| pandora[m] | @minute what kind of top variant do u use in this pic? | 00:32 |
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| pandora[m] | https://www.crowdsupply.com/img/8cdf/pref-screenshot-sway.png | 00:32 |
| pandora[m] | looks a bit like htop but it has those nice cpu load history graphs | 00:32 |
| violet | pandora[m]: i just googled a bit, apparently in htop when you're configuring the meters at the top, you can hit `spacebar` with one of them selected in the settings to change the style of the meter | 00:55 |
| violet | one of the styles is graph | 00:55 |
| pandora[m] | hmmm maybe i use a super old version of htop | 00:57 |
| pandora[m] | ah u r right... thx for the hint violet | 00:59 |
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| Guest80 | What is the second M2 slot for? | 18:52 |
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| minute | Guest80: one is for ssd, other for cell modem | 19:13 |
| pandora[m] | With what kind of keyboard layout does the pocket ship? US/International? | 19:23 |
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| minute | pandora[m]: QWERTY-US | 19:35 |
| minute | (kind of) | 19:35 |
| minute | i'm thinking to eliminate the coin cell holder on MNT Reform motherboard and powering the clock by standby 3v3 rail... opinions? | 19:35 |
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| pandora[m] | Perfect | 19:41 |
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| josch | minute: what would be the benefit of not having the coin cell holder anymore? | 20:26 |
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| minute | josch: well, i left it in now | 20:30 |
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| jfred | Any risk of that draining the device's battery much more quickly while the device is powered off? | 21:03 |
| rah | is the M.2 slot tested? | 21:06 |
| minute | rah: what do you mean? | 21:07 |
| minute | jfred: well, i left it in now | 21:07 |
| rah | which is to say, if I buy an NVMe SSD and stick it in, will it just work or will there likely be pain? | 21:08 |
| minute | rah: it varies from model to model, i.e. some work well and others don't. here is a thread about tests of different models https://community.mnt.re/t/confirmed-working-nvme-drives/224 | 21:16 |
| minute | rah: but this is with the imx8mq. the suspend problems mentioned will be... different. | 21:16 |
| minute | (as power management is different on the imx8mplus) | 21:17 |
| rah | I suspected as much | 21:17 |
| vkoskiv | Sometime in the last month or two, 'pacmd' stopped working on my v3 installation. | 21:26 |
| vkoskiv | It always just returns an error "No PulseAudio daemon running, or not running as session daemon." | 21:26 |
| vkoskiv | I think someone on the forums or irc shared a little snippet for switching the audio output between headphones and the speakers, and I had that in a shell script that triggered with a sway keycombo | 21:27 |
| vkoskiv | But pacmd is no worky anymore. | 21:27 |
| vkoskiv | pipewire and pipewire-pulse are running, so that's not the problem. | 21:28 |
| vkoskiv | I can still manually pop pavucontrol and toggle it in there, it's just cumbersome. | 21:28 |
| josch | i removed pipewire to get my audio back | 21:28 |
| josch | vkoskiv: this is the script i use to toggle audio output in my waybar: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/e74cb83b/ | 21:29 |
| vkoskiv | That is a fancy version of mine that does the same thing: https://paste.debian.net/1274304/ | 21:31 |
| minute | pactl should work with pipewire-pulse | 21:31 |
| vkoskiv | But even 'pactl list' fails to work with the same error | 21:31 |
| vkoskiv | Huh, pactl list works now | 21:31 |
| vkoskiv | It is the pacmd set-sink-port commands that fail with that error | 21:32 |
| minute | pacmd is not compatible | 21:32 |
| minute | but pactl is | 21:32 |
| vkoskiv | whoops, my scripts only use pacmd for everything | 21:33 |
| vkoskiv | yeah, pacmd at some point started to throw that error | 21:33 |
| minute | there's also wpctl | 21:34 |
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| josch | funny -- as both pacmd and pactl come from pulseaudio-utils i did not suspect that one might compatible while the other is not | 21:34 |
| vkoskiv | josch's script also throws that weird error for me | 21:35 |
| vkoskiv | So something is different on my system then | 21:35 |
| minute | maybe wpctl set-profile can do the job? | 21:35 |
| vkoskiv | I haven't touched anything in the audio stuff, I have no idea how linux audio works for the most part | 21:35 |
| minute | see also https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/pipewire/pipewire/-/issues/357 | 21:36 |
| minute | they say pacmd is no good, and one should migrate to pactl | 21:36 |
| josch | vkoskiv: once you find out how to do the same thing with pactl, write it here so that i can also update my script :) | 21:38 |
