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| Booster[m] | minute: the only reason why I'm not excited about the LS SoC upgrades despite the 8 and 16vb RAM is the two core CPU behind it. I don't understand why it is limited to 2 threads? 4 threads and 16 GB would be heavenly. | 11:46 |
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| Booster[m] | Hahahaha | 11:46 |
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| eery | Booster[m]: Two A72 cores will (usually) outperform four A53 cores, the A72 microarch is just that much faster | 13:16 |
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| minute | Booster[m]: yep, i wish that chip was quadcore. they have really big layerscapes but none of them have display | 13:49 |
| minute | here is a table of all of them (need to click on "see all layerscape processors") https://www.nxp.com/products/processors-and-microcontrollers/arm-processors/layerscape-processors:QORIQ-ARM | 13:51 |
| minute | ls2048 or lx2162a would be cool, but they don't have gpus, so would require an mxm gpu and power draw would become an issue | 13:53 |
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| Boostisbetter | minute: possible desktop scenario then. I really like the i.MX8 currently in the Reform, just wish it had more RAM, so the cool in the pocket is a good upgrade to me. | 14:18 |
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| minute | btw my reform died yesterday (5v rail problem, will fix tomorrow) and i was able to just plug the ssd into pocket reform and grab some data i needed | 14:22 |
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| _nrb_ | I updated my reform uboot yesterday, but now it stops at "=> bb" in U-Boot. What did I do wrong? | 14:37 |
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| _nrb_ | Looks like this https://cloud.n7r.de/s/QibtJaB85CfKXTJ | 14:39 |
| c-keen[m] | something maybe noise on the serial line interrupted the automatic boot sequence | 14:50 |
| c-keen[m] | you are now at an uboot prompt you may continue the boot there manually. | 14:50 |
| c-keen[m] | Does that happen everytime? | 14:50 |
| c-keen[m] | if unsure just hit enter and type reset, which triggers a reboot of uboot and it will happily continue booting | 14:51 |
| c-keen[m] | * and type 'reset, * reset', which | 14:51 |
| c-keen[m] | or maybe you accidentally hit a key when booting up | 14:51 |
| c-keen[m] | you have a 3 second time window to stop the automatic boot sequence | 14:51 |
| c-keen[m] | by pressing a key | 14:52 |
| Booster[m] | minute: any idea why your 5v died? Did you stress it more than usual? | 14:56 |
| minute | Booster[m]: i don't have diagnostics tools at home. i think component failure by aging | 15:09 |
| minute | c-keen[m]: i believe josch had a patch for that | 15:10 |
| Booster[m] | minute: how old is your Reform? | 15:10 |
| minute | Booster[m]: well, mine are usually the oldest ^^ | 15:10 |
| minute | the motherboard is probably around 2.5 years old and has been heavily used | 15:11 |
| Booster[m] | OK, do you traditional suspend, leave on, or turn off when not in use? | 15:19 |
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| eery | I'm curious too - seeing how much I stress my own system, it'd be useful to have an idea what components will fail first | 15:37 |
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| josch | _nrb_: do you have a serial cable attached at the time when it stops booting like that? | 16:18 |
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| minute | Booster[m]: i don't use suspend | 16:48 |
| Booster[m] | minute ahh ok well that is good to know. It means that the component spent its life at tempature and that 2-3 years is not that bad for component failure. | 16:52 |
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| Booster[m] | josch minute Gentlemen do you know if there is a command you can issue to retry initilizing the wifi card on the Reform? Say after you resume from suspend and it isn't there? I suppose it is the same command that the reform-suspend script is using right? | 17:05 |
| Booster[m] | minute: heat is the real killer of electronics, that is one of the reasons I like suspend. Turning off a computer is also good, but the turning on part over time stresses components as well. So I have found that suspend is the best way to extend the life of computer components over time. | 17:16 |
| Booster[m] | not scienctific or anything, but my observations nonetheless. | 17:17 |
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| josch | Booster[m]: first search result on duckduckgo: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/29775/reset-a-pci-device-in-linux | 17:37 |
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| josch | Booster[m]: in my own experience, hardware (except for spinning disks) is able to surive a decade at temperatures much higher than the reform cpu temperature while being switched on 24/7 | 17:38 |
