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| minute | josch: it's running! https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-debian-packages/-/jobs/1149 | 00:33 |
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| * nsc -> Guest8794 | 03:52 | |
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| ex-parrot | Aw my zip finally broke | 04:22 |
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| ex-parrot | Ahh and I dropped the machine and broke the bottom panel. Excellent | 07:06 |
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| minute | ex-parrot: oh no! but first drop test! what was the fall height? and how is the rest of the machine? | 10:43 |
| josch | *first* drop test? :D | 10:44 |
| josch | minute: interested how often my baby managed to throw down my reform onto our wooden floor from the couch or the table? ;) | 10:44 |
| minute | josch: very interested! | 10:44 |
| josch | let me measure the heights... | 10:45 |
| josch | twice 42 cm (couch) and once 56 cm (table) | 10:46 |
| josch | i do not know how it landed when it fell from the couch twice but when it fell from the table at landed corner first and i now have a dent in my floor | 10:46 |
| josch | (hartholz parkett) | 10:47 |
| c-keen[m] | ouch | 10:50 |
| josch | you see i have very practical reasons to want a laptop made from milled aluminium instead of the usual cheap china plastic cases :D | 10:52 |
| c-keen[m] | I hope the pcb inside didn't take too much of that energy | 10:53 |
| josch | the only thing my baby managed to break on my reform so far was the trackball buttons | 10:54 |
| josch | turns out that baby fingers are tiny enough to get below them and that the stems are weaker than the force a baby can pull with :) | 10:54 |
| vkoskiv_ | baby hand grip is no joke, I hear | 10:54 |
| josch | so minute got some extra bucks for replacement keys from me a few weeks ago :) | 10:54 |
| josch | there is the misterious white liquid that killed my trackball... no idea where that came from... could've been baby but no clue... | 10:55 |
| minute | wow | 11:01 |
| minute | josch: btw did you get the new trackball? | 11:02 |
| josch | yes! there were some problems with ups so i got it a day later after two trips to their warehouse but it's installed and working without issues, thank you! | 11:10 |
| josch | i've never used the white switches -- it's an interesting tactile feedback | 11:11 |
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| andreas-e | A trivial question: After starting sway manually after logging in, how do I stop it gracefully? | 11:22 |
| josch | swaymsg exit | 11:23 |
| andreas-e | Great, thanks! I should read the doc at some point in time... | 11:27 |
| josch | it's "man 5 sway" if you want a list of all the commands you can send with swaymsg | 11:27 |
| andreas-e | Tricky! I tried "man sway" without the 5 just before. | 11:29 |
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| minute | not quite sure where i can see this being tracked by debian https://www.phoronix.com/news/GNOME-Triple-Buffering-23.04 | 13:02 |
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| * wielaard -> mjw | 13:21 | |
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| sevan | the way UPS plays with people, get a super quick ETA on creation, then the inevitable "Your parcel was cleared after the scheduled transport departure. We will reschedule for the next available departure." drops and things roll over to the following we. curses! :) | 14:13 |
| sevan | s/we./week. | 14:13 |
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| + mtm (~mtm@71.228.84.213) | 15:09 | |
| josch | minute: i think this is where it's tracked: https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/mutter/-/merge_requests/88 | 15:23 |
| minute | josch: ohh > Applied in 43.3-1, which I uploaded to experimental yesterday. I'll re-upload to unstable now. | 15:29 |
| flowy | i've had the standalone kbd w/ white switches swapped into my reform for roughly half a year now. my general opinion is that kailh white switches require a bit too much actuation force. they actually make my fingers a bit sore, especially the tips, if i'm typing a lot. the springs require a fair bit of muscle, similar to old IBM keyboards. | 15:37 |
| flowy | so yeah, i'm curious about the red pros, which are supposedly quite light. | 15:39 |
| flowy | but @minute if you find an opportunity to source lighter actuation clicky switches, might be fun | 15:40 |
| flowy | the choc v2 have some interesting options but i see that they are probably not mechanically compatible with the reform's design | 15:40 |
| flowy | this is nothing other than personal anecdata :) | 15:41 |
| flowy | i enjoyed the experience of swapping the keyboard pcbs and learned about desoldering things in the process | 15:41 |
| flowy | but yeah you can actually confirm through the specs that the choc whites have unusually heavy actuation force compared to most clicky switches | 15:43 |
| flowy | my dream keyboard adjustments to what i have would be: 25-40% less actuation force, traditional stagger, and firmly braced to reduce flex | 15:44 |
| flowy | end of rant | 15:45 |
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| josch | yesterday i tried falling asleep while listening to something on my reform. So the room was perfectly quiet and since i wanted to sleep i lowered the volume to a minimum. I noticed that as soon as I started playing something, a very quiet (but audible if the room is silent and you want to sleep) brrrrrrrrrrrrrr sound was constantly rattling in the background. The noise is not produced when nothing is | 16:48 |