| vkoskiv | If I s/pacmd/pactl in josch's script, it switches to speakers but not back to headphones again | 21:38 |
| vkoskiv | Same with my script | 21:38 |
| minute | perhaps the headphone sink is called differently or sth? | 21:39 |
| vkoskiv | It works if I run the two set sink commands by hand | 21:39 |
| vkoskiv | I'm guessing the grep needs updating, yeah | 21:39 |
| vkoskiv | sec | 21:39 |
| vkoskiv | josch: Fixed it, this works for me now: https://paste.debian.net/1274310/ | 21:42 |
| vkoskiv | Looks like this script is for waybar too, that's nice | 21:43 |
| vkoskiv | I haven't figured out how to tweak the padding so I can't put too many things up there yet | 21:43 |
| violet | minute: i think the only thing id find annoying about not having a coin cell for the clock is that you'll lose clock when replacing the main battery cells. kinda minor though | 21:45 |
| violet | thought it might also mean you lose clock if you full-drain the batteries which is something i ran into constantly with an old chromebook i had because im bad at not doing this. | 21:46 |
| violet | and then i couldnt connect to wifi when i booted back up to do my NTP sync because my clock was too far wrong | 21:46 |
| vkoskiv | I like that I haven't had to think about the clock at all on my reform. I guess it's one of those things that you just take for granted :D | 21:46 |
| violet | so i had to write a script that would set the clock to close enough to reality for a wifi connect so ntp could take it all the way | 21:46 |
| rah | minute: not sure why you're mentioning the imx8mplus | 21:47 |
| minute | rah: ah, i thought you were asking about the pocket reform. | 21:47 |
| minute | (a bunch of people came here now and asked questions about it because it just launched) | 21:47 |
| rah | no, I'm asking about the reform 2 | 21:47 |
| minute | rah: alright! then that thread applies. | 21:48 |
| minute | violet: good points | 21:48 |
| minute | clock battery stays | 21:48 |
| rah | minute: are the suspend problems SSD-dependent? | 21:49 |
| rah | or is it a general problem with all or most nvme drives? | 21:49 |
| minute | rah: i'm not sure. it could be a combination of a kernel regression ~and~ ssd model. | 21:49 |
| minute | for me it works, for example | 21:49 |
| rah | I see | 21:49 |
| minute | with a 256GB mt220 | 21:49 |
| josch | rah: for me, the ssd is dead after resume but others didn't experience that | 21:49 |
| josch | rah: i tried three different models from three different manufacturers with the same problem after resume (see that threat) | 21:50 |
| minute | this is an open research question, so to speak | 21:50 |
| josch | *thread | 21:50 |
| josch | it could be something is borked in my SoM | 21:50 |
| vkoskiv | rah: suspend worked (kinda) with my intel 600p, and doesn't work at all with this WD blue I have now | 21:51 |
| vkoskiv | This one doesn't come back up after resume, and linux doesn't like that :D | 21:51 |
| josch | i tried the same ssd that works for minute and am still having a different experience from them :D | 21:52 |
| vkoskiv | I guess the magic smoke is distributed differently in the chip. Has to be that. | 21:53 |
| vkoskiv | I think one of my battery cells has taken a hit at some point. It goes down in voltage significantly faster than the other cells, and my reform turns off prematurely. | 21:57 |
| vkoskiv | I need to shop for some new, hopefully higher capacity cells and also get the protected boards + the camera | 21:58 |
| vkoskiv | All in due time, though. Inflation sucks :( | 21:58 |
| vkoskiv | minute: I want to write a patch for the kbd fw such that anything drawn from linux with hidraw commands goes into a separate framebuffer that is only displayed when no lpc/keyboard menus are shown. | 22:06 |
| vkoskiv | This would work better with potential host OS status widgets, they wouldn't override the more important system menu displays. | 22:07 |
| minute | yeah | 22:07 |
| vkoskiv | Sound good? I wanted to do this a few months ago but I get distracted easily. | 22:07 |
| minute | you already had an MR for that | 22:07 |
| minute | and i commented on it, IIRC | 22:07 |
| vkoskiv | Huh, lemme check | 22:07 |
| vkoskiv | I also forget things :D | 22:08 |
| vkoskiv | Oh, yeah. The issue I discovered with that approach is that, say we have a widget utility that updates every minute. | 22:08 |
| vkoskiv | With that MR !31, the display could be blank for up to a minute when closing the keyboard menus | 22:09 |
| vkoskiv | So I'd like to redo that MR such that there is an actual separate little buffer on the keyboard side that gets shown right away when closing out of menus. | 22:09 |
| vkoskiv | Then all that remains is the issue of user programs not clearing the framebuffer on exit, which could leave some outdated info in there. | 22:12 |
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