| vkoskiv_ | How have you all bound the 'systemctl suspend' command in sway? | 00:09 |
|---|---|---|
| minute | super+f12 | 00:10 |
| minute | quite arbitrarily | 00:10 |
| vkoskiv_ | That seems reasonable. | 00:10 |
| vkoskiv_ | Near the circle key feels logical | 00:11 |
| vkoskiv_ | Shows ~109mA current draw while suspended, so with ~12.8Ah, that would theoretically be 117 hours of suspend before the batteries run to 0? | 00:23 |
| vkoskiv_ | Is my math correct? | 00:23 |
| vkoskiv_ | Not planning on testing that until I have battery protection in there, of course :D | 00:23 |
| vkoskiv_ | But makes me feel pretty safe to use the suspend in daily usage and not have to worry about the thing running low too soon. | 00:24 |
| minute | vkoskiv_: the math is not correct, sorry. | 00:31 |
| minute | vkoskiv_: you only have 1.8Ah at the combined voltage | 00:32 |
| minute | vkoskiv_: so it's more like 10-16 hours | 00:33 |
| sigrid | 109mA sounds like ⅓ of the usual idle consumption, at the very least | 00:33 |
| sigrid | ⅓-½ | 00:33 |
| minute | yes, that's about right | 00:34 |
| minute | i think deeper sleep is possible with more research | 00:34 |
| minute | if i'm not mistaken 1 core stays online | 00:34 |
| sigrid | oh... | 00:34 |
| sigrid | I thought that *was* deep sleep and was surprised it drew this much | 00:34 |
| minute | there's some erratum also that i don't 100% understand yet | 00:35 |
| sigrid | is it available in the giant ref manual pdf? | 00:35 |
| minute | https://www.nxp.com/docs/en/errata/IMX8MDQLQ_1N14W.pdf | 00:36 |
| minute | https://www.nxp.com/docs/en/errata/IMX8MDQLQ_2N14W.pdf | 00:36 |
| sigrid | ohhhh this is very useful, thanks | 00:36 |
| minute | (we have AA chips so i think we have only 1N14W in the field) | 00:37 |
| sigrid | 9front currently runs really well for cinap_lenrek, but for me it sometimes doesn't tick the arm clock on core 0 after cold boot | 00:37 |
| sigrid | maybe those docs have something related, I will check | 00:37 |
| minute | > e11171: CA53: Cannot support single-core runtime wakeup | 00:38 |
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| - S0rin (QUIT: Ping timeout: 248 seconds) (~S0rin@user/s0rin) | 00:39 | |
| sigrid | I wonder if m4 waking up main cores would be possible | 00:39 |
| minute | > USB: Clock must remain on during suspend/resume | 00:40 |
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| sigrid | :( | 00:40 |
| vkoskiv_ | Now it's showing 0mA draw when in suspend | 00:47 |
| vkoskiv_ | And yeah, generally in use it's ~300ish mA. | 00:48 |
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| Asmadeus | minute: bit late, but: `git tag --contains eb893e34309ce2153003f3f2a13cdbfdea939e00` -- it got in 5.18 | 02:53 |
| Asmadeus | (ah someone else suggested something with git describe and I missed it when looking if there had been a reply, sorry for the noise) | 02:56 |
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| cinap_lenrek | sigrid → 9front currently runs really well for cinap_lenrek, but for me it sometimes doesn't tick the arm clock on core 0 after cold boot | 10:41 |
| cinap_lenrek | sigrid: i suggested putting some checks to make sure we dont program 0 or negative value for the timer period | 10:42 |
| cinap_lenrek | it might be a issue on our side | 10:42 |
| cinap_lenrek | but we didnt continue debugging | 10:42 |
| cinap_lenrek | sigrid: it is likely, give that it appears to FIX itself with /dev/reboot? | 10:45 |
| cinap_lenrek | at least we KNOW the arm timer is running, otherwise you wont see the cpu clock measurements | 10:45 |
| cinap_lenrek | thats done sampling the arm timer counters | 10:45 |
| cinap_lenrek | eigther that, or even some issue in the GIC code | 10:46 |
| cinap_lenrek | like doing GIC init twice fixes it somehow | 10:46 |
| sigrid | i will check it later today | 10:53 |
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| cinap_lenrek | sigrid: yeah, not going to push you, just saying theres a chance that these issues are our own fault :) | 11:15 |
| cinap_lenrek | sigrid: not to blame NXP for it | 11:15 |
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| + spiral (~root@spiral.sh) | 14:10 | |
| spiral | hey, I'm trying to build MNT keyboard firmware but I get an error related to `display` being defined multiple times https://paste.sr.ht/blob/cdc794827c988fc45cafb065b2992fa45c8deff3 | 14:12 |
| spiral | I just git cloned from repo, set the standalone keyboard compile flag, and typed `make`, am I missing anything? | 14:17 |
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| Boostisbetter | minute: are you going to give us a heads up here before the crowdsupply campaign goes live? | 16:16 |
| minute | Boostisbetter: sure | 16:16 |
| Boostisbetter | also for everyone else, if my left speaker on the Reform doesn't seem to be working, what is the quickest way to check that it is properly connected? Do I need to remove the display housing? | 16:17 |
| Kooda | Fun, I have the same issue! | 16:20 |
| minute | huh | 16:20 |
| Kooda | (I need to take a look at the various hardware problems I have… but it’s not easy since it’s my main computer ^^') | 16:20 |
| minute | maybe it's set to mono? | 16:20 |
| minute | Boostisbetter: does pavucontrol show 2 channels? | 16:21 |
| Boostisbetter | minute: yes it shows 2 channels. But how do I check if it is mono? | 16:21 |
| minute | sorry, i don't know at the moment, but it sounds like a software/configuration issue. maybe happened through the upgrade? it's unlikely that suddenly something is wrong with the speaker | 16:22 |
