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| josch | 80% | 01:56 |
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| amospalla | Hi guys, just for curiosity, is there any idea of what SOCs could be available as upgrade in the future for the Pocket? | 10:47 |
| amospalla | I would love to get one, but the A53 is probably not enough powerful for my usage, I'm sad. | 10:48 |
| josch | amospalla: what is your usage? my reform is my only machine and even though it only has 4 GB of ram i've rarely missed anything | 10:50 |
| amospalla | Maybe I'm wrong, but is an A53 somewhat equivalent to a rasppi 3? | 10:51 |
| amospalla | I used for a year a GPD pocket 2, with a much powerful cpu compared to a rasppi3, and it was on the edge. | 10:51 |
| amospalla | It has an intel core m3-8100Y | 10:53 |
| josch | i think the next modules to come out are the LS1028A and the rpi cm4 adapter board | 10:55 |
| josch | more options are apparently also currently being evaluated: https://mastodon.social/@mntmn/109998601787923875 | 10:55 |
| amospalla | I'll mostly use web, terminal (ssh'ing), and pycharm, the most demanding is probably pycharm, which was on the edge on the intel. | 10:59 |
| amospalla | Thank you for your feedback, I'll think a bit about it :) | 10:59 |
| josch | personally for me, i mostly felt limitations for very javascript-heavy websites | 11:04 |
| josch | but then again i already hated javascript for wasting computational resources for no good reason long before i switched to the reform :D | 11:05 |
| amospalla | Yes, that is what happened with the gpd too, but it is the price to pay. | 11:11 |
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| amospalla | As of some online benchmark sites, an RK3588 is similar or a bit better (depending on the site) than that intel core. That would be an amazing option. I hope someday I can buy one pocket reform with such a powerful soc. | 11:14 |
| - mjw (QUIT: Ping timeout: 246 seconds) (~wielaard@gnu.wildebeest.org) | 11:21 | |
| minute | amospalla: the imx8mplus a53 is quite fast, runs at 1.8ghz and can be overclocked, also 14nm process helps | 11:33 |
| minute | amospalla: rk3588 upgrade is planned, but open drivers (esp graphics) for that chip are still in heavy development | 11:34 |
| amospalla | Thank you minute ! | 11:47 |
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| josch | minute: remember how my old trackball broke because some misterious white liquid was covering the sensor? (no idea what it was -- i blame the baby) | 12:00 |
| josch | minute: turns out, today, a few weeks later, after having attempted to clean it with circuit board cleaner it now works again | 12:01 |
| josch | okay, it's something with the sensor itself | 12:07 |
| josch | if i attach the sensor from my old module (which is working now) to the new trackball module (the rpi version) it works fine again | 12:07 |
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| josch | minute: so i have a working trackball setup again. The sensor that came with the new (rpi) trackball module doesn't work with either of my two modules so i guess something is wrong with the sensor? I'll attempt cleaning it again. Any product you recommend for doing that? | 12:37 |
| pandora[m] | I would love to get the rk3588 for the pocket. I saw a few videos and benchmarks and it looks really promising . It also has options for up to 32 hbu of ram and 128 gb emmc . That would make it a quite future proofed and long lasting option. Development time would be well spendend there | 12:40 |
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| amospalla | Once new soc modules are ready, will it be posible to buy a pocket reform with the new module, or I'll need to buy it with the original with the imx8mplus and buy the upgrade by my side? | 12:49 |
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| minute | josch: hmm, a bit of IPA? but normally nothing heavy should be required. or maybe those wet wipes for glasses | 18:08 |
| josch | minute: thanks! i'll try cleaning more thoroughly tomorrow. If that doesn't work, is there anything else i can check? Since the old sensor is working fine with both boards (ver 1.0 and ver 2.0) I guess the culprit has to be the sensor. | 18:17 |
| josch | I also tried switching the cables but both cables work fine. | 18:17 |
| minute | maybe a manufacturing issue with the sensor pcb, in that case--my apologies | 18:19 |
| minute | (we can replace it) | 18:19 |
| josch | Thanks but since it was working fine at first it must've been me who managed to break it somehow. And since the old module is working fine (again) there is no urgent need for a new sensor here either. :) | 18:22 |
| minute | cool! | 18:24 |
| minute | happy to hear that modularity actually helps :) | 18:24 |
| minute | pocket campaign is at 97% | 18:24 |
| josch | Yes, having the old module to switch parts around was really helpful to figure out what's broken. I used to have several parts twice or thrice for my old thinkpad so that i can swap them out once they break. I'm now starting that collection for the reform. ;) | 18:32 |
| josch | Unfortunately I wasn't able to convince my partner to get a Reform as well (so another thinkpad it is) or otherwise I'd have the luxery of even more spare parts at home. :D | 18:39 |
