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| Boostisbetter | josch: thanks josch! Will do and let you know. | 10:03 |
| josch | Boostisbetter: cool :) | 10:03 |
| Boostisbetter | minute: great news on xfce getting there with Wayland. | 10:04 |
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| josch | just built linux 6.1.1 on the reform instead of cross-compiling it... takes 6 hours XD | 11:58 |
| vkoskiv | Damn C is just a bloated language and slow to compile! We should rewrite Linux in ASM! | 11:59 |
| josch | haha | 11:59 |
| c-keen[m] | <josch> "just built linux 6.1.1 on the..." <- It's an incredible amount of code | 12:20 |
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| Boostisbetter | vkoskiv, no way would I consider C bloated. Hahaha | 13:51 |
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| sigrid | the whole of 9front (userspace + kernel) builds in a few minutes on a reform. c is definitely not the problem | 14:00 |
| vkoskiv | twas a joke | 14:00 |
| sigrid | understandable | 14:03 |
| sigrid | i just could not miss the chance to advertise | 14:04 |
| vkoskiv | C is pretty heavy to compile if you use cmake, modern gcc and are running on a i486 DX66 | 14:04 |
| vkoskiv | I know this because I did it. | 14:04 |
| vkoskiv | 24MB of RAM | 14:04 |
| sigrid | D: turboC would be fine | 14:05 |
| vkoskiv | Yeah, that runs fine on my PC even | 14:08 |
| vkoskiv | It's only got an 8088 | 14:08 |
| Boostisbetter | I love the 8088. Was my first cpu. | 14:11 |
| Boostisbetter | So capable despite being so limited by comparison. | 14:12 |
| Boostisbetter | I really like the 186 in the HP 200 LX as well. | 14:12 |
| Boostisbetter | in other news, I wonder if the Reform standby script would work well on the Purism Librem 5 | 14:12 |
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| Boostisbetter | josch, is the Reform your primary computer? | 18:42 |
| JC[m] | Such a coincidence - I'm sitting next to an IBM PC w/ an 8088 right now | 18:44 |
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| Boostisbetter | Most excellent! Yeah my very first computer that was soley mine was an IBM 5155 | 18:51 |
| Boostisbetter | I loved that thing so much. | 18:51 |
| vkoskiv | I collect vintage computers. In 2014 I found a large haul of IBM PCs and related hardware for 300 euro. | 18:51 |
| JC[m] | So much nostalgia | 18:51 |
| vkoskiv | Well worth it. I got 2 5150s, a 5160 with a 286 CPU accelerator, an IBM CGA monitor, and a green phosphor monitor | 18:52 |
| vkoskiv | Also all the documentation, a model F keyboard, and super rare IBM PC expansion units | 18:52 |
| vkoskiv | Those just add more slots to a regular PC | 18:52 |
| JC[m] | Sounds like a great haul for 300 euro | 18:53 |
| JC[m] | I'm only 35, so the IBM is 5 years older than I am, but it's what I used until I was 10 or so because my family never had much money. | 18:54 |
| Boostisbetter | vkoskiv, I would LOVE to be able to collect early 80s and on computers. I just don't have the space. The closests I've been able to get (in an awesome way) is the HP 200LX. I have 3 of these, and they are truly amazing. So ahead of their time and PERFECT for running most XT software. | 18:55 |
| JC[m] | Computers are sooo inexpensive these days - I think people take that for granted sometimes. | 18:55 |
| JC[m] | The IBM is taking up ~40% of my desk right now haha | 18:58 |
| vkoskiv | josch: shellcheck has a few nits about the latest reform-check in your MR | 18:58 |
| JC[m] | I want to take a HDD backup and see if I can run the image in a VM | 18:58 |
| vkoskiv | Boostisbetter: I don't have the space either, I just make peace with that :D | 18:59 |
| vkoskiv | Luckily the PCs stack well | 18:59 |
| Boostisbetter | indeed | 18:59 |
| vkoskiv | And I collect a lot of laptops, can just have them like books on a shelf. | 18:59 |
| vkoskiv | Never stack laptops. They are heavy, and don't like being stacked. | 18:59 |
| JC[m] | Screens go crunch | 19:00 |
| vkoskiv | Always on the side. Currently in a cardboard box. | 19:00 |
