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| chartreuse | Ooph, wish there were a few more shipping options than UPS Expedited for the shop to Canada (yes I'm up late XD), 40eur flat rate (plus if they charge duty) stings a bit. | 12:04 |
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| chartreuse | Guess I'll sleep on it and order in the morning, was going to get the battery boards and port covers with some christmas money, along with ordering some new lifepo4's from a US supplier | 12:05 |
| minute | chartreuse: we might be able to ship by snail mail, but it might take a long time | 12:34 |
| minute | btw we pay more than 40 eur for the package most of the time ;( | 12:35 |
| josch | minute: it's very unlikely that gstreamer 1.22 will make it into the next stable release | 12:46 |
| josch | the problem is, that gstreamer depends on zxing-cpp 1.4 and debian only has zxing 1.2. Why don't we upgrade? Because upstream of zxing created a big mess around their releases and versioning that now has to be cleaned up in zxing itself as well as in all packages depending on it. | 12:47 |
| josch | (including big ones like libreoffice) | 12:47 |
| josch | so fixing this will take united effors of multiple development teams that i don't see happening, giving that the respective zxing bugs are several months old... | 12:48 |
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| minute | josch: ughhh | 13:05 |
| josch | the joys of creating a linux distro... | 13:09 |
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| c-keen[m] | What bad timing | 15:12 |
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| c-keen[m] | ah installed wlgreeter, nice! | 17:49 |
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| bkeys | https://yewtu.be/watch?v=ZOxK5ByuxSo | 17:54 |
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| Boostisbetter | SO I'm on a mission to get hibernation working for the Librem 5. If I am successful, I am positive I should be able to get it working on the Reform. | 20:01 |
| Boostisbetter | THoughts? | 20:01 |
| Boostisbetter | it should be easier on the L5, because it using eMMC only. | 20:03 |
| Boostisbetter | but we'll see. | 20:03 |
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| bkeys | Boostisbetter: Would you recommend the L5 to anyone? | 21:02 |
| bkeys | How is it's battery life? | 21:03 |
| bkeys | The reviews don't seem good at all. My phone usage is pretty basic; just xmpp for calling and texting and web browsing. I liked grapheneos before my son lost my phone in the museum, but the pixel phones got rid of the headphone jack which pisses me off | 21:05 |
| Boostisbetter | honestly, as a phone the L5 is not the best. They are working on it, and maybe one day. I am able to make and receive calls. SMS works as well. However, getting to this point require a specific carrier and location was important. | 21:07 |
| Boostisbetter | But the main thing the L5 is, is a Linux mainline powered portable computer in phone format. | 21:07 |
| Boostisbetter | I plug it into a Uperfect Mini X laptop dock and it becomes a Reform. Only not nearly as nice. | 21:08 |
| Boostisbetter | So I guess whether it can be recommended or not is up to you and your use case. | 21:08 |
| Boostisbetter | I am REALLY looking forward to the Pocket Reform. | 21:08 |
| bkeys | I'd be using it purely as a phone | 21:08 |
| bkeys | I am bouncing back and forth between grapheneos, l5, and pocket reform | 21:08 |
| eery[m] | I gotta say, I have a Talos, Reform, and Pinephone, and while I can/do use the former for daily work, the Pinephone is just too unreliable as a communication device | 21:09 |
| eery[m] | Pinephone is not an L5, but "close enough" in terms of software I think to compare them | 21:09 |
| Boostisbetter | I have messed with both, and I believe the L5 has the advantage just because the company responsible for the harwdare is also making the software | 21:17 |
| Boostisbetter | and continuing to make the software. in fact, the pinphone would be a paperweight without the work Purism has done for mobile linux | 21:18 |
| Boostisbetter | That said, I think the Pocket Reform is going to be VERY appealing. | 21:18 |
| eery[m] | Sure, but the hardware isn't the biggest issue to me, it's been the software | 21:19 |
| eery[m] | It's sacrilegious to say but I feel like my best Pinephone experience was with the Android port | 21:19 |
| eery[m] | Maybe the pocket reform with its more traditional interface can bridge the gap | 21:21 |
