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| josch | minute: gitlab CI works again :) | 05:54 |
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| josch | we now have patch mpv in our repos: https://mntre.com/reform-debian-repo/pool/main/m/mpv/ | 05:54 |
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| c-keen[m] | Does that mean I have a mpv player with HW accelleration again? | 10:00 |
| josch | no | 10:02 |
| josch | mpv cannot do hardware acceleration because ffmpeg cannot do it | 10:02 |
| minute | imx95 announced | 10:22 |
| minute | 6x a55 and mali for the first time at nxp | 10:22 |
| minute | https://www.nxp.com/company/blog/nxp-i-mx-95-family-unleashes-possibilities-for-the-secure-connected-edge:BL-NXPS-IMX-95-FAMILY-CONNECTED-EDGE | 10:23 |
| vkoskiv | Seems quite nice. Assuming it's not too proprietary/hot running | 10:25 |
| minute | 16nm, should be ok | 10:40 |
| minute | but we won't see it till end of the year i guess | 10:40 |
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| c-keen[m] | <josch> "mpv cannot do hardware accelerat..." <- ok.. | 11:10 |
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| josch | c-keen[m]: if you want to work on it, there are patches for ffmpeg 5.2: https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-debian-packages/-/blob/main/patches/ffmpeg | 12:05 |
| josch | the problem is, that the video is all tinged red -- barely watchable | 12:05 |
| josch | and h265 errors out | 12:05 |
| josch | err... sorry ffmpeg 5.1.2 i mean | 12:06 |
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| minute | josch: i wonder when it makes sense to integrate imx8mplus into our kernel build. currently, the patch stack is quite big | 13:08 |
| c-keen[m] | ah ok | 13:08 |
| minute | josch: i'm thinking to carry around a monolithic kernel build (kept in another repo) until that stack gets smaller... otherwise gardening this stack will slow down kernel updates for imx8mq | 13:09 |
| minute | but also looking for your opinion | 13:09 |
| minute | iirc ls1028a on the other hand doesn't have such a big patch stack | 13:10 |
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| minute | what's your A (amps) reading on oled battery status with standard reform on full display brightness? | 13:40 |
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| josch | 0.280 0.316 0.317 0.319 0.330 0.317 0.289 0.324 0.291 0.294 0.330 | 14:01 |
| josch | (just typing as the display auto-updates) | 14:01 |
| josch | minute: the debian freeze is incoming so there will be no kernel updates for the next 4 to 6 months | 14:02 |
| josch | minute: i do not think it's much of a problem to add the patch stack now and see if it works out | 14:02 |
| josch | s/if/howi | 14:03 |
| josch | s/if/how/ | 14:03 |
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| minute | josch: interesting, so 8mplus uses a little less power. it was around 0.25A | 15:14 |
| minute | josch: cool @ patch stack | 15:14 |
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| Boostisbetter | So is anybody else using xmpp as well as IRC here? Or do we all prefer IRC up in here? | 15:51 |
| minute | i use IRC with weechat on my server, and glowing bear as the frontend. | 16:10 |
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| josch | minute: where can i find the current patch stack? I'd like to build the 6.1 Debian kernel with it and see if there are no problems on the imx8mq | 16:13 |
| + MajorBiscuit (~MajorBisc@83.22.42.172.ipv4.supernova.orange.pl) | 16:13 | |
| Boostisbetter | minute: nice! I'll look those up. | 16:19 |
| Boostisbetter | minute: so weechat isn't a server per se but rather a relay to a IRC server? | 16:23 |
| Boostisbetter | But then there is also the weechat client that can connect to weechat relays? | 16:24 |
| Boostisbetter | Is that right? | 16:24 |
| josch | to talk with the clapper maintainer (who is also in this channel as rafo star) i recently installed nheko as a matrix client -- i never used matrix before but usability seems to be nice so far | 16:24 |
| q66 | Boostisbetter: weechat is an irc client | 16:44 |
| q66 | it implements a custom protocol that lets third party "clients" on other machines access its state | 16:44 |
| q66 | so you can be running the weechat instance on a server (it has a curses UI) while having a GUI on your machine that works over the relay protocol | 16:45 |
| q66 | glowing bear is one such GUI | 16:45 |
| q66 | an advantage over an irc bouncer is that it's not a simple message replay, you are accessing the current state of the remote irc client in real time | 16:47 |
| q66 | so it can never desync or make you lose messages | 16:48 |
| q66 | a disadvantage is that weechat's codebase kinda sucks and I don't trust it enough to let it have its own listen port open in the firewall | 16:49 |
| q66 | you can mitigate that somewhat by not exposing it directly but proxying it through e.g. nginx | 16:50 |
| q66 | that also lets you do https | 16:50 |
| q66 | weechat-android also implements a ssh tunnel approach which is the best but that only works with that one client (also it's a mess and only supports rsa keys, not ed25519) | 16:54 |
