| dustfinger | I am curious how close LS1028A module is to begin shipping? | 00:03 |
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| bkeys | dustfinger: I am excited for cm4 module, although I am contemplating how much higher OpenGL versions are worth to me on a laptop. | 03:55 |
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| chartreuse | Even in a laptop having higher OpenGL is handy as many applications require higher than the MNT Reform currently provides for their hardware acceleration | 04:21 |
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| bkeys | Yeah higher opengl would be great; I would say I should be curious about the cm4 performance, but I already have a raspberry pi that is like a SBC version of it, it should be fine. | 07:43 |
| bkeys | I wonder what will change about battery consumption, imx8 gets pretty good battery life, I don't think the cm4 would be better | 07:43 |
| josch | minute: another idea about making flashing firware easier: for example the trackball registers as /dev/disk/by-id/usb-RPI_RP2_E0C9125B0D9B-0:0-part1 for me. If any of that string could be made more reform-specific, then it would be safer to flash because we could better guess the correct disk path. The E0C9125B0D9B seems to be the serial number which is supposed to be unique I guess. But maybe the | 08:01 |
| josch | RPI_RP2 part could be replaced by something uniquely idenitfying the MNT Reform Trackball 2? | 08:01 |
| chartreuse | One way of doing that could just be a udev rule to make a /dev/reform-trackball or similar device | 08:16 |
| josch | chartreuse: true -- we could ship a set of udev rules with the reform-tools package that maps their usb ids to /dev nodes | 08:33 |
| josch | but then you could only rely on that method when flashing from a reform | 08:33 |
| josch | i doubt very many people have two reform units at home so that they can flash one from the other :) | 08:33 |
| chartreuse | Yeah, though I would figure most people are flashing the keyboard/trackball on the reform itself, the only one that needs an external computer to do so is the LPC | 08:34 |
| chartreuse | Though for the keyboard people could be doing that on the standalone one so might make sense there to maybe mess with the disk id there | 08:34 |
| josch | another way would be to have the flashing script grep the output of "udevadm info --query=all -n /dev/disk/by-id/usb-RPI_RP2_E0C9125B0D9B-0:0" | 08:38 |
| josch | this will then include ID_USB_VENDOR_ID=2e8a and ID_USB_MODEL_ID=0003 | 08:38 |
| josch | minute: should the ID_USB_VENDOR_ID not be something MNT specific? | 08:39 |
| chartreuse | The Vendor ID and such will be "free" ones from the USB stack that's licensed. I doubt MNT has paid the licensing fees for MNT specific ID's to use | 08:39 |
| chartreuse | You'd likely want to use some other identification field from the usb device like the string to look for the reform parts | 08:40 |
| josch | okay, but the ID_USB_MODEL_ID is "3" which also doesn't sound very unique :) | 08:53 |
| josch | oh dear... getting a vendor id seems to be 5000 USD per year... :( | 08:55 |
| josch | oh but wikipedia says " Some microcontroller manufacturers offer a free or low cost sublicense of their vendor ID" | 08:56 |
| josch | "Alternatively, many members of the open source community promote the use of USB VID 0xF055 (visually similar to FOSS) for open-source hardware projects." | 08:56 |
| josch | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_Implementers_Forum | 08:56 |
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| chartreuse | Yep | 09:10 |
| chartreuse | That's why a lot of things find other ways of identifying themselves, like the string, or some other protocol on top of it or such | 09:11 |
| josch | chartreuse: which string are you referring to? | 09:12 |
| josch | chartreuse: what i ultimately would like to achieve is a reliable way to tell that /dev/sda1 is indeed a MNT trackball, keyboard or mainboard | 09:15 |
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| rah | josch: udevadm info /dev/sda | 13:10 |
| josch | rah: yes, i'm aware. I'm wondering though whether usb model of 0x0003 is indeed making this device unique or not. | 13:14 |
| josch | because the vendor is otherwise just "raspberry pi" (in case of trackball 2) | 13:14 |
| josch | or maybe something MNT-specific could be put into the serial number of the ID_SERIAL property? | 13:18 |
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| dustfinger | bkeys: cm4 is cool, but I really need at least 16 GB of RAM. 32 GB would be better still. | 17:29 |
| Boostisbetter | I could say the same. More RAM equals mo better yeah. | 17:30 |
| dustfinger | I rarely use less than 16 GB of ram. I wish that were not the case, but it is. | 17:31 |
| dustfinger | I am hoping I can make due on 16 GB. I think I probably can with the right setup. | 17:31 |
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| bkeys | dustfinger: Yeah I agree; 8 is minimum for me for comfortable use | 19:24 |
| josch | i'm wondering what applications you are using that require that much ram. I understand that i definitely need 32+ GB at my work place because we run our algorithms on multi-GB datasets and need to build large datastructures in memory. But on the reform the CPU is so slow that i wouldn't know what to do with that much ram other than creating a very large ramdisk for my /tmp. | 19:29 |
| andreas-e | Sometimes compiling software takes a lot of RAM, especially when it is written in C++. Yesterday I tried to compile two different versions of zig on my x86 machine with 16GB of RAM and got an out of memory error. | 20:07 |
| andreas-e | While compiling both in parallel; I could solve it by compiling one after the other. But with 4GB of RAM, it would probably not have passed. | 20:08 |
| sigrid | sounds like poor quality of software | 20:11 |
| josch | *cough* chromium *cough* | 20:17 |
| josch | yes, c++ templates eat ram for breakfast unfortunately | 20:17 |
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| dustfinger | josch: I plan on using it for development. I know the cpu is not powerful, but maybe that will put pressure on me to keep my code optimized :-) Maybe I won't need as much ram as I think I will. I am already thinking about having a local server to offload work to,so we will see. Also, maybe I can hookup an external gpu and offload some work to that. | 21:47 |
| dustfinger | I am guessing that the LS1028A is still a ways off from being ready for shipping, since it is still in pre-order status at the store. | 21:48 |
| sknebel | dustfinger: status as reported here a few days ago was that the second board revision is being tested, but it'll need at least another respin & that being verified | 21:52 |
| dustfinger | sknebel: Thanks! Any insight into how long the respin / verification takes? Also, I don't seem to see the v2.5 of the motherboard for sale on the shop? Will the new motherboard be available for purchase? | 21:58 |
| sknebel | no idea | 22:00 |
| dustfinger | np. I was just curious. | 22:00 |
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