| josch | playing but it is produced after pausing the playback. It vanishes after unplugging and replugging the headphones. It resumes after pressing the play button again. Anybody else noticed this? | 16:48 |
| sigrid | maybe it's because wm8960's speakers output is never closed off | 16:50 |
| sigrid | just guessing. afair on Linux reform's jack sensing isn't implemented | 16:52 |
| sigrid | which reminds me, maybe someone feels like they have absolutely nothing else to do and they want to test this dts patch: http://okturing.com/src/15060/body | 16:54 |
| sigrid | oh wait nvm, that one is wrong | 16:56 |
| sigrid | this one: http://okturing.com/src/15062/body | 16:59 |
| josch | i have stuff to do but my plan was to test another dts patch so i can throw that right in as well :D | 17:01 |
| josch | sigrid: what difference am i supposed to see with that patch? | 17:01 |
| sigrid | sound playing out of headphones or speaker automatically | 17:02 |
| josch | cool! i'll try it out :) | 17:03 |
| sigrid | but then again idk whether alsa/pipewire gets in the way or not, I can't test this patch :/ | 17:03 |
| sigrid | but this should configure wm8960 same way I did in 9front | 17:04 |
| josch | sigrid: https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-debian-packages/-/merge_requests/6/diffs | 17:10 |
| josch | i'll install the kernel built by the CI pipeline tonight | 17:10 |
| minute | exciting! | 17:18 |
| minute | josch: the brrr could be interference from the charger, if you have power supply connected | 17:18 |
| josch | oh lets check! | 17:20 |
| josch | and i cannot reproduce it anymore... :/ | 17:25 |
| josch | but i'll that theory next time i hear it | 17:26 |
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| josch | minute: the reform homing keycaps with NEO2 engraving arrived today as well -- they are perfect, thank you!! :D | 18:29 |
| josch | it's really funny to compare the new keycaps with the old ones because my old ones are shiny and polished from too much use while the new ones are still a bit matt and not nearly as shiny and reflective XD | 18:30 |
| josch | but that should correct itself soon :) | 18:30 |
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| ex-parrot | minute: the machine fell from about chest height on to a wooden floor in the bag | 19:44 |
| ex-parrot | completely fine except for a tiny tiny ding on one corner of the chassis and some cracking in the plastic | 19:44 |
| ex-parrot | I'll take some photos | 19:44 |
| ex-parrot | it tumbled and hit on a bottom corner I think | 19:45 |
| ex-parrot | if you can't sell me a replacement bottom panel I'll make one :) | 19:45 |
| ex-parrot | oh and the keyboard slid and the esc / mnt keys were fouling on the screen hinges, but that was easily fixed | 19:45 |
| ex-parrot | the case helped a lot I think, has a couple of little holes now but it held up fine | 19:47 |
| ex-parrot | gonna try inject some resin in to the cracks until I figure out what to do about it longer term | 19:48 |
| josch | just fill the whole interior of the reform with epoxy and have it be safe from falling down anywhere :D | 19:58 |
| + vagrantc (~vagrant@2600:3c01:e000:21:7:77:0:20) | 19:59 | |
| ex-parrot | :D | 20:01 |
| ex-parrot | minute: this is the corner that took the main impact I think https://img.hotplate.co.nz/93QfuJozVg | 20:09 |
| ex-parrot | extent of the damage follows: | 20:09 |
| ex-parrot | https://img.hotplate.co.nz/nY2DT8jQWv | 20:09 |
| ex-parrot | https://img.hotplate.co.nz/gQZVBdi2kX | 20:09 |
| ex-parrot | https://img.hotplate.co.nz/B5QGEaPohR | 20:09 |
| ex-parrot | https://img.hotplate.co.nz/JdCsfGrxfA | 20:09 |
| ex-parrot | 🫡 | 20:09 |
| ex-parrot | batteries stayed put although my batteries are slightly longer than the stock ones | 20:14 |
| + jjbliss (~jjbliss@1464766-static.elnsmiaa.metronetinc.net) | 20:15 | |
| josch | maybe that helped because it means your batteries are held more tightly | 20:20 |
| ex-parrot | that's what I'm wondering | 20:21 |
| ex-parrot | also why I have some extra polyimide on the holders | 20:21 |
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| + murdock (~murdock@dhcp-68-142-57-54.greenmountainaccess.net) | 21:09 | |
| jfred | You know, even though the Pocket Reform isn't a tablet, I bet this tiling mode for GNOME would be pretty nice on it: https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2020/04/gnome-mobile-convergence-concept | 21:15 |
| Boostisbetter | it would be awesome it the pocket screen was a touchscreen. | 21:27 |
| sigrid | i'd rather it to have a pen :P | 21:28 |
| vkoskiv_ | ex-parrot: Mine has a mark similar to that in one corner in the aluminium. I don't recall dropping mine though :D | 21:38 |
| ex-parrot | :D | 21:39 |
| vkoskiv_ | I am worried about the longevity of the acrylic back plate. Mine hasn't cracked yet, though. | 21:40 |
| vkoskiv_ | But I'd imagine it's a fairly easy part to replace down the line if need be. Milled acrylic sheet. | 21:41 |
| ex-parrot | yeah | 21:41 |
| ex-parrot | my friend can mill me one if needed | 21:41 |
| vkoskiv_ | PSA: Don't clean acrylic with IPA. I did that to my anytone radio and it just spontaneously cracks acrylic. | 21:41 |
| vkoskiv_ | I still haven't adhered my serial # sticker, I'm worried I'll place it crooked and I'll never un-see it :D | 21:42 |
| vkoskiv_ | I want to place it before I fly with the thing, that way it has the CE mark and all that | 21:42 |
| ex-parrot | my friend is keen to remake the base plate out of aluminium which would be cool but I'd have to relocate the wiif | 21:44 |
| ex-parrot | wifi | 21:44 |
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