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| minute | i can make all the magic later | 00:08 |
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| bkeys | Just accidentally ran my batteries all the way down; thank goodness for protected battery boards | 03:12 |
| bkeys | Battery boards saved them! \o/ | 03:58 |
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| ec0 | oh cool I was curious about the kailh red pros as a quieter option, I’m sure I’ll do the swap one day | 07:58 |
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| minute | bkeys: great to hear this!! | 10:26 |
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| flowy | minute: beautiful shot of neuromancer next to prototype pocket! the panel- is that size/ratio locked in? | 13:02 |
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| vkoskiv | Will there be an apt upgrade soon that adds the new u-boot changes or does that require extra steps to install? | 14:21 |
| vkoskiv | If I remember correctly it was some package with a hook that then regenerates the u-boot stuff | 14:21 |
| josch | vkoskiv: no, no package is doing anything with u-boot itself | 14:31 |
| josch | vkoskiv: we only have flash-kernel which writes out a boot.scr | 14:33 |
| josch | vkoskiv: this is actually a big problem -- we currently have no way to automatically ship u-boot updates to reform users | 14:33 |
| josch | it's more like lpc and keyboard firmware: u-boot has to be upgraded by the user without the use of the package manager | 14:34 |
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| minute | flowy: yes it's locked in, there isn't a viable alternative. the panels availability is also pretty good | 15:41 |
| minute | josch: couldn't we package the fw and a script in reform-tools? | 15:42 |
| minute | josch: and we can also package keyboard firmware. lpc not yet as we don't have a self upgrade mechanism in the fw (i believe it is possible though) | 15:43 |
| minute | flowy: 8 inch displays are exotic afaik | 15:44 |
| minute | flowy: what are your thoughts about the ratio btw? | 15:53 |
| minute | resolution is 1920x1200 | 15:53 |
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| flowy | minute: i'm not personally so picky about ratios! i guess i prefer vertical. however for a portable device i think less bezel is the larger concern, but i guess for this size anything wider just isn't available? | 16:00 |
| Boostisbetter | I think that should an option become available in the future, it could be a upgrade or a v2 addition that all could upgrade to. | 16:01 |
| Boostisbetter | Really not worried. | 16:01 |
| Boostisbetter | And I love that it has more vertical than standard 1080p | 16:01 |
| flowy | would be fun to have a pocket dock, sort of like the nintendo switch, for 'desktop mode'. for me, if i didn't already have a reform, this would make the pocket a more viable option if i had to pick between them | 16:08 |
| flowy | i mean obv you can just plug shit in, but i like the idea of a proper dock would be cute | 16:08 |
| flowy | hold it vertical | 16:09 |
| flowy | i have been travelling again w my reform for the last month and a half. so happy with it | 16:12 |
| flowy | i don't personally have a need for the pocket just excited to see it developed | 16:13 |
| flowy | would 100% get the som to upgrade the reform though, if there aren't any caveats | 16:15 |
| Boostisbetter | Yeah i can't wait to get the Pocket. I totally have a need for it, and am really excited to be able to get one. | 16:16 |
| flowy | i did do some little remote networking jobs where i had a bunch of tools with me and needed a basic terminal. for that i would definitely have preferred the pocket to the chonkier reform, but don't have that much expendable $ | 16:18 |
| minute | ah yeah, interesting | 16:29 |
| minute | btw we are about to launch an 8mplus upgrade kit | 16:29 |
| flowy | !! awesome | 16:38 |
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| Boostisbetter | Drooling for the pocket Reform over here. I am using a Penkesu to do basically all that I would do with the Pocket but the Pocket will have just a lot more capabilities and have a real robust enclosure. It is perfect for me, and I can't wait. | 16:58 |
| minute | Boostisbetter: out of interest, can you tell us some of your main use cases for penkesu/pocket? | 17:01 |
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| minute | Now available for preorder: MNT Reform i.MX8MPlus Upgrade (4x 1.8GHz, 8GB RAM, 128GB eMMC) https://shop.mntre.com/products/mnt-reform-i-mx8mplus-upgrade?taxon_id=13 | 17:53 |
| qbit | woo | 18:03 |
| Boostisbetter | minute: I have been interested in ultra portable computing for quite some time. I had a OQO 01, and 02. Several Fujitsu Lifebooks, etc. The idea of being able to compute on the go has always appealed to me. After I started working as a software engineer my needs only increased, and instead of just interest and curiosity I needed to be able to do specific things. | 18:10 |
| Boostisbetter | minute: Currently I commute to work via a Velomobile, and size matters. But also because there are vibrations from the road, etc. I need something is a bit more robust. The Penkesu was the result of my previous UMPC 1 Netbook Onemix 3pt just dying one day. I was tired of these kinds of devices just being dead when they had any problems. So the Penkesu, although, really under powered, just provide | 18:12 |