| eery[m] | I usually use a wireless headset with my phone in my pocket anyway -- I can imagine making calls on the reform that way | 21:22 |
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| bkeys | eery[m]: How is android on the pinephone pro? I know AOSP is still terrible when it comes to privacy; is the android port sufficiently degoogled? | 21:33 |
| eery[m] | I dunno, I just have a normal Pinephone -- I probably wouldn't throw more money at Pine64 at this point | 21:34 |
| bkeys | Yeah I am really divided on what to do for mobile | 21:35 |
| bkeys | I just wonder if the pocket reform will actually fit in my pocket | 21:35 |
| Boostisbetter | I don't think so, but I don't think that is really the point. | 21:46 |
| sigrid | depends on the pocket | 21:49 |
| bkeys | Hmm, I wonder if it would be reasonable to have it on a belt clip? | 21:54 |
| sigrid | or maybe a holder like old analog cameras had | 21:55 |
| bkeys | I'd just need to carry it around. I wish purses were acceptable for men to wear | 21:58 |
| bkeys | I have a bookbag, but it's overkill for a lot of stuff unless I need it | 21:58 |
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| minute | wtf > FYI, panfork is a hostile mesa fork maintained by an individual who was banned (twice) from freedesktop.org for repeated and persistent abuse and gaslighting towards a Mesa developer over the course of several years. | 22:37 |
| Boostisbetter | bkeys, I got this rad utility bag Waterfield that I am hoping to use with it. | 22:37 |
| Boostisbetter | But I'm def going to be looking for a bag with padding for it. | 22:38 |
| bkeys | Dang it, one of my batteries got wrecked it seems | 23:06 |
| bkeys | I wish the new battery boards would come sooner | 23:06 |
| Boostisbetter | the new boards are great though. Easy to install. | 23:13 |
| bkeys | It seems I wrecked the whole set? I don't know, 7 of the 8 are reporting 3.2V which doesn't seem that low | 23:14 |
| bkeys | Another $50 for a set of batteries I suppose | 23:14 |
| Boostisbetter | The laptop shoudl still run on 7 right? | 23:15 |
| bkeys | I can unplug it and 3 of the cells have big voltage drop | 23:15 |
| bkeys | It's likely the whole set of batteries is ruined, which is annoying | 23:15 |
| bkeys | I had it off charge for, 3.5 hours? | 23:16 |
| Boostisbetter | yeah, I read about those issue before I got mine, and I made it a point to leave it plugged in all the time. | 23:16 |
| bkeys | Yeah, so there goes another $50 | 23:16 |
| Boostisbetter | Normally the batteries will last for around 8-10 hours if you are using standby | 23:16 |
| Boostisbetter | If it is on 3-4 hours. | 23:16 |
| bkeys | Yeah well this is hopefully the last time this happens since the battery boards are shipping. I got them in a crowd buy a guy did to save on shipping. I saw where people are having them be delivered to their house; so I asked him if he got them yet | 23:20 |
| JC[m] | bkeys: I'm not following what happened to your batteries. I've let my laptop become undervoltaged several times and have been able to revive my OEM batteries each time using the Nitecore charger. | 23:26 |
| bkeys | This is the 2nd set | 23:27 |
| bkeys | JC[m]: What is the nitecore charger? | 23:27 |
| minute | bkeys: don't run on 7 batteries! | 23:27 |
| bkeys | minute: I am plugged in | 23:28 |
| bkeys | I don't intend to unplug it until I get new batteries | 23:28 |
| JC[m] | https://community.mnt.re/t/battery-is-not-charging/270/23 | 23:28 |
| minute | bkeys: you should turn off, unplug and remove the batteries, that way you can preserve the good ones | 23:28 |
| JC[m] | https://community.mnt.re/t/battery-is-not-charging/270/15 | 23:28 |
| bkeys | minute: I am not sure there are any good ones | 23:29 |
| minute | bkeys: ah, i thought they were measuring 3.2v? | 23:29 |
| minute | bkeys: 3.2 is perfectly normal | 23:29 |
| JC[m] | What is the problem? You have 3.2V open-loop voltage but very low voltage when a load is applied? | 23:29 |
| bkeys | They are, if I unplug it for just a few seconds and read it again, they quickly drop to nothing | 23:29 |
| bkeys | It does that for 2 cells, the others stay at 3.2V | 23:30 |
| JC[m] | Hmm, that does sound like a damaged cell to me... | 23:30 |
| minute | bkeys: i see... well if two cells are bad, it doesn't mean the others are yet | 23:30 |
| Boostisbetter | minute, getting hibernation working on the Reform. Is that something which is possible? I'm seeing that the hibernate package is not available for arm64 | 23:30 |
| JC[m] | yep | 23:30 |