| Booster[m] | josch: I suppose if the temps remain semi constant that would make sense. | 17:39 |
| Booster[m] | josch: oddly enough, after I suspended and then came back in about 4 hours, upon resuming, wifi was working again. So I think the car just gltiched a bit. This would mean that the reform-suspend script portion dealing with wifi on/off should be usable in the scenario I had. | 17:40 |
| Booster[m] | I'll try it out the next time I have that issue. | 17:40 |
| Booster[m] | As of right now though I am 21 and 0 with resuming from suspend. It is working really well with the work-around that minute provided on the forums. | 17:41 |
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| josch | great! :D | 17:42 |
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| Boostisbetter | bummer, I just had the first failure on resume. Still ain't that bad. So far that would make suspend about 90% effective for me, which is good enough. | 17:54 |
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| Boostisbetter | So anybody in here interested in Framework's offerings now that they have an AMD based system? | 18:12 |
| Boostisbetter | I know that from a freedom standpoint AMD is considered worse than Intel, but just curious. | 18:13 |
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| Boostisbetter | 🦗️ | 19:24 |
| sknebel | *shrug* its nice that they have both options, but its neither a "OMG need one now" point nor was them not having AMD a "will never consider one" factor for me | 19:28 |
| murph[m] | Framework treated us very poorly as a customer for a Gen 1 framework. Would not recommend. | 19:32 |
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| Booster[m] | sknebel: They have AMD now on their 3rd gen 13 and the new 16 | 20:12 |
| Booster[m] | murph: I am a moderator on their forum. I am very surprised to hear about that, would you care to elaborate on that? | 20:12 |
| sknebel | Booster[m]: yes, that was the context :D | 20:12 |
| Booster[m] | sknebel: I understand. I know that it isn't for everybody. I just see them doing something in the marketspace that no one on their scale is doing. I have been behind the scenes on many support cases, and I think they are doing a really great job. | 20:13 |
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| Booster[m] | I am curious about murph though. | 20:15 |
| murph[m] | Booster Sure, mt partner bought an 11th gen Intel Framework, and it has a problem with the battery if it is left unplugged for a few weeks. The solution to this was unimpressive. | 20:15 |
| murph[m] | This was the official word from support: | 20:15 |
| murph[m] | "For folks on 11th Gen Mainboards, our guidance continues to be that if you plan to leave the laptop unplugged for weeks/months, to do so with power plugged in." | 20:15 |
| Booster[m] | murph: ahh yes, I have 2 11th gens here, and that RTC battery was a real issue. | 20:15 |
| murph[m] | Was? Is there an actual solution? | 20:16 |
| Booster[m] | They came up with a fix that required soldering the board, etc. Now they are coming up with a fix that you just have to solder one thing. | 20:16 |
| Booster[m] | I never had the problem because of how I use the computer. My 11th gen mainboard is now a server running a bunch of my home hosted services. | 20:16 |
| Booster[m] | But my wifes does occasionally. I just remember to plug it in for 24 hours occassionally and I haven't seen the issue. | 20:17 |
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| Booster[m] | I realzie this isn't acceptable for a product | 20:17 |
| Booster[m] | so I'm not trying to downplay it. | 20:17 |
| Booster[m] | 12th adn 13th gen board don't have the RTC issue. | 20:17 |
| Booster[m] | unfortunately Framework is not big enough to afford recalling the 11th gens. | 20:17 |
| Booster[m] | rock and a hard place. | 20:17 |
| murph[m] | I recommended it for her to buy, and she only uses it occasionally. I look really stupid for doing so. This was brought to them under warranty, and they kicked the can until the warrant was up. | 20:17 |
| murph[m] | rock and a hard place is where I am with it. I was really ready to buy one for myself, but I can't see supporting a company that left me out int the cold with this issue. | 20:18 |
| Booster[m] | yeah, I hear ya. I think just with all the other things they are doing, I can forgive a engineering mistake on their otherwise stellar 11th gen mainboard. | 20:18 |
| Booster[m] | but I am the exception I think in this case. | 20:19 |
| murph[m] | I see it differently. She paid good money for it, and there was no warning that it was not fit for purpose. A laptop that has to be left plugged in all the time is not realistic to me. | 20:19 |
| murph[m] | They should do something for people that supported them early. | 20:20 |
| Booster[m] | well not all the time. You had to plug it in for 24 hours at least once a week I believe. | 20:20 |
