2023-04-21.log

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jfredI loved my Libretto 70ct. I think that's what started my love of tiny computers03:32
jfredThe Pocket Reform will be a wonderful modern replacement I think ;)03:43
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+ Boostisbetter (4a410829d7@irc.cheogram.com)09:38
BoostisbetterIndeed, and if the SOCs keep getting worked on the potential for the pocket just continues which is awesome! 09:44
+ andreas-e (~Andreas@2001:861:c4:f2f0::c64)10:15
andreas-eHello Guix!10:18
andreas-eHello rekado!10:18
andreas-eWhat is the relationship between tensorflow and tensorflow-lite? They are at different major versions.10:19
andreas-erekado: ci.guix.gnu.org has apparently disappeared.10:19
andreas-eSorry, wrong channel!10:19
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joschandreas-e: usually you can hit the TAB key to autocomplete nicknames. This already helped me a lot to avoid writing to the wrong channel because tab-completion wouldn't work. :)10:44
andreas-eAh, thanks for the hint, very useful also with long and complicated nicknames.10:46
Boostisbetterminute: woah! Over half a million raised for the pocket! Clearly the pocket was a good idea! 11:25
sevanAndrew wrote an article on Durable Computing and the MNT Reform is featured https://www.rs-online.com/designspark/in-search-of-durable-computing it's free to read but behind login page, use: bypass@mailinator.com bugmenotbugmenot 11:53
minuteBoostisbetter: thanks! i think so too ^^ 12:14
minuteit will give us a little bit of breathing room12:14
pandora[m]ACTION posted a file: (7185KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/milliways.info/QRaVhyDoJkhKNNHXyqnhbdZh/In%20Search%20of%20Durable%20Computing.pdf >12:25
+ mjw (~mjw@gnu.wildebeest.org)12:35
joschminute: would it be possible that you run "git config commit.gpgsign true" on your machine so that your commits to the reform repos are signed with your gpg key or are there reasons against this?12:44
joschsince the mntre repo is still not signed, i was thinking about setting up a repo for the next Debian stable release that is signed -- but that's pointless if the machine producing the repo also just downloads unverified git commits and thus would not increase security at all over downloading from the existing unsigned repo12:45
andreas-eSo now I can speak about Guix in this channel and it is on topic :)12:52
andreas-ehttps://fosdem.org/2023/schedule/event/security_where_does_that_code_come_from/12:52
andreas-eI think we have a hook on the server that prevents unsigned commits to go through.12:53
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minutejosch: ok!13:28
joschminute: cool! you might also have to edit user.signingKey in case your git identity cannot be found amongst your gpg keys13:31
joschthere is also the tag.gpgsign setting13:31
minuteok, i need to read up on all of this13:32
joschof course :)13:32
minuteit's in my todo list now!13:33
joschthank you!13:33
pandora[m]ACTION uploaded an image: (3717KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/milliways.info/vxbyCJjpPkTWBckwEkhwYVsN/Screenshot%202023-04-21%20at%2013.31.58.png >13:34
pandora[m]ahh .... sorry. wrong chat13:34
sknebelpandora[m]: are those the track gauges?13:34
sknebelIf yes, thanks for mis-pasting 😅13:35
pandora[m]yes ... i wanted to post it into the camp channel :D13:35
minuteohh, camp13:36
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q66camp \o/13:54
c-keen[m]yes!13:56
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sknebelah, new camp blogpost today, thats why theres suddenly so much chatter15:05
mjwcamp?15:06
sevanccc15:07
sknebelhttps://events.ccc.de/2023/04/21/camp2023/15:08
mjwah, thanks15:10
pandora[m]there was a good talk about how camp will look like - ish this year at EH2015:51
pandora[m]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwH0fuqQcXA15:51
andreas-eWell, MNT Pocket Reform is camp, especially in the purple variant with rainbow keyboard backlights!15:57
pandora[m]i habe the pocket will be released before :) tho i think camp is probably too early for that15:58
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+ mntrkx7 (~root@p509936c9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)20:57
mntrkx7testing RKX7 fpga module once again, this time with quadcore risc-v @ 100mhz20:57
sigridhow much power does that thing draw?20:58
mntrkx7around 6W20:58
mntrkx7trying to build with 8 cores.20:59
mntrkx7to make it really useful with hd display, someone should implement some DMA operations for scrolling etc20:59
