately...20:50
jfredI'd also noticed my USB-C AC adapter occasionally flashing its status LED and refusing to charge, though I haven't yet found documentation on what that means20:50
vagrantce.g. does not work out-of-the-box20:50
joschvagrantc: nono, i did the fun part -- you do are doing the hard part of doing the boring integration stuff :D21:26
joschvagrantc: i'm surprised the submitter of the firmware-imx package didn't read the license before filing that ITP21:27
joschor maybe i'm misunderstanding the licens21:27
joschactually...21:27
joschminute: you are distributing imx firmware bits as well -- do you have some special arrangement with NXP that allows you to do so? because reading their license, one is only allowed to redistribute the blobs with some special agreement thing21:28
joschjfred: which usb-c adapter are you using?21:28
vagrantcjosch: i think you are more correct than not in reading that license ...21:29
vagrantcbut what do i know? :)21:30
jfred josch: It was an Anker PowerPort Atom PD 2. (And the barrel Jack adapter was... some no-name brand off Amazon)21:30
jfred(Lol, just noticed autocorrect capitalizing things mid-sentence)21:31
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minutejosch: no, i did not ask for permission21:50
minutejosch: i assumed that it would be tolerated21:50
joschwell unlikely anything bad is going to happen (and i'm not a lawyer so maybe i'm misreading the license)21:55
joschjfred: is this the no-name barrel jack adapter you are using by any chance? https://www.amazon.de/cablecc-Netzstecker-Emulator-Trigger-Ladekabel/dp/B07PBG4GY6 that's the one referenced in the community thread https://community.mnt.re/t/will-we-be-able-to-usb-power-mnt-reform/24121:58
minutestrange, it's impossible to change chromium's search engine now in debian?21:59
joschminute: according to chromium changelog 104.0.5112.101-1~deb11u1 from last year august, the default is duckduckgo and there should be a way to change it in Settings -> Search Engine22:11
minutejosch: yeah but it's somehow not possible to customize anything there, i.e. the UI for adding engines is missing22:13
joschminute: did you try editing search_provider_overrides in /etc/chromium/master_preferences22:14
minutethanks, let me see22:15
joschi'm not a big chromium user, what i wrote now mostly comes from https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=95601222:16
minutejosch: sorry for the trouble. it works now after creating a new profile/signing in22:18
joschcool! :)22:18
jfredjosch: That looks like the one, yeah22:44
joschjfred: i'm having the same problem about refusing to charge with the flashing led22:46
joschjfred: workaround is to just unplug and re-plug22:47
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jfredYeah, unplugging/re-plugging had worked for me - but given that my Reform later let the magic smoke out after doing that, I wonder if trying to work around it is inadvisable22:49
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joschjfred: maybe -- i'm doing the re-plugging about once per day. No magic smoke yet ;)23:16
jfredMay the smoke stay ever contained :P23:30
Boostisbetterjosch: are you aware of Debian is available in a 32 bit reason for the rpi? 23:38
Boostisbetterjosch: are you aware if Debian is available in a 32 bit version for the rpi? 23:38
joschBoostisbetter: it is -- Debian has armel and armhf for 32bits23:39
Booster[m]That is awesome. I think I will switch to that on the Penkesu23:39
joschthe raspbian people have recompiled armhf with some additional flags to be better optimzied for the old pis23:39
joschBoostisbetter: http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianFAQ#What_is_Raspbian.3F23:40
joschthis only applies to the rpi2 and earlier23:42
joschlater versions do 64 bit23:42
joschand even the rpi2 can do 64bit with Model B v1.223:44
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