| Booster[m] | I know that is annoying, but I think within the bounds of the law, they are ok. | 20:20 |
| Booster[m] | because the product is otherwise usable. | 20:20 |
| murph[m] | Does that seem like a real solution? Would you accept it from Dell or Apple? | 20:20 |
| Booster[m] | Still don't get me wrong, I understand you | 20:20 |
| murph[m] | If it was me, I would have never seen it since I'm an every day user. But for her. it's really not good. | 20:21 |
| Booster[m] | I would not, but then again neither company is making a repairable upgradable computer. | 20:21 |
| Booster[m] | I am using the 11th gen case with my 12th gen mainboard. | 20:21 |
| Booster[m] | MNT is the only other company doing something like that. | 20:21 |
| murph[m] | It's not repairable from my perspective. Having to buy a new motherboard out of pocket when it is under warranty is not repairable. | 20:21 |
| murph[m] | If they would give a serious discount on a 12th gen board, I might be interested, but they have offered Nothing. | 20:22 |
| murph[m] | It's disappointing, I liked the concept, but they let me down, and I can't go forward supporting them. | 20:23 |
| murph[m] | I have ordered the MNT pocket. | 20:24 |
| Booster[m] | murph: It is repairable, but it is an unreasonable repair to ask a customer to perform | 20:24 |
| murph[m] | Thanks for acknowledging that. | 20:24 |
| Booster[m] | https://community.frame.work/t/rework-instructions-for-11th-gen-mainboards-to-enable-rtc-battery-charging-from-the-main-battery/26922 | 20:25 |
| Booster[m] | That is the thread detailing the fix, and the efforts they are making to make the fix more managable. | 20:25 |
| Booster[m] | Also the MNT Pocket Reform is going to be awesome and I can't wait for it. I'm so glad they went smaller and not bigger than the Reform already. | 20:26 |
| Booster[m] | Portable pocket like computers are my jam. I just love them. | 20:26 |
| Booster[m] | The ortholinear keyboard is also excellent, and the mini trackball isawesome. | 20:27 |
| Booster[m] | I have ever already started looking at hacking mine to put the a Framework mainboard in it. | 20:27 |
| Booster[m] | hahahahaha | 20:27 |
| Booster[m] | but I probably wont. The Reform has shown me that the CPUs in them are more than capable and they are an excellent computing platform | 20:28 |
| murph[m] | I'm looking forward to the pocket as well, looks well designed. | 20:33 |
| Booster[m] | have you ever held a MNT Reform before? | 20:33 |
| murph[m] | as far as the fix, I've done plenty work PCs, but I'm not comfortable with that much soldering on the motherboard. | 20:34 |
| Booster[m] | If not, tank describes it best. | 20:34 |
| murph[m] | i have not had the opportunity to play with an mnt | 20:34 |
| Booster[m] | When they say that they are built to last, they mean it. | 20:34 |
| - rdg (PART: WeeChat 3.5) (~rdg@user/rdg) | 20:35 | |
| murph[m] | I jumped in on it, looking forward to getting it in my hands. | 20:35 |
| jfred | murph[m]: Hold on are you the murph I met at VCF East? | 20:39 |
| murph[m] | Very likely. | 20:39 |
| jfred | (Was wearing a Mastodon shirt) | 20:39 |
| jfred | Small world, haha | 20:39 |
| jfred | Thought that nick sounded familiar | 20:40 |
| josch | murph[m]: for what it's worth, whenever i had trouble with my MNT hardware, they were very quick with sending me replacement parts | 20:40 |
| josch | for example i had this problem where the TX pin of my serial was busted -- got a new SoM sent to me immediately that fixed the problem (this is not cheap!) | 20:41 |
| murph[m] | That's what real customer service is like, and would be rewarded with loyalty. | 20:42 |
| josch | yup, i'm definitely sticking with MNT in big parts because of how customer friendly and honest they are | 20:42 |
| josch | so when the LS1024A crowdfunding started, i immediately signed up :D | 20:43 |
| Booster[m] | Even though I still support Framework, I 100% agree with josch on that as well. MNT is great. | 20:44 |
| Booster[m] | Also speaking of the LS1024A, I think it is going to be great, but the 2 threads it offers is just not going to be great with virtualization. | 20:45 |
| Booster[m] | That is the one area where 16gb of RAM would make the most sense to me. | 20:45 |
| josch | the trackball version 2 board is known to fry the sensor chip because of a mistake in the circuit board -- MNT will just send you a new sensor chip if yours gets fried | 20:45 |
| Booster[m] | Still the 8gb coming in the Pocket is going to be excellent. I am going to use it all. | 20:45 |
| Booster[m] | Also the trackball is life. Just saying. Once you go trackball you never go back. | 20:46 |
| josch | +1 | 20:46 |
| jfred | Props to MNT for offering to fix my Reform when it had a charging mishap, I ended up sending it to a more local repair shop to save on shipping costs to Germany (which turns out is actually going to cost more overall but if they're able to fix it that's one more shop with Reform experience so I don't mind) | 20:47 |
