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| josch | TIL: the reform2 heatsink was designed in openscad! | 00:40 |
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| JC[m] | awesome!! | 00:42 |
| josch | where was that model sent to be made into a heatsink? do they only do larger volumes? | 00:48 |
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| shaunsingh[m] | One other question, I suppose https://source.mnt.re/reform/mnt-reform-raspberry-pi-cm4-som/-/tree/d-2 isn't quite ready yet? I suppose I should go with the i.MX8M? | 00:50 |
| minute | shaunsingh[m]: currently working on polishing rcm4 yup | 01:25 |
| minute | shaunsingh[m]: imx8mq is the most mature. imx8mp has some pros and cons. | 01:25 |
| minute | josch: converted to step via freecad's openscad importer and then for example hubs.com can machine it | 01:26 |
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| minute | shaunsingh[m]: perhaps we should talk if you want to make a server thing, because we also want to go in that direction. maybe we can pool some efforts. | 01:28 |
| shaunsingh[m] | Sure, I learnt about the MNT project just earlier today, so I haven't looked *too* much into how the internals work quite yet. I'm also primarily experienced embedded software, with minimal pcb design knowledge so I this is going to be a bit of a learning exercise. | 01:38 |
| shaunsingh[m] | My end goal is to make an open source version of https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/uptimelab/compute-blade, with a swappable processor. It would be super cool to have an FGPA module accessible in a cheap server blade | 01:38 |
| shaunsingh[m] | I also wanted to build a reform for myself, with an e-ink display. My personal idea was to modify the motherboard to include an onboard e-paper display driver, then resize the chassis to account for the 4:3 aspect of the display | 01:38 |
| JC[m] | That all sounds amazing to me. I hope we can all collaborate and expand the selection of officially supported displays and form factors. | 01:41 |
| minute | shaunsingh[m]: cool! that will be a great learning experience for sure | 01:49 |
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| josch | The rule of economics of scale is rough sometimes. Produce a single part: pay 160 EUR for your part. Produce 100 of them: pay 10 EUR per part. But of course it makes sense that it is like that. | 05:02 |
| shaunsingh[m] | especially with the chip shortage and all prototyping is getting really expensive nowadays :( | 06:06 |
| shaunsingh[m] | I had a project that costed around 40$ for two assembled pcb's in 2019, switched it over to stm32 (avr is out of stock) and its around 120 for two pcb's now | 06:07 |
| shaunsingh[m] | and thats with 2 crystals missing, as they're out of stock | 06:07 |
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| ec0 | would anyone know if the trackball module for the pocket reform uses the same trackball module + sensor board as the non-pocket reform? | 06:42 |
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| josch | ec0: the trackball module from the normal reform would not fit into the pocket | 07:24 |
| josch | ec0: in the pocket reform, the trackball is unified with the keyboard: https://www.crowdsupply.com/mnt/pocket-reform/updates/a-technical-walkthrough | 07:25 |
| josch | ec0: but the sensor board itself is re-used (see the article) | 07:25 |
| ec0 | josch: thank you, I suspected based on the article and the kicad files this must be the case, however I couldn’t confirm if the trackball housing itself had been customised for the pocket | 07:26 |
| ec0 | you are right though, the article is explicit about that being different | 07:27 |
| ec0 | I couldn’t find design files for the housing/cup so thought I should ask rather than assume | 07:28 |
| josch | ec0: the housing? you mean the part containing the ball? the ball of the pocket reform is much smaller than the one in the reform | 07:37 |
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| ec0 | yep! the cup which retains the ball and is then fixed to the sensor and keyboard PCB | 08:41 |
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| minute | ec0: i think we haven't released the cup file for pocket trackball yet, as it is still being tweaked a bit. it doesn't have a top part as the bezel prevents the ball from falling out | 12:15 |
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| ec0 | minute: thank you for clearing that up - I was mostly just curious if the trackball unit could be reproduced for standalone use, and it seems the answer is not yet :) | 13:18 |