| Boostisbetter | d a way for me to get work done, and not worry about it breaking. The Pocket Reform is basically a Penkesu to me, that is WAY more robust and more powerful. | 18:12 |
| Boostisbetter | I use it for software development, remote system administration, documentation, chat, email, and internet usage. | 18:12 |
| bkeys | minute: That is great news | 18:15 |
| minute | Boostisbetter: i see, thanks for the insights | 18:20 |
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| bkeys | I know you have been busy with the imx8mplus stuff but is there any updates on the cm4 stuff? | 18:21 |
| Boostisbetter | minute: the Pocket will really be about being to work on my side software projects during a lunch break or other breaks. Much nicer than trying to do all of that through a phone and vnc session. | 18:21 |
| minute | Boostisbetter: ahh, i see | 18:22 |
| minute | bkeys: not sure if i wrote about it here... i found some big flaws in my design and have to respin the stdp2600. another new thing is that i ordered the banana pi cm4 module... which might have better mipi dsi capabilities not requiring an adapter | 18:23 |
| minute | haven't given up on cm4, it's just a bit lower priority | 18:23 |
| bkeys | ACTION nods | 18:23 |
| bkeys | Thanks for the update | 18:23 |
| minute | to prio at the moment is getting pocket to launch | 18:23 |
| minute | top prio | 18:23 |
| bkeys | Makes sense | 18:23 |
| minute | the chip on the banana pi cm4 also has more punch than the rpi4 | 18:24 |
| minute | it's amlogic a311d | 18:24 |
| minute | the name is a bit unfortunate. maybe we could convince them to sell us some unbranded ones ;) | 18:25 |
| bkeys | What kind of GPU support is it gonna get? | 18:27 |
| bkeys | Cause the biggest draw for the cm4 other than Fedora is higher opengl/vulkan versions | 18:27 |
| minute | that is true, the vulkan driver for videocore is interesting | 18:35 |
| minute | a311d should be at least OpenGL ES 3.1 via panfrost | 18:35 |
| minute | > the wider Mesa community especially focused on Mali-G52 GPU, found for instance in Amlogic A311D and Rockchip RK3566 | 18:36 |
| minute | > The Panfrost driver on Mali-G52 is conformant for OpenGL ES 3.1 | 18:36 |
| bkeys | That would be satisfactory for my purposes | 18:39 |
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| minute | > For whatever it's worth, Valhall is the first Mali | 18:40 |
| minute | hardware that can support Vulkan properly, even Bifrost Vulkan is a slow mess | 18:40 |
| minute | that you wouldn't want to use for anything if you had another option | 18:40 |
| minute | so, vulkan on g-52 is possible but not recommended | 18:41 |
| minute | pretty interesting in this regard https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/merge_requests/16915 | 18:41 |
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| bkeys | Yeah but Panfrost has a lot going behind it so it will only improve, and GL3.1 would be good enough for me at the moment | 19:01 |
| sigrid | note re the mmc delays patch: I caught it today again once. resetting helps, but I'd like to find a full fix | 19:06 |
| sigrid | (talking about the u-boot early screen branch) | 19:07 |
| minute | gotcha | 19:09 |
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| minute | ok, just to summarize, 4 new products added today: | 19:20 |
| minute | https://shop.mntre.com/products/mnt-reform-homing-keycaps | 19:20 |
| minute | https://shop.mntre.com/products/mnt-pocket-reform-keycap-set-100-pieces | 19:20 |
| minute | https://shop.mntre.com/products/mnt-reform-i-mx8mplus-upgrade | 19:20 |
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| minute | https://shop.mntre.com/products/mnt-reform-keyboard-sleeve | 19:20 |
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| Boostisbetter | Are the keycaps printed? As in, do they have legends? | 19:27 |
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| minute | Boostisbetter: the pocket ones? no. the homing ones? on demand. | 19:34 |
| Boostisbetter | No I mean on the pack of 100 you can buy in the shop | 19:34 |
| minute | Boostisbetter: also note that the pocket ones will look weird on standard kailh spacing. | 19:34 |
| minute | (too much space inbetween) | 19:34 |
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| vkoskiv | This 8mplus is a very compelling upgrade, IMO even more so than the LS1028A | 21:03 |
| Boostisbetter | I think it would be really awesome if an x86 upgrade path could become available. | 21:13 |
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| minute | Boostisbetter: well, tell me if you find any small amd ryzen embedded SOMs that have board-to-board connectors | 21:28 |
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| josch | minute: yes, of course we can make upgrading u-boot more user-friendly. My point is, that we cannot automate it and thus i do not see a good way to switch away from boot.scr to extlinux.conf. I'll have to think more about that | 21:52 |
| josch | vagrantc: did you read that u-boot now has display support *and* keyboard support? extlinux.conf with boot menu works as well :) | 21:53 |
| vagrantc | josch: i read about the display, didn't know about the keyboard ... or extlinux.conf ... yay! | 22:00 |
| bkeys | Wow, KDE Connect is awesome | 22:20 |
| vagrantc | josch: what is the upgrade process currently? | 22:21 |
| vagrantc | ACTION wanders off | 22:28 |
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