| minute | nice, emacs 29 ships with pgtk, i.e. works without xwayland https://blog.phundrak.com/emacs-29-what-can-we-expect/ | 00:03 |
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| josch | minute: I just discovered the wdisplays utility -- would that be a nice fit for the full system image or am I missing another utility that is already installed and is supposed to be used to control monitor resolution and placement in sway? | 07:17 |
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| c-keen[m] | \o/ | 09:02 |
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| minute | josch: wdisplays is cool in theory but it is currently triggering a bunch of etnaviv bugs for some reason (i.e. just the gui of that app) | 09:49 |
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| josch | minute: oh? have you tested this recently? | 12:49 |
| josch | do you remember what you were doing ith wdisplays that triggered the problems? | 12:58 |
| josch | i even see my desktop mirrored in the wdisplays window and it updates as it should | 12:58 |
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| minute | josch: set the window to floating and resize it to below 800px width | 14:23 |
| josch | i tried lots of resizing and i cannot spot any glitches | 14:28 |
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| minute | josch: strange | 18:28 |
| minute | josch: ah, maybe you don't have client side decorations? i.e. does the window have a shadow? | 18:28 |
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| josch | minute: no, there are no shadows | 19:29 |
| josch | is sway supposed to have shadows? | 19:29 |
| minute | no, but gtk3 | 19:29 |
| josch | i just used wdisplays to set up the hdmi projector for my lecture without problems | 19:29 |
| josch | and there is a gtk3 setting that allows shadows and it's turned off by default i guess? | 19:30 |
| minute | it's about client side decorations | 19:31 |
| minute | there's a setting to prefer them vs server side decorations | 19:32 |
| josch | is that setting enabled in the sysimage-v3? because if not, it should be safe to ship wdisplays in the default config | 19:36 |
| minute | probably not! so lets ship it | 19:47 |
| josch | okay, then i'll first try this out locally and if that works fine, add it to the list of packages | 19:52 |
| josch | (locally as in: on a vanilla sysimage-v3) | 20:06 |
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| Boostisbetter | so do we have any keyboard nerds up in here? | 20:14 |
| Boostisbetter | If so what is your keyboard of preference? I keep mixing between a Moonlander mk1 and a UHK v1. | 20:14 |
| Boostisbetter | I have a UHK v2 on order, but I am really really finding the Moonlander to be the ultimate, in terms of comfort. My gripe with it has to do with mouse emulation. | 20:15 |
| Boostisbetter | UHK really has their mouse layer super well established and I love the linear nature of the cursor acceleration. | 20:15 |
| q66 | ibm model m/f | 20:20 |
| q66 | keyboards stopped improving in the 80s | 20:21 |
| Boostisbetter | I know what you mean based on the sheer excellence of the model m, but I think keyboards have improved in ways other than build quality, etc. | 20:23 |
| Boostisbetter | I guess I appreciate having a keyboard take up not quite so much space on the desk. But if space is not a premium I would crave an original M. | 20:24 |
| Boostisbetter | I spent 5 years working with the keyboard that came on the IBM 5155. I loved that thing so much. | 20:24 |
| q66 | i have model f 77-key and model m ssk and i don't feel like they take up too much spcae | 20:24 |
| q66 | and it's not just build quality, the keyfeel is also vastly inferior on pretty much any other switch | 20:25 |
| q66 | most switches nowadays are cherry mx derivatives, which is a by design linear switch, which means that clicky/tactile versions have that just tacked on and the actuation, bump and click are 3 distinct points in time | 20:26 |
| q66 | this is not the case with buckling springs, where the actuation, bump and click are a single event | 20:27 |
| q66 | and that's why cherry-mx type switches will never be as good | 20:27 |
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| q66[m] | ACTION uploaded an image: (283KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/bwdZLYspIbAUbKyoylkRNKzp/IMG_0730.jpeg > | 20:29 |
