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| + S0rin (~S0rin@user/s0rin) | 00:28 | |
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| bkeys | Is wayland ever going to be reasonably stable on KDE? | 03:19 |
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| + bkeys (~Thunderbi@static-198-54-135-69.cust.tzulo.com) | 03:25 | |
| - Guest9543 (QUIT: Ping timeout: 272 seconds) (~nicolas@62-49-142-46.pool.kielnet.net) | 03:36 | |
| + nsc (~nicolas@119-49-142-46.pool.kielnet.net) | 03:38 | |
| * nsc -> Guest8706 | 03:38 | |
| + bgs (~bgs@212-85-160-171.dynamic.telemach.net) | 07:09 | |
| - Boostisbetter (QUIT: Ping timeout: 252 seconds) (4a410829d7@irc.cheogram.com) | 07:13 | |
| josch | bkeys: i used kde plasma exclusively during my holidays in portugal this year and didn't see any issues -- what instabilities did you observe? | 07:30 |
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| + Boostisbetter (4a410829d7@irc.cheogram.com) | 07:59 | |
| + bgs (~bgs@212-85-160-171.dynamic.telemach.net) | 08:10 | |
| josch | minute: currently reform-tools ships /etc/motd-rescue and /etc/motd-full. Both print "System Image v3: 2022-05-20". What date should these scripts print? The date of the latest reform-tools version? | 08:15 |
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| - S0rin (QUIT: Ping timeout: 272 seconds) (~S0rin@user/s0rin) | 09:13 | |
| + S0rin (~S0rin@user/s0rin) | 09:14 | |
| - S0rin (QUIT: Ping timeout: 252 seconds) (~S0rin@user/s0rin) | 09:24 | |
| + S0rin (~S0rin@user/s0rin) | 09:48 | |
| - mjw (QUIT: Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by wielaard!~mjw_@2001:1c06:2488:1400:9e5c:8eff:fe8f:a440))) (~mark@gnu.wildebeest.org) | 10:42 | |
| * wielaard -> mjw | 10:42 | |
| + mark__ (~mark@gnu.wildebeest.org) | 10:42 | |
| minute | josch: i think we should automatically insert the current date of the build | 10:54 |
| minute | i.e. the date on which the CI is running | 10:55 |
| + MajorBiscuit (~MajorBisc@145.94.137.174) | 11:13 | |
| josch | minute: the date on which the CI ran to build reform-system-image (that date can be very old) or the date on which reform-tools was built on the CI? | 11:37 |
| minute | josch: i think these are two different things, right? | 11:37 |
| josch | yes | 11:38 |
| minute | the date shows the system image build date. it does not yet show the reform-tools build date | 11:38 |
| josch | should both be shown? | 11:38 |
| minute | (or, it's supposed to show the system image build date) | 11:38 |
| josch | it is? but that can be years in the past -- is that really useful to show in the motd? | 11:38 |
| minute | it is not | 11:38 |
| minute | so, reform-tools is more sensible | 11:39 |
| josch | yes, i think so as well | 11:39 |
| josch | i'll prepare a merge request then together with the two new environment variables, yes? | 11:39 |
| vkoskiv | +1 to the env vars, forgot to chime in earlier | 11:40 |
| vkoskiv | I've got them defined anyway, they seem sensible | 11:40 |
| josch | minute: MOZ_ENABLE_WAYLAND=1 and _JAVA_AWT_WM_NONREPARENTING=1 | 11:40 |
| josch | both are referenced in https://wiki.debian.org/Wayland as well | 11:40 |
| vkoskiv | Is that nonreparenting one specific to wayland or tiling window managers? | 11:41 |
| josch | (unless you know of a reason against firefox running in wayland of course) | 11:41 |
| josch | vkoskiv: I used _JAVA_AWT_WM_NONREPARENTING before with awesomewm in Xorg but the debian wiki says it's needed for wayland as well | 11:41 |
| vkoskiv | Yeah, just wondering what exactly it does, if it might mess with non-tiling window managers | 11:42 |
| minute | josch: these env vars are good, yes | 11:44 |
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| + MajorBiscuit (~MajorBisc@145.94.137.174) | 12:00 | |
| minute | lxqt has wayland support now? | 13:11 |
| minute | hmm "Preliminary changes have been made to LXQt Session for use under Wayland" | 13:12 |
| minute | https://lxqt-project.org/release/2022/11/05/release-1.2-0/ | 13:12 |
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| - qbit (QUIT: Ping timeout: 264 seconds) (~qbit@h.suah.dev) | 13:56 | |
| + qbit (~qbit@h.suah.dev) | 14:10 | |
| + bgs (~bgs@212-85-160-171.dynamic.telemach.net) | 14:12 | |