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| rah | I had a hard lock earlier, with a ghosting-like corruption of the display; has anyone else experienced hard locks with applications that use GL? | 18:16 |
| rah | or any hard locks for that matter | 18:17 |
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| minute | rah: the gpu driver (etnaviv) still has some bugs, but rarely full lockups. what app caused it? | 18:27 |
| minute | (and which compositor) | 18:28 |
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| vkoskiv | I used to get regular messages in the kernel message log about some kind of lockup with the gpu, but those haven't happened for a good while now | 18:28 |
| vkoskiv | sevan: I use sway. Upon learning about the reform for the first time, I switched to tiling window managers exclusively :D | 18:29 |
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| rah | minute: I can't say which app caused it but I was using Mixxx at the time, in sway | 19:05 |
| bkeys | minute: I saw on mastodon you appear to be back on cm4 adapter board, is this the case or are you just recycling the hdmi to edp adapter? | 19:15 |
| rah | (I was broadcasting live too, not cool) | 19:20 |
| minute | bkeys: recycling? | 19:37 |
| minute | rah: it's also possible that you ran out of RAM | 19:42 |
| vkoskiv | I can't even launch OBS on mine, GPU not compatible error | 19:57 |
| bkeys | minute: I mean are you back at cm4 adapter board, or were the pictures you posted on Mastodon just you repurposing the hdmi to edp adapter for some other purpose? | 20:01 |
| minute | bkeys: i am finishing the mechanical integration and manual for cm4 | 20:07 |
| bkeys | So what is it's status? Last I remember you hit some kind of roadblock due to hardware on the cm4 | 20:07 |
| bkeys | I believe you said there was some other cm4 compatible SoM you were gonna focus on; forgive me if I remember incorrectly | 20:08 |
| bkeys | minute: Will you be selling just the adapter board, or will it be like imx8plus where it's both SoM and adapter board? The idea of adapter boards really awesome and is one of the things that really push the Reform above other platforms like the Framework in my book | 20:10 |
| rah | minute: I don't think it's that; this was a hard lock with the display corrupted | 20:18 |
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| minute | bkeys: we won't be selling CM4 itself, just the adapter(s) incl hdmi->edp adapter and heatsink | 21:11 |
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| bkeys | minute: How long do you think until it's available for pre-order? | 22:42 |
| minute | bkeys: maybe like three weeks? | 22:45 |
| minute | would like to do the final respin to confirm everything | 22:45 |
| bkeys | That's awesome, I will be placing a pre-order the second it's dropped. Having vulkan support would be an awesome thing to have | 22:46 |
| bkeys | Have you tested it at all? | 22:47 |
| bkeys | I think I remember you saying you were gonna design an adapter board for some really powerful SoM that can have 16GB of RAM? | 22:50 |
| sevan | hmm, vulkan support, we can have a deadicated Monkey Island workstation? | 23:00 |
| sevan | vkoskiv: cool :) | 23:00 |
| vkoskiv | Currently debugging MPRIS on spotifyd so I can hook up nice media controls :D | 23:04 |
| vkoskiv | (I'm at the stage in the yak stack where I'm upgrading the rust compiler to a newer version) | 23:04 |
| sevan | s/deadicated/dedicated, must've been thinking of LeChuck | 23:10 |
| sevan | vkoskiv: :) | 23:10 |
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| minute | bkeys: without testing i wouldn't offer it | 23:13 |
| bkeys | Yeah I thought that right after I sent it | 23:21 |
| bkeys | minute: Have you tried out the edk2 available for cm4 on there? | 23:22 |
| minute | bkeys: nope | 23:24 |
| bkeys | Well I am really excited once it releases. Will you still have m.2 and pcie? | 23:25 |
| minute | only m.2 | 23:26 |
| minute | cm4 has only one pcie lane | 23:26 |
| bkeys | Makes sense, but it has built in wifi so that is fine | 23:27 |
| bkeys | What is the effect on battery life? I would guess the rpi would take more battery than the original imx8 | 23:28 |
| minute | can't answer that just yet | 23:35 |
| bkeys | I'm so glad the Reform exists | 23:36 |
| bkeys | Okay last question, how long do you think the pre-order will go on for? What lead times do you think there will be between pre-order and shipping? | 23:39 |
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