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| gsora | I wonder how power efficient that soc is | 09:54 |
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| gsora | 8x A72 cores must be power hungry | 09:55 |
| rah | the reform 2 runs pretty hot; I can feel the heat on my lap, it goes up to about 55C; is it OK to run at that temperature for extended periods and if it is OK, at what temperature should I start to get nervour? | 11:28 |
| rah | *nervous | 11:28 |
| vkoskiv | 55C is totally fine for silicon chips. | 11:33 |
| vkoskiv | 80s and 90s is where I'd be concerned. | 11:33 |
| pandora[m] | I don’t think u need to get nervous at all. Most chips can endure core temperatures above 100C (Apple M2 runs on Core Temp up to 105C). If the temperature gets to high the CPU starts to throttle automatically. | 11:35 |
| rah | I'm aware of the tolerance of silicon chips; I'm not aware of the tolerance of the Reform 2 | 11:36 |
| rah | bad things can and might happen well before the SoC starts throttling | 11:36 |
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| minute | rah: it is absolutely no problem. | 12:43 |
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| Boostisbetter | According to the Librem 5 which uses the same SoC 90 C is the limit | 12:48 |
| Boostisbetter | The Reform should never get anywhere close to that even in summer with its beefy heatsink. | 12:48 |
| + mjw (~wielaard@gnu.wildebeest.org) | 12:52 | |
| + cwebber (~user@user/cwebber) | 13:00 | |
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| vkoskiv | Last summer I used my Reform in direct sunlight and it was just fine. Body a bit warmer than usual of course. | 13:31 |
| vkoskiv | Long term though, I would expect the acrylic back to eventually start showing cracks or otherwise getting tired, but that's an easy part to replace. | 13:31 |
| josch | i have my reform on 24/7 and it always goes into my backpack even for extended periods of time (like a few hours for shopping or out with baby) because i cannot suspend -- that never was a problem heat-wise | 13:35 |
| + S0rin (~S0rin@user/s0rin) | 13:51 | |
| rah | minute: what is no problem? | 14:02 |
| - mjw (QUIT: Ping timeout: 276 seconds) (~wielaard@gnu.wildebeest.org) | 14:08 | |
| * wielaard -> mjw | 14:16 | |
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| minute | rah: the temperature. | 14:39 |
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| + chomwitt (~chomwitt@ppp-94-67-191-224.home.otenet.gr) | 15:48 | |
| Boostisbetter | josch, it is weird that you can't suspend. I have been suspending since day one on my Reform. | 15:51 |
| josch | Boostisbetter: well... i can suspend but when i resume, my ssd dies | 16:02 |
| Boostisbetter | josch, weird, I use a SSD as well and never have that problem. | 16:03 |
| josch | Boostisbetter: it's not likely due to the ssd. I tried three different ones including the one that works for others (the model that comes with the reform) and got the same results. | 16:04 |
| josch | Boostisbetter: https://community.mnt.re/t/standby-suspend-to-ram-mnt-reform/538/99 | 16:04 |
| minute | ok so i found a hardware bug in the rp2040 trackball | 16:12 |
| minute | that could lead to the sensor to die, and i think that is what happened in your case josch | 16:12 |
| josch | oh wow... if that is indeed the case then the rp2040 board *and* the sensor are bust :( | 16:13 |
| josch | and if that is the case then i'm lucky the rp2040 board didn't shred my working sensor when i tried switching them around :D | 16:13 |
| minute | josch: oh? i thought the rp2040 board works | 16:14 |
| josch | the buttons work, yes | 16:14 |
| josch | the sensor does not | 16:14 |
| minute | neither sensor? | 16:14 |
| josch | no, only one of the two doesn't work: the one that came with the rp2040 and was plugged to the rp2040 for the longest time | 16:14 |
| minute | in any case, the fix to the rp2040 board is reltively easy, a trace needs to be cut | 16:14 |
| josch | interesting... how did you find that out? | 16:16 |
| minute | i have a repair reform here and while this problem was not reported, i noticed it by chance | 16:17 |
| minute | buttons working but no movement | 16:17 |
| josch | yes, same here | 16:19 |
| minute | then i saw that the sensor was powered with 5V instead of 3V3 | 16:19 |
| minute | so i assume it is burned out | 16:20 |
| josch | oh woops :D | 16:20 |
| minute | this is the result of another bugfix on the board (a bridge resistor on the south pads of C3 and C22). that was correct but it also needs a trace to be cut, which was not done. so all the 3V3 power on that board is instead at 5V. | 16:21 |
| minute | the rp2040 appears to be tolerant to this, but the sensor not | 16:21 |
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| + murdock (~murdock@mobile-166-171-184-81.mycingular.net) | 16:28 | |
| minute | josch: https://community.mnt.re/t/trackball-v2-with-rp2040-requires-a-trace-cut/1473 | 16:51 |
| minute | also cc sigrid | 16:51 |
| minute | and anyone else who has trackball v2 | 16:51 |
| josch | awesome, that doesn't look hard to perform :) | 16:57 |
| sigrid | nice, thanks minute | 16:58 |
| + vagrantc (~vagrant@2600:3c01:e000:21:7:77:0:20) | 16:59 | |
| rah | minute: I don't understand | 17:13 |
| rah | minute: at what temperature should I start to get nervous? | 17:13 |
| minute | rah: you don't need to get nervous at all | 17:14 |
| minute | there haven't been any temperature related problems reported yet | 17:14 |
| josch | probably also because to get the reform into danger-territory you'd have to put it into an oven first ;) | 17:19 |
| rah | I see | 17:19 |
| rah | I'm skeptical | 17:19 |
| rah | we shall see | 17:19 |
| josch | for example right now I'm running the testsuite of one of my software projects which takes several hours to complete and runs all my four cores at 100%. I have my reform on the couch with me, so it bottom is relatively well insulated with a pillow. Still its temperature does not go above 65°C which is far away from danger territory. | 17:24 |
| rah | josch: what do you mean by "danger territory"? | 17:38 |
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| + wielaard (~mjw_@2001:1c06:2488:1400:4fd:39a7:74ac:7bae) | 19:02 | |
| josch | rah: as others have pointed out, danger territory would be temperatures upwards of 90°C | 19:43 |
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| josch | minute: one additional info in your RP2040 trackball fix post in the forum i would've liked to see would be where i could measure the volate to see the before/after difference myself to make sure that i carried out the procedure correctly. | 20:30 |
| josch | (people who are able to read circuit diagrams probably can figure this out by themselves but i'm not one of those :D) | 20:31 |
| minute | josch: oh yeah | 20:45 |
| minute | josch: added that info. | 20:48 |
| josch | thank you!! :) | 20:57 |
| minute | actually you can also beep between 5V and 3V3 (and there should be no beep), if the trackball pcb is still outside of the laptop. let me see | 20:59 |
| minute | josch: rewrote this https://community.mnt.re/t/trackball-v2-with-rp2040-requires-a-trace-cut/1473/2 | 21:04 |
| + Ar|stote|is (~linx@149-210-16-215.mobile.nym.cosmote.net) | 21:28 | |
| c-keen[m] | josh: I tried the shipped reform-check script | 21:39 |
| c-keen[m] | it complains about the missing reform apt repo but the file contains it, although there is a newline in the file before the entry | 21:40 |
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