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| chartreuse | I guess for processor modules I'm not super interested in most at the moment, though that's more due to current budget reasons. I guess the CM4 would probably be the most powerful option currently and possibly future upgradable, though the RPi foundation hasn't been the best lately | 00:14 |
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| chartreuse | I guess related to all of them the limit of only 1 PCIe lane and no PCIe switch is a bit disappointing to lose the funcitonality of the minipci wifi/etc slot, even if the module has built in wifi. | 00:16 |
| chartreuse | Since they're both only single lanes still, I guess an ideal upgrade board for me would have both still but upgraded lanes to Gen 3 at least. More lanes would be nice, but the motherboard was already designed with the limitations of the original CPU module's edge connector pinout | 00:22 |
| chartreuse | Though I guess the other thing there is that everyone has different goals and desires as to an "ideal" laptop to them so there's really no way to please everyone with a single design. Especially with fitting into the existing constraints of the space available for the module, the already fixed "in stone" motherboard, limited heatsink space and such | 00:27 |
| chartreuse | And of course the whole issue of open hardware solutions being quite limited, especially when wanting all or as much as possible firmware being open too. | 00:28 |
| chartreuse | Like I'm quite happy with my current setup of being able to use the blob free ath9k wifi module here, especially since I fitted a 3x3 module and fitted a third antenna for 450Mb/s bandwidth on 802.11n | 00:29 |
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| minute | chartreuse: good points, thanks | 00:37 |
| minute | in other news, this is becoming relevant https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/merge_requests/20887 | 00:37 |
| chartreuse | Rockchip does seem to have some potentially open source options, the RK3568 seems interesting. Though it's still only a quad core A55 (still in-order but super scalar like the A53) but does have a PCIe3 1x2/2x1 lane(s) and a pcie2.1 x1 lane (in multiphy) and supports 8GB of external ram | 00:39 |
| chartreuse | Anything improving egl performance will be great | 00:42 |
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| minute | chartreuse: what's wrong with rk3588 from your pov? | 00:46 |
| chartreuse | Nothing, just saw the rk3568 on their open source page, but didn't see the 88 there yet https://opensource.rock-chips.com/wiki_Main_Page | 00:56 |
| chartreuse | Was actually just watching a video on a rk3588 sbc and figured I'd look to see if it was open and came across that page that didn't list it but listed the 68 | 00:57 |
| chartreuse | Though I guess if you're going for a CM footprint one to put on the CM4 adapter board, then the CM4 pinout IIRC only has a single PCIe lane specced out | 00:59 |
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| minute | chartreuse: nope. i want to go with icore 3588 from t-firefly | 01:00 |
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| chartreuse | Guessing that it makes more sense (due to simpler cost and not worrying about the difficulties of the differential impedence matched ram traces) of using pre-fabbed modules rather than starting from a bare chip | 05:50 |
| chartreuse | Though $250 for the base board does feel like it could end up being steep to fit with the existing 399 module prices | 05:51 |
| chartreuse | Considering it has 4 lanes of PCIe, would be cool if they could somehow go to the NVME slot, or a second fast nVME slot fitted on the cpu adapter board to take advantage of that, while leaving the extra 2.1 lane going to the wlan slot | 05:52 |
| chartreuse | (And while I'm lusting over the specs, maybe break out the sata ports to some kind of micro internal connector if someone wants to try jamming a sata ssd in somewhere | 05:53 |
| chartreuse | Though looking at firefly.store it seems that's only the 4GB module, the 8GB goes up to $309, and no mention of a 16G and 32G for sale even though they say it's an option | 05:55 |
| pandora[m] | the rk3588 looks really interesting ... just watched a vid about it | 05:56 |
| chartreuse | Something I'd also suggest if there's PCIe lanes spare but not actually routed, like the extra PCI3 ones, is to put them to at least solderable test points on the board so that someone with desire could try and hard wire them down to the mainboard nVME slot without as much pain | 05:57 |
| josch | p | 07:45 |
| josch | whoops, sorry :) | 07:45 |
| violet | chartreuse: ive been using my quartz64 (rk3566, same as 3568 but i think weaker PCIe) recently as a hobby computer to do lots of various projects on. runs very well! | 07:48 |
| violet | i am actually wondering if the quartz64 compute module (which is supposed to be rpi compute module compatible) actually put the HDMI on the same place cause it'd be neat to use in a reform once that adapter is out. though i guess you wouldnt have hdmi out on the external port which is kinda meh unless there's a second hdmi. i should go read the pinout | 07:49 |
| violet | A55 is a nice bump from the A53 and it also runs like, cooler than my reaker rock64, on account of being on a smaller node | 07:50 |
