2022-09-22.log

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q66btw, i'd like to offer official out-of-box reform images in my distribution, but without the hardware i will need somebody to provide information on the packaging (stuff like bootloader and media layout and so on) as well as volunteer for testing17:36
q66if somebody would like, feel free to ping me17:37
joschq66: what is "your distribution"?17:39
q66josch: https://chimera-linux.org/17:40
joschah linux+musl+bsd nice17:41
q66i recently added proper support for aarch64, and currently have images for rpi3+4 and pine64's pinebook pro, and generic aarch64 EFI support17:42
q66i would like to expand that coverage17:42
q66with some more high profile devices17:42
q66i've yet to test the aarch64 EFI stuff though :p17:43
q66i added it while on a trip and haven't yet tested it on my honeycomb lx2k17:43
joschfor EFI you need to rebuild our u-boot branch to get efi via distro_bootcmd17:43
q66well i figure for reform it would be using u-boot directly17:43
q66just like on pbp and so on17:43
q66so we'd need a package like u-boot-reform, and then set up the media with the correct layout (other NXP boards i worked with just had their u-boot image at offset 1024 iirc, i guess it's probably similar here)17:44
joschyes, the offset is 33 1k blocks17:45
q66the EFI ISOs are largely aimed at devices that are capable of native EDK2 with ACPI and vanilla kernel17:47
q66the honeycomb lx2k can for instance17:47
minuteq66: cool project!17:48
minuteq66: i will def. test your image17:48
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vkoskivq66: Happy to help with testing18:48
vkoskivAlthough I don't have a proper adaptor cable for my jtag yet, so might not be of much use if it just comes up with a blank screen at boot :D18:49
vkoskivI do actually have a jtag USB adaptor box, but I need to wire up a cable that fits the connector on Reform.18:51
minutevkoskiv: i think a UART adapter will be more useful18:52
q66no graphical u-boot? :)18:52
q66i recently made a serial cable for my PBP, just to realize it's usually largely useless18:52
q66well i guess with jtag you can debug stuff when the u-boot itself is bad18:53
minuteq66: nope, we're missing a tiny bit of working lcdif/dcss->mipi-dsi->sn65dsi86 code for graphical u-boot18:55
q66i guess for proper support I'd need a u-boot and kernel package for each SOM option19:04
q66for now starting with the imx8 should be enough 19:04
q66the other main one is ls1028a, right 19:04
vkoskivYeah, that's the one.19:05
q66i assume mainline kernel doesn't fully work on either of those yet 19:06
minuteit is imx8mq btw19:07
q66right 19:08
sigridwhoever has time and will to make u-boot graphical is encouraged to reuse http://git.9front.org/plan9front/plan9front/f466d4a75b8027f195c79e67d898c0da23811f47/sys/src/9/imx8/lcd.c/f.html19:08
vkoskivsigrid: Am I correct in thinking that if I flash that 9front image onto an SD card and boot, u-boot will actually show up on the internal screen?19:09
q66i think that's just the OS driver 19:10
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sigridvkoskiv: no. 9front is an OS19:11
sigridthe code is MIT and is easier to follow than what linux has19:11
vkoskivAh, I thought the 9front image had this fix applied in the bootloader already19:12
vkoskivAnd yeah, I meant that I've been wanting to try out 9front anyway, was wondering if it just happens to have fully working u-boot as well19:13
minutevkoskiv: it boots of the same fork of u-boot as linux19:14
minuteoff19:14
vkoskivThat 9front-derived setup code would go somewhere in u-boot, then, to make it display on Reform19:40
q66potential downside is having to deal with 9front developers :P19:53
sigridwhere's that coming from19:54
sigridyou're talking to one rn19:54
q66well considering y'all are hosted on cat-v20:11
q66and cat-v is full of edgy libertarian nonsense like http://harmful.cat-v.org/society/20:11
q66it does not particularly make me want to interact with those kinda communities20:12
q66nice memes http://9front.org/coc20:13
sigridcat-v is a website of a dead person20:28
sigridand tbh none of the 9front developers do anything with 9front.org website20:28
sigrida lot of things taken out of context might make you feel like 9front devs are edgy teenagers which is, I can say for sure, isn't true20:29
bkeysminute: Got my reform back from PSI repair today; and indeed the display still doesn't turn on20:35
joschoh drats :(20:38
q66sigrid: except it influences a sizeable part of your community20:40
sigridq66: and since you mentioned coc specifically, I no longer have any recollection of why it was made in the first place, but can assure you it did not have the reason of "white mysogynistic men against coc" or what that might be20:40
sigridI've been a developer since 2012(?), am a leftist pansexual transgender nb woman and feel welcome20:41
q66that's irrelevant, i still come across terrible people who identify with this stuff20:42
q66openbsd has the same problem20:43
q66have you considered getting somebody to update the website to stop giving people a wrong idea20:43
sigridis it only about coc?20:43
q66not really20:43
q66i don't care about coc20:43
q66i don't even really consider them necessary20:44
sigridI would think that the frontpage gives a good idea of the community with its banners at the bottom and the favicon?20:44
q66but when i see somebody smugly meming around it i can be 95% sure they're probably a shitter20:44
q66*about20:44
q66anyway, just my 2c20:45
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minuteq66: i try to keep this place reasonably non-toxic.21:22
minutebut now i have to play some more return to monkey island on reform (via a paperspace windows cloud machine streamed to chromium)21:25
vkoskivYou better return to playing monkey island21:25
vkoskivI have that trout ready21:25
vkoskiv:)21:25
minutehaha yes i'm already offfff21:25
minute:D21:25
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kfxq66: I know the person who runs that website, feel free to /msg me suggestions and I'll pass them on21:32
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vkoskivjosch: I suspect some reform-related utility script has an oopsie somewhere. I get lots of 'stray \ before /' type warnings when updating packages22:37
joschvkoskiv: yes: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=101972422:38
vkoskivBeing sorted then, I see! :D22:43

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