| sknebel | family packs when? | 18:40 |
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| josch | (reason against the Reform for my partner was, that they use the laptop 99% for web-stuff and there we are back at the javascript slowness problem) | 18:40 |
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| minute | josch: yeah, lets see if rk3588 will fix that | 18:43 |
| josch | The rk3588 sounds nice but as far as i understand there are still a lot of rough edges on the kernel side and experience shows that smoothing them out can take a looooong time. :D | 18:46 |
| minute | yep | 18:47 |
| josch | So I rather have a 100% stable (except for suspend) imx8mq rather than a rk3588 where 100 small things do not work sometimes. :D | 18:47 |
| minute | yeah, i will probably have two machines, one stable and one unstable... and at least one pocket | 18:48 |
| minute | lots of laptops to haul around lol | 18:48 |
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| jfred | One of the reasons I'm most excited about the Pocket Reform is on days when I'm visiting the local hackerspace it's less laptop to haul around. I have to have my work laptop with me and really don't like carrying two full size laptops | 19:00 |
| minute | jfred: makes sense! | 19:00 |
| jfred | ...in part because I have a bad back, haha | 19:00 |
| minute | oh :( | 19:02 |
| josch | but there is also the "thin" reform on the todo list, no? :) | 19:05 |
| minute | yep. | 19:05 |
| minute | today we got an email from nlnet about that (and another) project, stating that they are swamped with applications, so processing is delayed | 19:05 |
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| jfred | Oh I remember the pictures you posted of that one. Is it meant to have a similar screen size to the Reform 2? Same form factor only thinner would be great | 19:08 |
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| jfred | But yeah, bad back is a pain... I use a split backpack that kinda looks like saddle bags to avoid puttting loads in the wrong places. But still the less weight the better | 19:15 |
| minute | jfred: yes, the goal is to reuse the display and the keyboard | 19:16 |
| jfred | Makes sense, that's perfect | 19:17 |
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| mtm | minute: congrats to you and the whole team! | 19:32 |
| minute | thank you!!!! looks like we made it | 19:33 |
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| jfred | Wooooo! :D | 19:37 |
| sknebel | congrats! | 19:38 |
| mtm | btw, what is the equivalent of the Circle key on the Pocket? | 19:38 |
| minute | thanks! | 19:41 |
| mjw | wow, congrats! Was that under 24 hours? | 19:41 |
| minute | no, but under 25 hours :D | 19:42 |
| sigrid | nice! | 19:43 |
| grimmware | holy shit nice one team :D | 20:05 |
| minute | thanks!! | 20:06 |
| minute | think i'm gonna go home, rest a bit :D | 20:06 |
| + ReformAllTheWay (~ReformAll@109-178-218-220.pat.ren.cosmote.net) | 20:23 | |
| ReformAllTheWay | congrats minute | 20:24 |
| vkoskiv | Yep, congrats! Happy to see it reach the minimum goal so quick. | 20:24 |
| ReformAllTheWay | and the whole team | 20:24 |
| vkoskiv | Wonder how long 100% took with Reform in 2020? | 20:24 |
| ReformAllTheWay | was wondering what kind of speed should we expect for the m2 wwan slot and the nvme ssd ? | 20:25 |
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| brennen | 'grats y'all. | 20:40 |
| + XYZ89 (~XYZ@37-48-16-26.nat.epc.tmcz.cz) | 20:42 | |
| josch | ReformAllTheWay: on my reform i get 300 MB/s read and 400 MB/s write rate: https://community.mnt.re/t/does-drive-encryption-cause-the-reform-to-slowdown/871/2 | 20:45 |
| - XYZ89 (QUIT: Ping timeout: 246 seconds) (~XYZ@37-48-16-26.nat.epc.tmcz.cz) | 20:46 | |
| kuno | minute: congrats on the 101%! | 20:50 |
| minute | thanksss | 21:04 |
| Boostisbetter | minute, congrats on the successful Pocket campaign! I hope the success continues!! All the best to you and the team. | 21:11 |
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| minute | Boostisbetter: thanks for your support! | 21:17 |
| ReformAllTheWay | josch i know mine behaves almost the same. I was wondering if it is different with the pocket | 21:21 |
| + XYZ89 (~XYZ@37-48-16-26.nat.epc.tmcz.cz) | 21:21 | |
| ReformAllTheWay | if you reply I will see it on the logs. Good night. | 21:22 |
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| josch | the benchmark numbers will likely be slightly different for the pocket because imxmq != imxmp -- but it should be in a similar ballpark. minute is probably the only person here who can provide hard numbers :) | 21:23 |
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| jfred | By any chance are there boardview files available for the Reform | 23:11 |
| jfred | Oh, I suppose even if not someone wrote an exporter for KiCAD files that'll generate them | 23:14 |
| minute | that would be nice yes | 23:31 |
| minute | hey i just discovered that the brightness of the OLED can be set much lower by using the PreCharge command | 23:31 |
| minute | i.e. it can be dimmed much more than i thought | 23:31 |
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