| minute | bkeys: but you should really take out all cells. do you have a multimeter? you can measure them outside of the laptop | 23:31 |
| bkeys | Yeah I will let them sit on charge for a few hours and see if they go back to 3.3V | 23:31 |
| bkeys | Yes I have a multimeter | 23:31 |
| bkeys | But isn't the firmware reading just as good as a multimeter? | 23:31 |
| minute | bkeys: not necessarily, if there is a really bad cell it can mess with the reading | 23:32 |
| minute | Boostisbetter: i am not 100% sure how hibernation works in all technical detail | 23:33 |
| bkeys | Alright, brb | 23:34 |
| minute | bkeys: also hmm, it's unlikely that damage happened because the laptop was off charge for only 3.5h. that's super weird | 23:34 |
| minute | bkeys: where did you buy the batteries? what brand and model are they? | 23:35 |
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| Boostisbetter | minute, from my initial looking, the hibernation package is not available for the platform. So I think getting it working is going to be not so easy. I do have a 10gb swap on the nvme I am using, so from the swap point of view, I'm good to go. | 23:46 |
| josch | Boostisbetter: what is the "hibernation" package? | 23:49 |
| Boostisbetter | josch: well reading some instruction is says you should apt install pm-utils hibernate | 23:50 |
| Boostisbetter | So I just assumed it was a separate package. | 23:50 |
| josch | also fyi, as some of you know, my unit fails to resume from suspend because my nvme doesn't come back up. Thus, my reform is always on. That way I can also report that 5+ hours of battery life are possible with the screen turned off. :) | 23:50 |
| josch | Boostisbetter: such a package used to exist in oldstable, yes. | 23:50 |
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| josch | Boostisbetter: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=954062 | 23:51 |
| bkeys | Well good thing none of my batteries are wrecked | 23:51 |
| bkeys | I'll post a picture of it, but basically my battery board blew up. Must have happened somehow when I was trying to install the internal antenna for my wireless card this morning | 23:52 |
| minute | bkeys: so something wrong with the measurements in reform? | 23:52 |
| minute | bkeys: ahaa | 23:52 |
| bkeys | I smelt a slight hint of burnt electronics but nothing was wrong | 23:52 |
| minute | bkeys: trace blown? | 23:52 |
| bkeys | minute: https://cache.cheogram.com/zB7NCdQMnnD6CWPyYM6UY9Qdzja2CBbg3qx8aFzSqqRXGVVqVgjahYkh2dESBrVnDfEeupcELkhZfeM4xMiXPXD1r6Zhr.jpg | 23:52 |
| bkeys | That is what it looks lik | 23:52 |
| bkeys | like | 23:52 |
| minute | bkeys: this happens when 2 cells are shorted with each other | 23:52 |
| minute | bkeys: the trace acts like a fuse here | 23:53 |
| bkeys | Yeah, I didn't mess with the batteries at all so I don't know how it happened but I know that traces don't just blow up usually | 23:53 |
| minute | bkeys: if you have soldering equipment you can probably fix it | 23:53 |
| bkeys | Yeah that is what I figured, I have a soldering iron and the university has the consumables needed | 23:53 |
| minute | bkeys: but easier to wait for the replacements | 23:53 |
| bkeys | Yeah I was gonna say I already paid the guy in the community for buying the new protected ones; I'll just wait for them | 23:53 |
| minute | bkeys: ok cool. until then, just run the device without batteries | 23:53 |
| bkeys | I have the battery boards totally removed | 23:54 |
| minute | good | 23:54 |
| chartreuse | minute: Yeah no worries, figured it actually costs that much and such, just always a sting international shipping from anywhere XD | 23:54 |
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| bkeys | minute: Good advice on using the multimeter, I finally invested the money in getting a Fluke one and forgot I had it | 23:54 |
| bkeys | I'd much prefer this over buying new batteries, especially since the replacement has already been bought' | 23:55 |
| bkeys | I'm also gonna do the mod where I put heat shrink over the battery clips when I get the protected ones | 23:55 |
| chartreuse | https://www.printables.com/model/222003-mnt-reform-battery-bracket | 23:56 |
| chartreuse | There's this thing too which someone linked me on mastodon if you want some extra protection between adjacent | 23:57 |
| bkeys | That'd be nice although that would also block the molex wires I run inbetween them. I think I'll likely end up doing the heat shrink mod | 23:58 |
| bkeys | I'm relieved that it's the battery boards and not the batteries | 23:59 |
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