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| Boostisbetter | minute: when the Reform crashes upon resuming from standby, what is the preferred method for restarting? Should we let the system crash and then just immediately do a circle 1, or should we be doing a circle 0, waiting and then doing a circle 1? | 14:43 |
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| Boostisbetter | minute: Also i wanted to tell you that when setting Pavu's profile to JUST stereo output, the speaker starts working again. Full stereo. | 15:02 |
| minute | Boostisbetter: aha!! | 15:37 |
| Kooda | Boostisbetter: doesn’t do it for me :/ | 15:38 |
| Boostisbetter | minute: one caveat is that even the left speaker is working again, it is not producing as loud of sound as the right. | 15:40 |
| minute | huh | 15:40 |
| Boostisbetter | minute: think I figured it out. When I push on the lid, the speaker was cutting in and out. I think I need to check the connection. | 15:41 |
| Kooda | I should open my Reform and check ^^' | 15:42 |
| minute | Boostisbetter: ooh ok | 15:43 |
| + bkeys (~Thunderbi@static-198-54-135-69.cust.tzulo.com) | 15:43 | |
| Boostisbetter | minute: just opened the lid. The white wire was not soldered. It must have come undone. I resoldered it, and now full speaker volume is back. | 15:54 |
| Boostisbetter | I tried to make solder joint a bit more robust as the wire is right next to the hinge and the opening and closing of the lid must have worn it down. | 15:55 |
| Boostisbetter | minute: no what about the preferred method of restarting the Reform after a crash? Just do a circle 1, or should we always do a circle 0 first? | 15:56 |
| minute | Boostisbetter: i think circle 1 powers off and then on again anyway | 16:00 |
| minute | Boostisbetter: wow @ the white cable. thanks for the info | 16:00 |
| minute | sounds like this needs better strain relief | 16:00 |
| Boostisbetter | minute: good I think that might help to avoid the lpc glitch. | 16:00 |
| + mtm (~mtm@c-73-27-62-116.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) | 16:10 | |
| Kooda | White cable is also fully undone on mine, damn | 16:10 |
| Kooda | It looks very short so opening and closing the lid must put too much stress on it | 16:10 |
| Kooda | Blue one also has some wear marks | 16:11 |
| minute | Kooda: sorry for that, will feedback it here | 16:26 |
| Kooda | No worries :) | 16:30 |
| Kooda | I suspect I have a cold solder join on one of my usb ports as well (I posted about it in the forums a while ago) I’ll check now since everything is open ^^ | 16:31 |
| josch | i want to add a socket for the TX/RX and GND of the reform's serial line to my side panel -- is there any convention of what socket/plug to use for a serial connecton on the outside of a PC? it just needs 3 wires so D-sub for example is way too large | 16:44 |
| minute | josch: headphone jack? | 16:48 |
| josch | hah, that's a funny option :D | 16:49 |
| minute | i think there are panel mountable ones | 16:49 |
| minute | the socket has a thread and a big nut that you fix on the outside | 16:50 |
| minute | also easy to make a hole for (just drill) | 16:52 |
| josch | and there are also 2.5 mm sockets, so the hole can be even smaller and it will definitely fit into the tiny space between motherboard and batteries | 17:00 |
| josch | (and i cannot accidentally plug my headphones in either) | 17:01 |
| minute | neat | 17:05 |
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| khm | cinap_lenrek: time to show off your reform serial port | 18:13 |
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| Boostisbetter | Kooda: just for your information, soldering the white wire back on wasn't too difficult. If you have a soldering iron and some time, you can fix it pretty easily. | 18:33 |
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| ckeen | hi! my trackball suddenly stopped working. Has this happened to you before? The buttons work just fine, the pointer isn't moved when I move the ball... | 20:58 |
| minute | ckeen: does the trackball have brown or white (clicky) switches? | 21:03 |
| minute | ckeen: the most common cause is loose sensor (flat) cable | 21:04 |
| ckeen | brown switches | 21:10 |
| ckeen | I will check the cable! | 21:10 |
| Boostisbetter | ckeen: also remove the ball and make sure lint or other debris is not on top of the trackball sensor. I had that happen once. | 21:11 |
| Boostisbetter | you have to remove the left and right mouse button keycaps, and then undo 2 screws, but then you can remove the ball and see if there is debris or anything else in the tray. Usually if it was working fine, and just started having problems, that is the most common reason. | 21:12 |
| minute | oh yep, that's probably it | 21:15 |
| ckeen | ewww, oh yeah. duh. | 21:16 |
| ckeen | that was it | 21:16 |
| josch | vagrantc: seems d-i fails to detect ethernet on the reform: http://paste.debian.net/1251781/ | 21:19 |
| josch | i manually selected "fec" to no avail | 21:19 |
| josch | the module is also loaded successfully | 21:19 |
| ckeen | thank you all | 21:20 |
| josch | vagrantc: but while a normal boot at some point says "fec 30be0000.ethernet eth0: registered PHC device 0" there is no such message when the d-i kernel starts (i'm using the latest daily build of d-i) | 21:21 |
| vagrantc | josch: probably some missing regulator module | 21:21 |