mntrkx7brb20:59
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minute8 cores work, huh.21:11
Boostisbettervery nice!21:12
minutei wonder what the maximum is on these fpgas21:12
Boostisbetterspeaking of the pocket, that 8gb of RAM is a big win for me. ANy future upgrades that include more RAM without lowering the core count is an instant buy for me. 21:13
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Booster[m]hello everyone from the Matrix again. 22:52
Booster[m]cheogram is still being kind of finicky so I am connecting through here again as well. 22:53
vkoskivI just remembered that I haven't remapped HYPER to anything yet on my Reform keyboard. What are y'all using it for, if anything?23:01
vkoskivCTRL is usually there, but I really like the CTRL placement on the keyboard as is, it's the way it originally was back in the day. I got used to it fast.23:01
sigridfor media keys. brightness, volume control and skipping23:01
joschsame here -- i'm looking for creative things that i can do with my hyper key23:01
Booster[m]gar nichts. I haven't even really thought about it. But using it for volume and birghtness would be a good idea I think. 23:02
joschsigrid: did you figure out what you did wrong with your trackball pcb when you attempted to cut the trace? did you get it to work again?23:02
sigridI did not have time to figure out yet. I just put the old one in for now23:02
vkoskivsigrid: META+F{n} does that in the standard config, what prompted you to separate those to HYPER?23:03
sigridI wanted proper "hardware" media keys without setting any specific bindings in the OS https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform/-/commit/9adfe2dfb7a441afdc9b0886cf89cdb6d57c9eec23:03
sigridwith that change I got all of them work nicely in 9front with less code23:04
vkoskivSide note, I did start thinking about etching media control icons onto the F keys on my Reform.23:04
vkoskivI would bet that the local hacklab has a laser cutter :D23:04
vkoskivsigrid: Oh, your change is alread merged upstream? I need to reflash then!23:05
joschnone of the software i use utilizes f1, f2, f3 or f4, so i'm using those keys for volume up/down and brightness up/down23:05
vkoskivsigrid: There's a spec of official USB keyboard media controls, right? That's what you mean?23:06
sigridvkoskiv: I would totally recommend that. my last change merged made it power up much faster too23:06
vkoskivInstead of binding them in sway/other environments, say23:06
sigridyeah, usb hid defines media keys23:06
vkoskivVery cool! I'll flash tomorrow then.23:07
sigridI made sure it would detect as media keys on linux as well23:07
vkoskivSide note: Have y'all experienced this thing where adjusting the keyboard brightness doesn't seem to happen in proportional "steps"?23:07
vkoskivi.e. it "jumps" at a certain point23:07
vkoskivI tried to read the firmware source to find the issue, but couldn't spot anything obvious.23:08
vkoskivIt consistently happens on my unit.23:08
sigridyeah there is a bug in that logic23:08
vkoskivI just hit F1 three times and nothing happened with the brightness23:08
vkoskivA fourth press then incremented it23:08
vkoskivI guess I need a re-read of the logic, I wanted to fix that :D23:08
sigridfor me it's not a big issue because none of my keys have any engraving :D23:09
vkoskivI was also thinking about duplication of work w.r.t. the differences between the RP2040 and older ATMEGA firmwares. They are two distinct firmwares at the moment, right?23:09
vkoskivsigrid: blank keyboards look so cool, nice :D23:09
vkoskivI'm too much of a wuss to have blank keys on mine :D23:10
Booster[m]I made a Penkesu with blank keys, and I thought it would be a pain, but you learn to just make reference points anyway, and it works basically the same.23:10
Booster[m]But the Penkesu has a 40% keyboard. I wouldn't want to do that on a board with a lot more keys.23:11
vkoskivBooster[m]: Then again, I pretty much never look at my keyboard when typing. Only when I'm doing some weird punctuation do I look.23:11
vkoskivWith my reform, I made the first switch to american ANSI layout on any of my daily driver hardware. Previously I always used the ISO/Finnish+Swedish layout.23:12
vkoskivI got used to it surprisingly quickly.23:12
vkoskivIt's much nicer for programming anyhow.23:12
vkoskivAnd now if my other computers forget the keyboard layout I should have, I can work with it easy :D23:12
Booster[m]Vkoskiv: same here. Only need to look when using some special keys not used often. 23:25
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