| josch | minute: do you happen to remember why /etc/profile.d/reform.sh calls unicode_start? | 15:57 |
| minute | josch: yes, otherwise the MNT logo won't render correctly in the linux console | 15:57 |
| josch | The setup that unicode_start does (like running kbd_mode -u) is already done by the setupcon program during boot. Is there anything that doesn't work without running unicode_start in ~/.profile? | 15:57 |
| minute | huh. | 15:58 |
| minute | i recall that unicode was not working in console by default | 15:58 |
| minute | maybe this is different nowadays? | 15:58 |
| josch | Maybe the console-setup package wasn't installed before sysimage-v3? | 15:59 |
| josch | Let me try out what happens if unicode_start is not part of /etc/profile.d/reform.sh. | 15:59 |
| minute | yep | 16:00 |
| josch | just to confirm, this is how the mnt logo should look like on the terminal (without sway) as well: https://mister-muffin.de/p/wbqO.png | 16:00 |
| minute | josch: yes | 16:02 |
| josch | great, i'll look into it | 16:02 |
| minute | cool! | 16:02 |
| josch | Should we also change the text at the bottom of /etc/motd-rescue? Currently it says: This is the Rescue System on eMMC flash (mmcblk0). It is intended for repairs on your main system on SD card (mmcblk1) or NVMe SSD. | 16:07 |
| - MajorBiscuit (QUIT: Ping timeout: 272 seconds) (~MajorBisc@145.94.137.174) | 16:15 | |
| - qbit (QUIT: Quit: WeeChat 3.7.1) (~qbit@h.suah.dev) | 16:24 | |
| minute | josch: yep. we can just say This is the Rescue System, intended for repairs on your main system. | 16:31 |
| - cwebber (QUIT: Ping timeout: 260 seconds) (~user@user/cwebber) | 16:37 | |
| + qbit (~qbit@h.suah.dev) | 16:45 | |
| + vagrantc (~vagrant@2600:3c01:e000:21:7:77:0:20) | 17:51 | |
| josch | yup, unicode_start is definitely not needed. Even without it, the MNT logo renders correctly. | 18:04 |
| josch | minute: is there a reason the rainbow colors are not shown for the rescue system but only a red bar? | 18:04 |
| josch | i downloaded the rescue image from CI and used motd-full with the rainbow colors instead and they rendered correctly | 18:05 |
| minute | josch: it's on purpose | 18:07 |
| minute | the red bar suggests an emergency | 18:08 |
| minute | ;) | 18:08 |
| josch | ah okay :) | 18:24 |
| josch | i feel reminded of my very first linux (some 12 CD suse linux box) where when you logged in as root, there were bombs with lit fuses all over the desktop wallpaper XD | 18:25 |
| vagrantc | ACTION read unicode_start as unicorn_start with the rainbow on the next line | 18:28 |
| josch | ACTION gets a patch ready replacing unicode_start by unicorn_start in reform-tools | 18:28 |
| + cwebber (~user@user/cwebber) | 18:32 | |
| minute | hehe | 18:46 |
| josch | minute: so I now have a local branch with all the changes we talked about in the last few days ready. I'd also like to add the reform-check utility but i'd need your authoritative input on this question before i can do so: https://community.mnt.re/t/looking-for-testing-and-feedback-for-new-reform-check-utility/1341/17 | 19:25 |
| josch | sheldonmanati | 19:31 |
| minute | nice. i have run it once a few days ago and it found a bunch of weirdness on my setup | 19:32 |
| josch | whoops, copypaste fail | 19:33 |
| vkoskiv | I purchased one of those oddly cheap HDMI capture sticks. Currently testing it by capturing Reform HDMI out | 19:53 |
| vkoskiv | I hadn't seen the initial boot screen with the logo on the top left before. I think my physical monitors are too slow to catch that, they take too long to show the image when they get a signal | 19:53 |
| vkoskiv | Which baffles me. Why do modern monitors still take up to several seconds to display a signal?? | 19:54 |
| vkoskiv | The HDMI output then went away until I was booted up and started sway. | 19:54 |
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| * mark__ -> mjw | 20:00 | |
| + wielaard (~mjw_@2001:1c06:2488:1400:9e5c:8eff:fe8f:a440) | 20:01 | |
| vkoskiv | Reform can output 4K on HDMI, but this 4K capture card only shows max 1080p in OBS | 20:04 |
| vkoskiv | Oh well, par for the course for like 30 euro, I guess :D | 20:05 |
| minute | i have a camlink 4k for this purpose | 20:07 |