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| vagrantc | josch: or some other module pseudo-dependency | 21:22 |
| vagrantc | josch: this is a common problem in debian-installer ... | 21:23 |
| josch | yay | 21:23 |
| vagrantc | josch: have you booted a regular system with the same kernel? | 21:23 |
| josch | vagrantc: nope, not yet | 21:23 |
| vagrantc | if it works there, it's probably just a game of debian-installer kernel module whack-a-mole | 21:24 |
| josch | hah | 21:24 |
| josch | thanks, i'll investigate that | 21:24 |
| josch | on a regular system, 136 modules are loaded -- in d-i only 42 modules are loaded... lots of whacking ahead... | 21:24 |
| vagrantc | i also have a workaround to test that https://salsa.debian.org/vagrant/cat-herding-development-boards/-/blob/latest/Cat-Herding_Development_Boards.org under "debian-installer: my favorite workaround" | 21:25 |
| vagrantc | where you basically append all the modules to the initrd ... | 21:25 |
| josch | vagrantc: looks like i'll be doing that now -- thank you! it's great to have the expert available :) | 21:26 |
| vagrantc | hah | 21:26 |
| josch | oh wow... i have good news and bad news: | 21:42 |
| josch | good news: the internal display *does* come on now | 21:42 |
| vagrantc | yay! | 21:42 |
| josch | the bad news: i got a kernel panic once it tried detecting the network hardware: http://paste.debian.net/1251782/ | 21:42 |
| chartreuse | Is there any harm operating the reform without any batteries installed? Would like to use mine again until I find a source for some new ones | 21:43 |
| josch | this might somehow be connected: the display only came on at the step where it tries detecting the network hardware | 21:43 |
| vagrantc | josch: that's with all the modules appended to the initrd? | 21:43 |
| josch | vagrantc: yes | 21:43 |
| josch | i'm going to try the vanilla debian kernel without d-i next | 21:45 |
| vagrantc | sometimes there are weird ordering issues ... e.g. if you load one module before the other vs. the other way around ... but those are ugly bugs | 21:45 |
| josch | i wonder what d-i is doing which results in the internal display only coming on once d-i tries to find network interfaces | 21:47 |
| chartreuse | Oh nice just saw the render of the crowdsupply. Likely won't be able to prefund this one, but hopefully will have a job again in not too long and be able to get it | 22:09 |
| chartreuse | Looks great | 22:09 |
| minute | chartreuse: reform works fine without the batteries | 22:09 |
| minute | chartreuse: and thanks! | 22:09 |
| khm | to clear the sensor you don't have to remove the ball, you can just loosen the sensor from under the cup and blow some air on it and tighten in back down | 22:09 |
| vkoskiv_ | Update: suspend seems rock-solid for me. Haven't had it fail yet. | 22:10 |
| minute | vkoskiv_: great | 22:10 |
| chartreuse | Good to know, just was making sure it won't damage anything running it extended like that | 22:10 |
| minute | josch: panic in SAI driver, we had that before, no | 22:11 |
| minute | luckily you don't need sound in the installer ^^ | 22:11 |
| josch | yeah, after testing a regular system image with the vanilla debian kernel, i'll test d-i without the snd_soc_fsl_sai module | 22:15 |
| josch | vkoskiv_: is your system upgraded from before sysimage-v3 or did you start with sysimage-v3? | 22:16 |
| vkoskiv_ | I started with v3 | 22:19 |
| + mechs (~mechs@190.218.136.138) | 22:23 | |
| josch | kernel NULL pointer dereference in imx_sdma... | 22:26 |
| josch | yup, same panic without d-i, just using the vanilla debian kernel | 22:35 |
| josch | so the patches we carry are still necessary it seems | 22:35 |
| josch | vagrantc: I didn't figure out how to let u-boot look into a freescale subdirectory inside $fdtdir to look for imx8mq-mnt-reform2.dtb so instead I just set $fdtfile to "freescale/imx8mq-mnt-reform2.dtb" -- is that okay? https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-boundary-uboot/-/merge_requests/10 | 22:48 |
| Kooda | Boostisbetter: yep yep I fixed it no problem :) | 22:57 |
| Boostisbetter | great to hear! | 23:07 |
| Kooda | Haven’t found the source of the issue about my USB port though :( | 23:08 |
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| Boostisbetter | yeah that is a bummer, hopefully it turns up sooner or later. | 23:32 |
| Boostisbetter | I don't even know if my USB ports work, as I think I've only ever used 1 of them. | 23:32 |
| Boostisbetter | I have always liked how well outfitted the mainboard is on the Reform though. | 23:33 |
| Boostisbetter | I have a Framework laptop, which I'm also a big fan of, and even though it has reconfigurable ports, I feel like it just makes more sense to just have as many ports as you can all the time, like the Reform does it. | 23:34 |
| Kooda | I’ve used the port that failed *a lot*, that might be why ^^' | 23:36 |
| Boostisbetter | then it sounds like it is a soldering issue, but that is going to be more difficult than a speaker cable. | 23:36 |
| Kooda | I checked the soldering and it seems fine | 23:36 |
| Kooda | But yeah it’s definitely a hardware issue | 23:37 |
| Kooda | Maybe I should have reflowed the pins anyways just to test | 23:37 |
| Boostisbetter | my guess is a reflow gets it good again. | 23:38 |
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