| josch | i hear a thin reform is coming with just trackpad and without the 18650 batteries but slim ones (lipos i guess?) -- it's not for me, i love the trackball and being able to replace single lifepo4 cells :D | 20:47 |
| jfred | I really shouldn't buy any more laptops but when that comes out I *probably* will end up buying one haha | 20:48 |
| josch | there is a forum thread where Lukas lists how many repairs they already did and of which kind the faults were | 20:48 |
| jfred | Oh, though if it can only have a trackpad... hmm, I also really like the trackball | 20:48 |
| jfred | Decisions decisions | 20:49 |
| Booster[m] | I think that will appeal to a lot of people, but like you, I find the MNT Reform to be perfect. I love the 18650 cells, and I love the big box like thinkpad like case. I love it. | 20:49 |
| josch | another advantage of the big box is, how much more hardware you can then cram into it: https://community.mnt.re/t/adding-lte-modem-and-other-usb-devices/1215 | 20:50 |
| jfred | ...you know that is tempting | 20:51 |
| Booster[m] | heck yes it is. I have even though about putting a pi-zero and running 2 system at once. | 20:52 |
| Booster[m] | The wan card in there would be awesome as well. | 20:52 |
| josch | how about a beowulf cluster of pi-zeroes??? ;) | 20:52 |
| jfred | I switched to Google Fi recently specifically because they let you have a bunch of data-only SIMs on the same line | 20:52 |
| jfred | With the Pocket Reform in mind (alongside a work phone) but if I could cram an LTE modem in my full size one too... 🤔 | 20:53 |
| Booster[m] | you totally can. | 20:53 |
| Booster[m] | Yeah josch's MNT is pretty awesome. If you haven't seen that thread, check it out. He details everything nicely. | 20:53 |
| jfred | Well, it's moot until I get mine back from the repair shop, but might have to do that soon | 20:54 |
| jfred | The one thing I don't like about the big box is how hard it is to fit into some bags. But then, I'll have the Pocket Reform for that | 21:04 |
| - gnou_liber (QUIT: Read error: Connection reset by peer) (~gnou_libe@223.pool85-50-3.static.orange.es) | 21:17 | |
| Booster[m] | yeah I hear ya. I just like the design so much that I just ignore that fact. Hahahaha. | 21:23 |
| + S0rin (~S0rin@user/s0rin) | 21:23 | |
| Booster[m] | minute: when the Reform is suspended, are the wifi and NVME drives powered? | 21:24 |
| - chomwitt (QUIT: Ping timeout: 246 seconds) (~chomwitt@2a02:587:7a14:6200:1ac0:4dff:fedb:a3f1) | 21:27 | |
| + chomwitt (~chomwitt@2a02:587:7a1f:b500:1ac0:4dff:fedb:a3f1) | 21:29 | |
| + gnou_liber (~gnou_libe@223.pool85-50-3.static.orange.es) | 21:30 | |
| bluerise | minute: https://source.denx.de/u-boot/u-boot/-/commit/ebe2e0c309470249ffb09480d39c2dea9e64871c \o/ | 21:32 |
| - ajr (QUIT: Remote host closed the connection) (~ajr@user/ajr) | 21:46 | |
| - S0rin (QUIT: Read error: Connection reset by peer) (~S0rin@user/s0rin) | 21:50 | |
| josch | \o/ | 21:52 |
| josch | one step closer to d-i working out-of-the-box :) | 21:52 |
| josch | oh no scratch that because uboot for the reform would still be non-free | 22:04 |
| Booster[m] | one of the things i really like doing with the Reform is acting like it is a 1992 486 running DOS. It does that so well. | 22:19 |
| + ajr (~ajr@user/ajr) | 22:28 | |
| Booster[m] | josch: do you have a good source for game Starcraft game media ISOs? I was hoping GoG.com but sadly that don't appear to have it. | 22:41 |
| josch | no, i don't | 22:44 |
| josch | i dd-ed my own CD-s decades ago XD | 22:44 |
| josch | and the the last broodwar patch before remastered is essentially an official no-cd crack | 22:44 |
| josch | if you copy the mpq files into the game directory, you can play without having to mount the CDs | 22:45 |
| _nrb_ | c-keen[m]: Happens every time and I cannot type anything :( | 22:55 |
| _nrb_ | josch: No unfortunately not but I can attach one | 22:55 |
| - cwebber` (QUIT: Remote host closed the connection) (~user@024-151-142-028.res.spectrum.com) | 22:57 | |
| josch | _nrb_: i'm only asking because i had the same problem when i had a serial adapter atteched when booting it | 22:57 |
| josch | _nrb_: if you do not have one attached, then your problem is different | 22:57 |
| josch | _nrb_: the patch of mine that minute mentioned earlier patches uboot so that instead of accepting any key to interrupt the boot sequence, one has to press the space bar | 22:57 |
| josch | _nrb_: if you cannot type anything... what uboot version are you using? | 22:58 |
| - ajr (QUIT: Remote host closed the connection) (~ajr@user/ajr) | 22:59 | |
| - gnou_liber (QUIT: Read error: Connection reset by peer) (~gnou_libe@223.pool85-50-3.static.orange.es) | 23:00 | |
| + gnou_liber (~gnou_libe@223.pool85-50-3.static.orange.es) | 23:07 | |
| + vagrantc (~vagrant@2600:3c01:e000:21:7:77:0:50) | 23:53 | |
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