| Boostisbetter | interesting and good to know. | 20:30 |
| Boostisbetter | So what do you think about Unicomp's offerings? | 20:31 |
| q66 | i only had one unicomp, it was a big full size model m | 20:32 |
| q66 | they're a bit stripped down and they use old equipment which means there are some cosmetic flaws to the cases and keycaps | 20:32 |
| q66 | otherwise pretty good | 20:32 |
| sigrid | I use reform's keyboard, before I used whatever. doesn't seem to make much difference for me in terms of typing | 20:32 |
| q66 | i heard they introduced SSKs some time later, but no idea what that one is like | 20:32 |
| sigrid | a keyboard is a keyboard | 20:32 |
| q66 | i wonder if they use new case molds for that | 20:33 |
| Boostisbetter | regarding Unicomp SSK models: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxT1ja8OWRY | 20:33 |
| Boostisbetter | sigrid: honestly I agree with you. I like keyboards and trying to find one that is incrementally better than the one before, BUT I can use, and do use a standard qwerty domed boards at work and I can type faster on them. | 20:34 |
| Boostisbetter | but I will say that my penchants for keyboards has made it so that I can use just about any standard layout board with very little issue. | 20:35 |
| q66 | i use computers daily and type a lot of stuff so i want the best | 20:35 |
| q66 | besides, it pretty much means i'll never need another keyboard again | 20:35 |
| q66 | these things will outlive me | 20:36 |
| q66 | at least the model f's anyway, which are made of solid zinc :P | 20:37 |
| q66 | and use capacitive sensing instead of membrane | 20:37 |
| q66 | but of course i can type on anything | 20:40 |
| q66 | right now i'm typing on a builtin laptop keyboard in dell xps 13 | 20:40 |
| q66 | it's fine too | 20:40 |
| vkoskiv | I don't have exact repro steps, but pretty consistently if I turn Reform off, and leave it on the charger overnight, the circle key doesn't respond when I try to use it again. | 21:03 |
| vkoskiv | Batteries are fine, I just have to disconnect and connect them, then it works again. | 21:04 |
| vkoskiv | Some sleep state of the keyboard MCU gone awry? | 21:04 |
| vkoskiv | I tried to poke the keyboard reset buttom with a toothpick, nothing happens. | 21:04 |
| vkoskiv | It's currently in this error state, if anyone has debug steps to suggest. | 21:04 |
| vkoskiv | (I also have a UART adapter now that I got my Flipper :D) | 21:04 |
| josch | vkoskiv: are you on the latest firmware versions for mainboard and keyboard? | 21:06 |
| sigrid | doesn't respond while holding it for several seconds? | 21:07 |
| Boostisbetter | yeah exactly. I found that I had to hold the key down for about a second or so before it would wake. | 21:09 |
| vkoskiv | sigrid: Yeah, dead. | 21:32 |
| vkoskiv | I need to check the version, been a month or two since I flashed | 21:32 |
| minute | vkoskiv: do you have an ex-standalone keyboard in the reform perhaps? | 21:39 |
| vkoskiv | No, it's the one that came with it | 21:40 |
| vkoskiv | Though after feeling the nice clicky keyboard in flowy's reform, I will likely get one of those to put in there at some point | 21:40 |
| minute | so it does not have U3 installed, yes? | 21:40 |
| vkoskiv | (I'm aware of the resistor thing I have to do) | 21:40 |
| vkoskiv | The keyboard? | 21:41 |
| minute | yeah | 21:41 |
| minute | also if i remember correctly, first-gen keyboards did not have a pullup on PROG (R16)? | 21:42 |
| vkoskiv | No U3 | 21:42 |
| minute | ok, that's good | 21:42 |
| minute | so, for some people PROG would always be active | 21:42 |
| minute | so if you reset the keyboard, it will enter programming mode | 21:42 |
| minute | or if it has a brownout or sth | 21:42 |
| minute | no matter the setting of the PROG switch | 21:42 |
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| sigrid | vkoskiv: did the keyboard report lpc could not wake up? | 22:04 |
| vkoskiv | I yanked the battery connectors, and it works again. | 22:04 |
| sigrid | or was there absolutely 0 reaction to the circle key? | 22:04 |
| vkoskiv | But before doing that, yeah, 100% dead as far as I can tell | 22:04 |
| sigrid | ok | 22:05 |
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