| Boostisbetter | Interesting. Kind of cool as well. | 17:22 |
| eery[m] | I used irssi in a tmux session for a long time, but got tired of keeping it up for just here and the power9 channels, so now I'm just using the matrix bridge | 17:25 |
| sknebel | I use quassel, which is a different implementation of the same concept (server with custom clients) | 17:26 |
| minute | Boostisbetter: correct. weechat client is not strictly needed though. | 18:01 |
| minute | Boostisbetter: i think it just offers a bit more functionality tailored to the weechat relay | 18:01 |
| minute | josch: i shall put it online soon; so far it exists only on my disk | 18:01 |
| josch | ah okay | 18:36 |
| josch | minute: feel free to ping me once you have placed them somewhere :) | 18:36 |
| minute | josch: will do! | 18:36 |
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| minute | lets speculate that pocket reform with 8mplus, 8GB ram, 128GB eMMC would cost USD 849 and free shipping. how does that sound? | 21:59 |
| Boostisbetter | minute, I'll give you double that for one right now. Hahahaha | 21:59 |
| minute | ahaha | 21:59 |
| Boostisbetter | Does that include the aluminum andonized case? | 21:59 |
| minute | yes | 21:59 |
| Boostisbetter | PLEASE SOFORT!!! | 22:00 |
| Boostisbetter | hahahaha | 22:00 |
| minute | hehe | 22:00 |
| minute | i'm doing price calculation now, it's really hard tbh | 22:00 |
| Boostisbetter | I believe it. Hard times to plan such things for sure. | 22:01 |
| minute | a big gamble | 22:01 |
| klardotsh | oh wow. the marketing piece writes itself: "50% cheaper than the flagship phones. And you're root - even at a hardware level." | 22:01 |
| Boostisbetter | Let me ask you this though, what do you see being the max configuration? Is that it? | 22:01 |
| minute | klardotsh: lol! | 22:02 |
| minute | Boostisbetter: no, you can max it out with SSD, cell modem, sleeve and so on | 22:02 |
| minute | but ssd + cell modem are off the shelve parts. sleeve is hand made here of course | 22:02 |
| Boostisbetter | klardotsh, exactly | 22:02 |
| Boostisbetter | minute, ok, maxing isn't my goal, but I would like the cellular, ssd, and a sleeve. i plan to seriously use the heck out this thing. | 22:03 |
| minute | oh, the librem 5 is $1299 now? | 22:03 |
| Boostisbetter | yep | 22:03 |
| minute | lead time 52 weeks | 22:03 |
| Boostisbetter | pricey, and the Pocket is going to walk all over it honestly | 22:03 |
| klardotsh | obviously Pocket Reform targets something a bit different than, say, the iPhone 12345678XProMaxS or whatever we're on now, but still, as a netbook revival device or some such, that's a killer price. | 22:03 |
| minute | klardotsh: cool, thanks | 22:04 |
| Boostisbetter | It is going to be replacing (finally) a 1 Netbook Onemix 3pt | 22:04 |
| Boostisbetter | for me at least | 22:04 |
| Boostisbetter | this is what I'm currently using to tide me over, and yes I'm left wanting.... | 22:07 |
| Boostisbetter | https://github.com/penk/penkesu | 22:07 |
| minute | good ol' penkesu | 22:07 |
| minute | Boostisbetter: i see that we're using the same battery format, but pocket has 2 of those | 22:08 |
| minute | Boostisbetter: the keyboard layout is also similar, the difference is that we have 5 rows, but the same number of columns and similar assignment | 22:09 |
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| Boostisbetter | minute, yep, the Penkesu is pretty awesome and competent despite its limitations. However compared to the Pocket it is very unpowered. | 22:19 |
| josch | for comparison, the DragonBox Pyra (successor of OpenPandora) with 4 GB RAM and dual 1.5 GHz Cortex A15 sells for 630 EUR and for 745 EUR with 4G modem included | 22:21 |
| minute | josch: ah, good to know as well | 22:24 |
| minute | was there a batch of pyras shipped already? | 22:25 |
| josch | i bought one of those in 2016 -- still didn't ship | 22:25 |
| minute | oh | 22:25 |
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| minute | hmm https://dragonbox.de/en/pyra/pyra-handheld-black-4g-us-edition.html | 22:26 |
| minute | this says "Finally, the time has come - your Pyra is finally ready to be shipped" | 22:26 |
| minute | josch: sounds like the order was a partial payment and you have to redeem it against the final order or something? | 22:27 |
| josch | yes, but there were 1000 preorders and only 150 have shipped so far according to https://pyra-handheld.com/boards/pages/pyra/ | 22:27 |
| c-keen[m] | oh I have backed the eoma64 project back in the day :/ | 22:27 |
| josch | and according to https://pyra-handheld.com/boards/threads/should-i-have-received-my-final-order-email-already.99284/ only orders that have been placed before january 2015 should've received their final confirmation mail | 22:28 |
| josch | s/2015/2016/ | 22:28 |
| josch | and i ordered in may :) | 22:29 |
| + Gooberpatrol66 (~Gooberpat@user/gooberpatrol66) | 22:29 | |
| minute | c-keen[m]: i have checked recently and on CS the eoma is now "no longer available" at least | 22:30 |