| violet | weaker* | 07:50 |
| violet | the main annoying things is that right now it cant do eDP on mainline kernel, nor can it use the rkvdec hardware. so you're stuck on old hantro IP which doesnt have HEVC and doesnt do h264 above 1080p | 07:51 |
| violet | that thing about eDP was not related to the other stuff its just things the mainline kernel cant do rn | 07:52 |
| violet | also i think you still need to use blobs for the arm trusted firmware | 07:52 |
| violet | pine folks have been back and forth with rockchip trying to get the source for that | 07:52 |
| violet | as for the 3588, i am curious whether telling the linux scheduler not to use the performance cores results in any measurable power savings | 07:54 |
| violet | if so it'd be neat to be able to automate that based on whether im on battery / wall power. | 07:55 |
| violet | https://wiki.pine64.org/wiki/SOQuartz#Displays_/_Cameras oh cursed | 08:02 |
| violet | it puts an eDP signal on a line that the CM4 has an HDMI signal on | 08:02 |
| violet | so presumably you'd need the adapter to be able to like optionally passthru the signal instead of adapting it. if that's even possible. not super relevant until the kernel actually supports it though i guess | 08:04 |
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| minute | chartreuse: yeah, one could probably fit an extra m.2 on the adapter | 11:07 |
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| sevan | fooling around: since scummvm ships with the base OS image, do we get support for games running on it as part of the reform warranty? I'm thinking something akin to the Nintendo hotline that ran in the 1990s. Replaying Monkey Island 2 atm and got stuck, needed help. :) | 14:10 |
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| minute | sevan: where are you stuck | 15:44 |
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| sevan | forgot about the bucket with mud to get Largo's laundry and then after, you can pick up the rat once you've trapped it. I have chartered Captain Dredd's ship and left Scab Island. So all is well once again. :) | 15:57 |
| minute | ha! | 15:58 |
| sevan | :D | 16:00 |
| minute | somehow i find this first part of MI2 the most pleasant | 16:04 |
| minute | in my recent replays i always didn't make it much further | 16:04 |
| sevan | I think I played #2 first and have fond memories of playing it together with a school friend one summer. | 16:09 |
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| minute | ohhh i just realized one can install gimp 2.99 series using `apt install -t experimental gimp` :0 | 17:02 |
| minute | this is much better suited for reform/wayland because gtk3 | 17:04 |
| pandora[m] | #2 has the most memorisable and best intro music … I should replay that game again | 17:17 |
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| josch | hm... i'm having some trouble with my trackball again and am looking for ways to debug this | 19:59 |
| josch | the mouse buttons work but moving the ball does not move the pointer at all | 19:59 |
| josch | i already tried cleaning it by blowing on it and i cannot spot any smugde or dirt on the sensor | 19:59 |
| josch | i wonder what i could try next? | 19:59 |
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| sevan | josch: clear the cables from the battery away from the trackball. I think they cause interference (theory, I don't have concrete evidence but I've run into issue twice with my trackball & separating the cables out has solved the issue (power and data cables were overlapping)) | 21:26 |
| sevan | pandora[m]: yeah, my copy of MI1 was from the CD version so it's musicless (the soundtrack was stored as audio tracks on CD) | 21:28 |
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| josch | sevan: good idea but that wasn't it :( | 21:47 |
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| sevan | josch: :( | 21:53 |
| sevan | josch: keyboard & pointing device use the same type of cable to connect to the motherboard, if you swap the cables around, does you trackball start working and keyboard developrs issues? | 21:55 |
| sevan | (is it a faulty cable) | 21:55 |
| josch | i don't think it can be a faulty cable because the trackball buttons work | 21:56 |
| josch | at least not a faulty usb cable | 21:57 |
| josch | if the usb cable were the problem, the buttons wouldn't work either and/or it wouldn't show up in dmesg or lsusb | 21:57 |
| sevan | ACTION counts pins | 21:58 |
| sevan | it's a 4 pin cable | 21:58 |
| josch | yes. it's a usb cable | 21:58 |
| sevan | theory: some are working, some aren't | 21:59 |
| josch | some what? | 21:59 |
| sevan | there's 4 separate strands of cable | 21:59 |
| josch | yes, 2 for power, 2 for data | 21:59 |
| sevan | ahh | 21:59 |
| josch | cut either and the whole device stops working | 22:00 |
| sevan | understood | 22:00 |
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| pandora[m] | So I understand i.MX8M Plus will be in the pocket. Is there a good dev board so I can play around with something similar before the release? | 23:05 |
| minute | pandora[m]: many. the closest one is the official one from boundary devices | 23:17 |
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