| bkeys | I think wayland is going to kill any smaller X11 desktops, and we will get a new generation of desktops | 00:17 |
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| bkeys | Only Gnome and KDE will survive, that is my guess | 00:17 |
| Boostisbetter | I love Wayland though. Best thing to happen for desktop Linux for a while now. | 00:21 |
| bkeys | I just wish KDE worked properly, I'd be a lot more bummed out if I used a less popular desktop like xfce cause then I'd never get wayland support | 00:21 |
| bkeys | KDE is livable but sometimes I have to reset everything because it decays to the point that it becomes unusable | 00:22 |
| bkeys | Doesn't matter what hardware I use; I have never once had it to a point where it worked even closely as well as it does on X11 | 00:22 |
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| + Theuman (~Theuman@201-20-11-72-194-dhcp.wls.metalink.net) | 03:23 | |
| Theuman | hi, what happened to #mnt-amiga? | 03:24 |
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| * nsc -> Guest2411 | 03:37 | |
| Theuman | looking for help with ZZ9000 | 03:46 |
| josch | Theuman: maybe stick around a bit longer. It's currently 4 AM in the morning Berlin timezone. :) | 03:58 |
| Theuman | ok, thx-_- is #mnt-amiga the correct channel for ZZ9000 help? | 04:00 |
| josch | Sorry, i cannot help you more. You likely have to wait for minute to respond. I'm only here because of the MNT Reform and know nothing about the ZZ9000 | 04:06 |
| Theuman | ok thx | 04:13 |
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| + vagrantc (~vagrant@2600:3c01:e000:21:7:77:0:20) | 06:26 | |
| bkeys | And my KDE panel just disappears | 06:28 |
| bkeys | I'm not against wayland, but this never happens on x11 | 06:29 |
| josch | bkeys: but this is not kde-plasma you are running, is it? | 06:53 |
| bkeys | Yes it is | 06:53 |
| josch | weird... i've never seen this problem when i used kde-plasma on the reform :( | 06:54 |
| bkeys | I don't think it's a Reform thing I think it's KDE having bugs in their migration to wayland. Which is understandable cause KDE is huge; but I just wonder cause I first heard about wayland I think in 2012 and it's 10 years later and it's still buggy | 06:55 |
| bkeys | I can only imagine how difficult it is to get something as big as KDE moved over; it's just been so long and it's still not stable | 06:56 |
| bkeys | I do wonder how long it will be until wayland provides the same options for everyone in regards to desktop environments that X11 did/does | 06:56 |
| bkeys | I'm no expert in the matter but I do wonder, if wayland is so well designed; then why is it so hard to develop for? Even desktop applications like Godot, or development libraries like Qt have to put up large amounts of effort to support it | 06:58 |
| josch | bkeys: are those problems "random" or could you reproduce them? | 07:01 |
| bkeys | Random | 07:01 |
| bkeys | But consistent, it's the same handful of things | 07:02 |
| bkeys | A couple times a week, wayland will bring KDE to it's knees and I'll have to restart everything | 07:02 |
| bkeys | With the trajectory it has, I think KDE will become stable on Wayland within a couple years. It's livable at the moment, if I used something like XFCE or LXQt I'd be really bummed out by the whole wayland thing. I guess I picked a winning horse | 07:03 |
| josch | is gnome more stable? | 07:05 |
| bkeys | I don't use gnome, I minimize my windows | 07:05 |
| josch | i think most problems i had was with xwayland | 07:05 |
| josch | bkeys: my partner uses gnome with the flashback theme which gets it back to a normal desktop | 07:06 |
| bkeys | But I have heard gnome works well with wayland; I have even heard accusations that gnome largely being a red hat project that wayland caters to gnome | 07:06 |
| bkeys | It's not so bad, I can just stick to KDE; it just irks me sometimes. Sometimes it feels like wayland got pushed hard before it was ready | 07:06 |
| bkeys | At least when the whole systemd thing happened systemd never brought my system to it's knees or caused me any real trouble at all | 07:07 |
| sknebel | otoh, most distros dont default to it yet either? | 07:15 |
| bkeys | I use Fedora which defaults to it, but x11 is an option | 07:20 |
| bkeys | Most of the decisions they make I agree with; just this one seems rolled out before it was ready. Maybe they wanted people to test it and get more bug reports | 07:21 |
| bkeys | Goodnight | 07:29 |
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| sknebel | ah right, fedora tends be a bit ahead of the curve with those things | 07:32 |
| sknebel | good night! | 07:32 |
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| * XgFgX -> XgF | 10:30 | |
| vkoskiv | https://www.collabora.com/news-and-blog/blog/2022/12/15/machine-learning-with-etnaviv-and-opencl/ | 10:30 |
| + dmorn (~dmorn@46.234.244.221) | 11:07 | |
| * dmorn -> domorn | 11:12 | |
| * domorn -> dmorn | 11:12 | |
| dmorn | Hi people! I've got a question for the EU hackers: where do you order components from? I'm struggling to find a littlefuse 0157004.DR for my MNT | 11:19 |
| c-keen[m] | digikey has it and ships to private addresses https://www.digikey.de/de/products/detail/littelfuse-inc/0157004-DR/1971990 | 11:22 |
| dmorn | 12 Wochen :'D | 11:22 |
| dmorn | I need my reform back in shape ASAP | 11:23 |
| c-keen[m] | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ oh well, could be worse | 11:23 |
| c-keen[m] | Bürklin also has it but only as a 1500 pcs package | 11:23 |
| dmorn | Oh yeah it could :'D I'm checking out RS components right now, lets see | 11:24 |
| c-keen[m] | (and is more expensive) | 11:24 |
