2022-11-11.log

minutejosch: i'm going to bisect mesa as per the etnaviv devs' request00:20
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joschminute: oh no... nobody has some NXP hardware at home? :(05:39
c-keen[m]I have a couple of dev Boards at work, is there anything I can do to help?06:41
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joschc-keen[m]: well, anybody with a reform can bisect mesa from git so that minute doesn't have to07:28
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minutejosch: no they just never test any desktop setups for some reason12:29
minuteidk why12:29
minutejosch: i was happy to see that there was a patch for xwayland, which was not a priority before (ok, some years ago)12:31
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joschminute: something is happening to source.mnt.re. I just got an email with this content:12:43
joschYour GitLab account has been locked due to an excessive number of unsuccessful sign in attempts. You can wait for your account to automatically unlock in 10 minutes or you can click the link below12:43
joschto unlock now.12:43
minutejosch: yes, i got this too, and buckket too12:44
joschugh :(12:44
minuteperhaps someone is trying to bruteforce logins12:44
joschspeaking of strong passwords...12:47
joschwhat can we do to make sure that sysimage-v3 users lock down their root account after installing their system?12:47
joschfor the future i could finish up https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-system-image/-/merge_requests/43 if you tell me how you want this to look like12:48
minutejosch: yes, i/we definitely want something like what you started, and will give feedback soon12:49
joschkk12:49
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sknebeljosch: can't you have that initial thing that asks for hostname also force setting a password?13:33
joschsknebel: that's what it does13:33
joschsknebel: there: https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-system-image/-/merge_requests/43/diffs#5c3f04f7f25e69e12741081ab2f34cfd181508bb_0_20813:34
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vagrantcnot only are the various mnt/reform firmwares reproducible, but they even cross-build reproducibly ... at least building on arm64/aarch64 for one build, and amd64/x86_64 for the other build ...15:16
c-keen[m]<josch> "what can we do to make sure that..." <- by default put the user in sudoers and disable the root password would be my preferred choice15:43
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vagrantchrm. apparently you don't want to press reset after flashing the keyboard firmware?15:54
vagrantcit only sees the dfu programmer, even after putting the dip switch back15:55
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sigridI found it's possible to keep the keyboard in dfu mode forever16:30
sigridit keeps functioning as a keyboard unless you press reset16:30
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joschc-keen[m]: that's what is done by https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-system-image/-/merge_requests/4316:42
vagrantcmanaged to upgrade the lpc, trackball, and keyboard firmware ... thank you external keyboard.16:55
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+ Boostisbetter (4a410829d7@irc.cheogram.com)17:30
minutemesa main tip works mostly fine with commit c2387e6b3c47e4180484ff11fd089487f20f9d0b reverted (which turns on MSAA which ~is~ broken)17:39
minuteand there are ENV vars to turn of TS buffer sharing if it causes problems. so far i have encountered a few problematic apps 17:40
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BoostisbetterI'm back Again Team Reform! My server just died on me in the night a week ago. Got every restored despite not having a lot of time. Let's hope this time around that things will last! 18:28
minutehuh, glad you sorted it out18:49
Boostisbetterme too. Life without xmpp was pretty rough. 19:02
joschvagrantc: the handbook is not quite clear on when to press reset or putting the dip switches back. Could you clarify those bits? I also was about to flash my keyboard and lpc soon.19:02
BoostisbetterSignal is a good backup and all but I just prefer my own services. 19:02
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vagrantcjosch: the only glitch i got with the keyboard/trackball firmware, was i assumed i needed to reset it afterwards, even though the "dfu-programmer atmega32u4 start" from flash.sh starts the keyboard ...19:22
vagrantcbut i was worried about forgetting to leave the dip switch on19:22
vagrantcjosch: both keyboard and trackball need to be done from the booted system ... and i did the lpc firmware with the system not booted (though *maybe* it would work if it were booted?)19:23
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sigridI doubt that'd work unless LPC is kept in the same exact state wrt power rails etc19:25
vagrantcspelling this out in the manual wouldn't hurt one bit, i just only know my experience, not how it is supposed to work19:26
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joschi'm thinking about moving some of my key mappings around a bit more because i find myself missing keys like DEL, POS1, END, PRINTSCREEN or INSERT. To make room for more keys, the HYPER key (aka KEY_RIGHTMETA) and the F-keys seem never used. What are you guys using the HYPER key and the F-keys for in your daily work?20:24
joschmaybe F5 is useful for browsers but hitting ctrl+r is not much worse20:24
minutei use the f keys basically only for user defined shortcuts yeah20:25
minute(in emacs)20:25
kfxjosch: what key is just to the right of the left-side Shift key if not Del20:25
minuteon neo2, there is no del there20:26
kfx(I haven't looked at non-us key layouts)20:26
joschkfx: somehow minute remembered that i'm running the neo2 layout so there is no DEL by default :D20:27
sigridjosch: https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform/-/blob/master/reform2-keyboard-fw/matrix.h#L2320:28
sigridthese are the ones I use20:28
sigridthose are also neatly documented in http://man.9front.org/1/reform20:30
joschthanks! i was thinking that if i basically never use the F-keys i can just turn direct presses into display brightness up/down or volume up/down20:31
minuteyeah, one could do it mac style, media keys as default and function keys if you combine with hyper20:32
joschreading the matrix.h file i realize that apparently pressing hyper+circle is a thing!20:32
sigridthat's what hyper+circle does20:32
sigridit toggles hyper mode20:32
Boostisbetterbut what exactly is hyper mode and what does it enable or do? 20:36
sigridit makes it work as if you had hyper pressed at all times20:38
sigridthe great part about it is since the code is there one has the full freedom to change their fw however they want20:39
mtmis there any reason that the ULX4M FPGA module wouldn't work with the CM4 SoM adapter on the Reform? It would bu really cool to have multiple FPGA boards (RKX7, ULX4M) working with the Reform! more info here: https://www.crowdsupply.com/intergalaktik/ulx4m20:44
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