| Boostisbetter | josch, the pyra said resistive touchscreen and I instantly lost interest... | 22:30 |
| c-keen[m] | I am still on the mailing list and the whole saga is quite bizarre | 22:30 |
| klardotsh | whoa. 7 years late? that makes the FxTec Pro1X debacle (2-3 years late) llook trivial... | 22:31 |
| minute | Boostisbetter: i think that's because it has a pen | 22:32 |
| minute | IIRC | 22:33 |
| josch | i was spending money on mobile linux devices since the openmoko neo1973, freerunner and nokia n900 and neo900 days -- nothing of that ever became more than a hobby project on the side | 22:33 |
| josch | this makes me extra happy about my reform because finally i have hardware that is good enough to become my only machine | 22:33 |
| josch | (which has disadvantages as well... i need to get back to my office to flash the reform lpc firmware...) | 22:34 |
| Boostisbetter | josch, yeah, I still have my n900 and use it. The Reform really is excellent and could be my main as well. This means the Pocket could be as well, and that is really compelling. | 22:35 |
| josch | Boostisbetter: the microusb connector of moth my n900 broke :( | 22:37 |
| josch | *both | 22:37 |
| Boostisbetter | That sucks. Ever though about trying to fix them? | 22:37 |
| Boostisbetter | Not the easiest thing in the world for sure. | 22:37 |
| josch | it ripped out of the circuit board | 22:38 |
| minute | i heard that's a common problem | 22:39 |
| josch | yup, i read that too | 22:39 |
| josch | and i read that before mine broke so i tried to be extra careful | 22:39 |
| c-keen[m] | I think I still have a n900 in my stash | 22:40 |
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| c-keen[m] | I have found one of these usb-c PD negotiator plug thingies and built a small adapter, it can deliver 20V, now I need a proper usb C power supply, my 45 Watt block is too weak it seems | 23:04 |
| c-keen[m] | ACTION uploaded an image: (165KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/nerdberg.de/OqxAiinWzikItGuHqnGWJhFp/pxl_20230105_220511420.jpg > | 23:07 |
| josch | c-keen[m]: according to this table https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_hardware#USB_Power_Delivery you need a 60 W usb pd adapter | 23:08 |
| c-keen[m] | ACTION adds it to the shopping list | 23:09 |
| c-keen[m] | yeah I figured | 23:09 |
| c-keen[m] | I have been thinking about desolering the barrel plug and replacing it with one of these usb-c adapters. and maybe 3d printing a small enclosure to be able to fixate it in place | 23:10 |
| ec0 | hello o/ very nice to meet all of you, I haven't been in this channel long but I've been excited and following this project for some time. I'm personally into open source hardware and have designed some hardware myself, I'd love to be more involved with this project as I'm very passionate about use repairable and open source hardware, and as part of that I was planning to preorder a reform. does anyone know if the shipping estimates on crowdsupply... | 23:24 |
| ec0 | ... currently are fairly accurate, or if they are likely very optimistic? | 23:24 |
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| ec0 | I know global supply chain problems are still a big challenge | 23:28 |
| Boostisbetter | I would all of it to be accurate. MNT having been selling the Reform now for a while and are quite proficient at it. | 23:37 |
| klardotsh | I'll vouch that when I had shipping problems, the MNT team were busting their butts to get things to Mouser (CrowdSupply's parent company), so unless Mouser/CS is acting up again (long, resolved, story), I'd probably trust the estimates personally. | 23:38 |
| + MajorBiscuit (~MajorBisc@83.22.42.172.ipv4.supernova.orange.pl) | 23:44 | |
| ec0 | thank you, I've only used crowdsupply before previously for two projects (the sensor watch and tigard) and it was fantastic both times, so I really appreciate both of you sharing your experience & knowledge of past batches | 23:50 |
| c-keen[m] | the europe units which shipped directly from mnt were right on schedule, the world wide units got tangled up in a logistic nightmare with Mouser | 23:54 |
| c-keen[m] | also then parts shortage etc, but everything has been communicated very clearly and transparent from mnt's side, so one couldn't complain about the service :) | 23:55 |
| klardotsh | yeah, MNT handled that better than I could have possibly asked for (transparency down to spreadsheets showing what items were backlogged, where, and why) and I happily have ordered more stuff along the way. I was scared off of using CS for a while after that mess, but I get the impression they learned a lot from that backlash. | 23:57 |
| minute | ec0: we just sent 10 assembled units to CS, they should still have stock of those | 23:58 |
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| minute | ec0: we will send them more units in may when we get more imx8m modules | 23:59 |
| minute | ec0: mouser is out of stock of diy reforms i think (currently) | 23:59 |
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