| c-keen[m] | oh no, they updated their stock just now it seems | 11:24 |
| c-keen[m] | or mouser europe | 11:25 |
| c-keen[m] | 17 weeks 😄 | 11:25 |
| dmorn | Holy crap rs-components has the same waiting time :'D | 11:26 |
| minute | https://www.lcsc.com/product-detail/Fuses_Littelfuse-0157004-DR_C2938315.html | 11:26 |
| dmorn | minute: WOW standard shipment line 5$, 7-15 business days! Amazing thanks :D | 11:29 |
| minute | you're welcome ^^ | 11:29 |
| c-keen[m] | cool | 11:30 |
| josch | there are also meta search engines for parts like this: https://octopart.com/0157004.dr-littelfuse-8985717?r=sp | 11:33 |
| dmorn | josch: Thanks! | 11:35 |
| dmorn | minute: Can we also buy replacement components from you? | 11:37 |
| dmorn | I have a friend in Berlin that is coming here next week, I could ask him to pass by..? | 11:39 |
| minute | dmorn: next week is very hectic for us because of HiP. we can send him something in a letter maybe. but my time is really stretched thin and my coworker is ill atm | 12:08 |
| minute | in general, the more independent from us you can be, the better :D | 12:08 |
| minute | btw i have found a contractor who can solve the u-boot display issue | 12:09 |
| dmorn | minute: OK perfect :D I'll checkout if there is any chance to arrange this with him just so I can get the replacement part before holydays to get back my workstation :D | 12:14 |
| dmorn | minute: To print ealy boot logs on screen? | 12:15 |
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| josch | the u-boot display issue will get solved? omg i'm so hyped!! :D | 12:19 |
| minute | josch: well, it depends a bit on how expensive it's gonna be | 12:38 |
| josch | you pay by hour? | 12:49 |
| josch | and thus there will be a "too expensive" if it takes too much effort? | 12:50 |
| c-keen[m] | oh UPS, they mail me a planned delivery date for MONDAY, then complain that they could not meet me TODAY and that they will drop it off in the next UPS Access Point | 12:54 |
| c-keen[m] | this is not how this works | 12:54 |
| Boostisbetter | yeah ups can be shady for sure. to br fair there is a lot of pressure on logistic companies this time of year. | 14:56 |
| sigrid | they sms'd me with 3 choices, I chose to get it from unmanned code-locked boxes on the street right next to me | 15:03 |
| Boostisbetter | so folks, I'm really at a point where I am ready to ditch Windows on my desktop. The issue? The 3090 ti in the system, that I would really like to keep functionality from. | 15:56 |
| Boostisbetter | I look forward to the day when drivers for gaphics cards will be just as good across all OSes. | 15:57 |
| vkoskiv | I have 2 nvidia GPUs in my arch linux desktop, and things work just fine | 15:57 |
| vkoskiv | I even recently got a used VR setup, and I've been messing around with that | 15:57 |
| vkoskiv | Granted, I'm using the nonfree nvidia proprietary drivers on here. | 15:57 |
| dmorn | ACTION info | 16:06 |
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| dmorn | minute: given my situation (https://community.mnt.re/t/repair-support-mnt-frozen-with-super-hot-motherboard/1326) are there any other components that you would suggest me to order from lcsc? | 16:35 |
| + bkeys (~Thunderbi@static-198-54-135-69.cust.tzulo.com) | 17:26 | |
| minute | i have an aluminum pocket reform | 17:31 |
| minute | it is quite heavy because it is not yet weight optimized | 17:31 |
| c-keen[m] | Whoohoo | 17:31 |
| minute | but it also feels quite remarkable | 17:31 |
| minute | could also be a melee weapon lol | 17:31 |
| dmorn | :'D | 17:36 |
| bkeys | minute: Is it just the case or is it the carrier board as well? | 17:42 |
| minute | bkeys: just the case, the pcb is very light | 18:16 |
| bkeys | Do you have a carrier board for the pocket reform or is that in the works? | 18:24 |
| + ajr (~ajr@user/ajr) | 18:30 | |
| minute | bkeys: what do you mean? | 18:33 |
| minute | bkeys: ah, i misunderstood your first question | 18:33 |
| minute | the pocket reform is already working | 18:33 |
| minute | it just needs a bit of polishing before release/crowdfunding | 18:34 |
| minute | i thought you were askig about the source of the weight. | 18:34 |
| Boostisbetter | minute, really happy to hear that. And I totally understand about the polish bit. The Reform is super polished. It is an amazingly well made product. Really looking forward to Pocket Reform | 18:39 |
| Boostisbetter | sorry I will try to limit my gushing over the Pocket to only once a day. | 18:39 |
| minute | haha well, i'm happy that you're enjoying it this much | 18:47 |
| Boostisbetter | minute, I got a software project I have been working on (a game) that I am planning on doing a lot of work on through the Pocket. I'm planning on doing a big review writeup document that effort, as kind of like a case study focused on the usefullness of the form factor, etc. | 18:51 |
| Boostisbetter | So I'm pumped. | 18:51 |
| minute | wow, sounds great :3 | 18:54 |
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| c-keen[m] | Battery boards arrived! | 19:09 |
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| bkeys | Yeah was asking, minute how is the cm4 adapter coming along? Did the adapter you make work? | 19:36 |
| minute | bkeys: the adapter pcb is not here yet. these things don't happen overnight | 20:46 |
| minute | i basically just ordered it at the fab :D | 20:46 |
| minute | actually the pcbs for the adapter are in transit to us. | 20:51 |
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| bkeys | Yeah I knew it was ordered I just didn't know if it came in yet | 22:26 |
| minute | also waiting for the STPD2600 chips to come from digikey etc | 22:47 |
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