| vkoskiv | Yeah. I just wanted something cheap that works, since I don't need one that often. This one works fine for me. | 20:12 |
| vkoskiv | Aha, it's working as intended. It can *capture* 4K@30, but it can output max 1080 | 20:16 |
| vkoskiv | And indeed I saw the Reform's 4K output just fine, only reduced to 1080 | 20:16 |
| vkoskiv | So it *technically* does what it says on the tin. | 20:17 |
| vkoskiv | For the price, this is fine. | 20:17 |
| Boostisbetter | I'm super looking forward to the Reform Camera. It will work on the Reform but also for my Librem 5, and that is saying something. | 20:29 |
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| * Guest8706 -> nsc | 21:32 | |
| minute | Boostisbetter: doesn't the l5 have a built-in camera? | 21:36 |
| minute | vkoskiv: nice | 21:36 |
| Boostisbetter | minute: yeah but it barely works with anything. Despite their efforts. It works to take pictures, but getting it piped into other software is always a struggle. | 21:36 |
| minute | oh, i see | 21:37 |
| minute | glad that i didn't take the direct CSI route. | 21:37 |
| Boostisbetter | minute: but don't think for a minute (no pun intended) that I'm not even more excited about the Pocket Reform. I really am looking forward to that. | 21:37 |
| minute | haha | 21:37 |
| minute | i just ordered new keyboard pcb samples for the pocket reform (some bugfixes and little changes around trackball button positions) | 21:37 |
| Boostisbetter | minute: also I hope I wasn't too pushy on Twitter about your account. I would have understood regardless of your decision. | 21:37 |
| minute | also, the aluminum case part samples are supposed to come tomorrow | 21:37 |
| Boostisbetter | minute: that is GREAT to hear!!! | 21:38 |
| + bkeys (~Thunderbi@157.201.98.1) | 21:40 | |
| Boostisbetter | minute: does that mean that components are pretty much solid and set for production? Like the screen has been selected, etc.? | 21:43 |
| Boostisbetter | minute: I think the Pocket Reform is going to be a wild success. I just see it being super useful. For commuting it is going to be super ideal. | 21:44 |
| Boostisbetter | folks, I'm having a brain fart, but how can I edit kernel parameters? | 21:55 |
| Boostisbetter | I need to add a noacpi flag to it. | 21:55 |
| Boostisbetter | I not the path the file I need to edit | 21:55 |
| - bkeys (QUIT: Ping timeout: 272 seconds) (~Thunderbi@157.201.98.1) | 21:57 | |
| + bkeys (~Thunderbi@157.201.98.1) | 22:00 | |
| josch | Boostisbetter: you mean you want to add the noacpi parameter as a linux boot option to the kernel cmdline? | 22:05 |
| Boostisbetter | yeah I figured it out, /etc/default/grub | 22:05 |
| Boostisbetter | you don't need a comma to add additional things to the line | 22:05 |
| Boostisbetter | just a space right? | 22:05 |
| Boostisbetter | GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash nvme.noacpi=1" | 22:05 |
| Boostisbetter | that is correct right? | 22:06 |
| Boostisbetter | and then what is the command I need to run to bind that? initramfs -all or something? | 22:06 |
| Boostisbetter | or will that just take automatically when I reboot | 22:06 |
| josch | no, the file has nothing to do with the initramfs, the initramfs gets loaded by grub so it comes after that and doesn't contain grub options | 22:07 |
| josch | you want to run update-grub | 22:07 |
| josch | and that command will then rewrite /boot/grub/grub.cfg | 22:07 |
| Boostisbetter | excellent! Thank you Josch | 22:12 |
| - bkeys (QUIT: Ping timeout: 272 seconds) (~Thunderbi@157.201.98.1) | 22:21 | |
| + bkeys (~Thunderbi@static-198-54-135-69.cust.tzulo.com) | 22:28 | |
| minute | quite interesting, xfce4-panel for wayland https://gitlab.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-panel/-/merge_requests/103 | 22:35 |
| minute | Boostisbetter: a lot of parts have been selected, but there's still some polishing work to do. | 22:37 |
| - bgs (QUIT: Remote host closed the connection) (~bgs@212-85-160-171.dynamic.telemach.net) | 22:38 | |
| Boostisbetter | if XFCE moves to Wayland that would be great. | 22:48 |
| Boostisbetter | minute, awesome! Hope that work is going well and not too difficult. | 22:48 |
| * jackhill_ -> jackhill | 23:11 | |
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