| vkoskiv | Ye. Also old laptops have rubber feet that turn into gunk | 19:00 |
| JC[m] | or break into dust | 19:01 |
| vkoskiv | Especially old powerbooks, so sad :( | 19:16 |
| vkoskiv | The plastics on those just crumble, especially around the hinges. | 19:16 |
| vkoskiv | I have a PB 1400cs with a G3 accelerator. Really nice, just needs a new case :D | 19:16 |
| JC[m] | Oh yeah, the hinge covers dissintegrate | 19:18 |
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| vkoskiv | Sadly not just the covers on mine. The whole hinge assembly. And the display back cover is shattered. | 19:30 |
| vkoskiv | This unit might have been dropped, but the plastic is still just weak. | 19:30 |
| vkoskiv | Booting it up was a cool time capsule. The browser had the front page of a news site cached from 2001 | 19:30 |
| vkoskiv | The main problem with my reform is that I work remote, so I don't often leave my home. And at home I mostly use my desktop PC. | 20:49 |
| vkoskiv | Finally out and about for christmas :D | 20:49 |
| josch | Boostisbetter: yes, the reform has been my only computer for non-work stuff for half a year now. Everything i do in my free time from email to browsing to videos to debian and other free software development i do on the reform. | 21:32 |
| Boostisbetter | very cool | 21:32 |
| josch | vkoskiv: thank you for the shellcheck hint -- there was a recent update from shellcheck 0.8 to 0.9 which now finds a lot more issues | 21:33 |
| vkoskiv | Ah, yeah, I'm running 0.9 | 21:33 |
| josch | i have not yet managed to go through all of my software to update the shell scripts accordingly | 21:33 |
| vkoskiv | Fun tool to use at work to make me seem smarter than I am :D | 21:33 |
| josch | absolutely -- for the software where i'm upstream i'm running shellcheck as part of the CI so that no code that doesn't pass can get in :) | 21:35 |
| c-keen[m] | Shellcheck is indeed great thanks for telling me! | 21:39 |
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| josch | starting gparted fails with: | 22:39 |
| josch | Gtk-WARNING **: 22:38:26.419: cannot open display: :0 | 22:39 |
| josch | are gtk applications not automatically fine with wayland? | 22:39 |
| minute | josch: gtk3 and higher yes | 22:45 |
| minute | josch: gtk2 has no wayland support | 22:45 |
| minute | josch: maybe gnome-disks fits your bill? | 22:46 |
| josch | hrm... ldd /usr/libexec/gpartedbin says it links against libgtk-3.so.0 -- i don't see gtk2 stuff | 22:49 |
| minute | hmmm you could try GDK_BACKEND=wayland | 22:51 |
| minute | but maybe it's just a warning? or does it not work? | 22:52 |
| josch | it just quits | 22:52 |
| josch | i don't even see a window | 22:52 |
| minute | ahh maybe it is trying to run as root? | 22:53 |
| minute | or as not-you | 22:53 |
| minute | so might not have the right environment or something | 22:54 |
| minute | i remember something was weird with gparted | 22:54 |
| minute | btw... anyone tried h265 decoding yet? i wonder if i'm missing some piece to make it work (just tried with clapper on imx8mplus, getting a kind of green video and high cpu usage) | 22:54 |
| josch | minute: i think h265 needs linux 6.1 | 22:55 |
| minute | that i do have | 22:55 |
| josch | and unreleased gstreamer | 22:55 |
| minute | [ 0.000000] Linux version 6.1.0-rc8-next-20221206+ (mntmn@mntmn-i9) (aarch64-linux-gnu-gcc (Debian 12.2.0-3) 12.2.0, GNU ld (GNU Binutils for Debian) 2.39) #106 SMP PREEMPT Fri Dec 23 22:41:44 CET 2022 | 22:55 |
| minute | ah! | 22:55 |
| minute | that i do not have | 22:55 |
| josch | oh cool you already have it running, nice! | 22:55 |
| minute | but mind, it's on imx8mp | 22:56 |
| josch | minute: bingo! gparted works with sudo -E which preserves the environment variables | 22:57 |
| minute | ha! | 22:57 |
| minute | cool | 22:57 |
| minute | arcane incantations | 22:57 |
| josch | these are the two environment variables that need to be set under sudo: WAYLAND_DISPLAY=wayland-1 XDG_RUNTIME_DIR=/run/user/1000 | 23:07 |
| minute | makes sense | 23:19 |
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