| minute | i'm in the middle of something, will get back to you later | 16:22 |
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| Boostisbetter | Thanks! Since I'm riding the Sid wave that is most likely along those lines. | 16:35 |
| + bkeys (~Thunderbi@static-198-54-135-69.cust.tzulo.com) | 16:39 | |
| Kooda | Boostisbetter: both channels work fine in the headphones output for me. Is it the case for you as well? | 16:41 |
| minute | Kooda: do all the knobs and sliders in alsamixer look ok? | 16:46 |
| minute | (F6 -> wm8960) | 16:47 |
| + oomono (uid328183@id-328183.tinside.irccloud.com) | 16:48 | |
| Kooda | minute: yeah they do | 16:49 |
| sigrid | 03:38 < sl> seems like only the right speaker is working | 16:49 |
| sigrid | same issue was reported in another channel | 16:49 |
| Kooda | minute: i’ve been fiddling with them just now without success | 16:49 |
| sigrid | sl is running 9front, btw | 16:50 |
| Boostisbetter | Kooda: yes headphones work great | 16:50 |
| Boostisbetter | sigrid: yep right speaker is the only one working. | 16:50 |
| + qwer (~qwer@78-80-114-37.customers.tmcz.cz) | 16:52 | |
| minute | huh | 16:56 |
| Boostisbetter | minute: I don't know, I just all of a sudden noticed that my right speaker was the only speaker producing sound. I've checked in alsamixer and I don't see anything there that has the single unbalanced or mono activated. I'm going to poke around some more and see if I can figure it out | 16:58 |
| minute | hmm | 17:00 |
| Kooda | yeah kind of same for me, it was working until it didn’t | 17:00 |
| Boostisbetter | looking in alsamixer I am seeing nothing that would have it defaulting to mono output, infact all the mono output options are disabled. | 17:02 |
| Boostisbetter | but I also can't say for how long it has been like this, but I do think an update did the damage. | 17:02 |
| minute | Boostisbetter: the profile in the last tab is still set to MNT Reform, yes? | 17:08 |
| Boostisbetter | minute: of pavu? | 17:09 |
| minute | Boostisbetter: yup | 17:12 |
| Boostisbetter | minute: just a second. Reform crashed while resuming and the lpc is on the Fritz again. Should be up again in a minute. | 17:13 |
| minute | eek | 17:13 |
| Kooda | What do you mean by profile? | 17:13 |
| Kooda | Ah nevermind | 17:14 |
| Kooda | Mine shows: “Stereo Output + Stereo Input” | 17:14 |
| minute | ok, normally it should show "MNT Reform" | 17:14 |
| Kooda | On device “built-in audio” | 17:15 |
| Kooda | That doesn’t appear on the list hm | 17:15 |
| minute | but stereo should work too, just the microphone will be problematic | 17:15 |
| Boostisbetter | yeah same issue here. No longer have the MNT profile. | 17:19 |
| Boostisbetter | stereo output does not work through speaker | 17:19 |
| Boostisbetter | but stereo is working through headphones. | 17:19 |
| smj | Are the new reforms shipping with the metal side IO plates? | 17:19 |
| minute | smj: yes | 17:22 |
| smj | ahh, Ok, I ordered a set with a case last month but I just broke one on another unit :( | 17:23 |
| smj | it doesn't look like crowdsupply is carrying them yet. | 17:24 |
| sknebel | hah, just remembered I still need to order an SSD for my reform so I have it at hand once it arrives. did that, and seconds later the shipping notification from MNT arrived too :D | 17:37 |
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| + qwer (~qwer@78-80-114-37.customers.tmcz.cz) | 18:00 | |
| lastebil | Hmm, the sysimage-v3-20220624 link (and rescue image) seem to have dissappeared, is there an archive (or somewhere else to get these? I'm mainly interested in the rescue image.) | 18:05 |
| smj | I noticed that as well, but I was able to find this | 18:06 |
| smj | https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-system-image/-/jobs/868/artifacts/browse/reform2-imx8mq/ | 18:06 |
| smj | does that get you there? | 18:06 |
| smj | 40 euros for shipping steel port covers :) | 18:08 |
| lastebil | that does work, yes. Thanks! | 18:09 |
| lastebil | - a link that I found earlier to a very similar looking directory did not, but at least now I see how to navigate to 'artifact' files from the build system. | 18:10 |
| smj | Yeah, thats where I landed first, but with some digging and help from khm in #cat-v we found that. | 18:11 |
| smj | which looks to be newer anyway | 18:11 |
| lastebil | cool. I am actually (finally) trying to get my void setup working on it, and the void image in the forums is rather ill-fitted to working from an sd card, so (: | 18:11 |
| smj | the SD card is pretty slow, if you can get an SSD it will be a big improvment. | 18:12 |
| Kooda | minute: forced the Reform pulseaudio profile, didn’t fix the issue :( | 18:12 |
| lastebil | have you tried 720k floppies? (: | 18:12 |
| Kooda | I wonder if it could be related to Pipewire | 18:12 |
| lastebil | (I do believe mine has an ssd, if not, I have one, so.) | 18:13 |
| smj | no floppy drive here. | 18:13 |
| sigrid | I don't think left speaker not working is a software issue | 18:28 |
| sigrid | I would bet on some wire getting broken | 18:28 |
| smj | sigrid, what is up with the left speaker connection? :) | 18:31 |
| kfx | smj: I can send you a pair of aluminum plates | 18:40 |
| smj | kfx, are you in the USA? I was thinking of trying a group buy if this is something crowd source won't carry | 18:43 |
| smj | that is very generous of you, but I'd be happy to pay for them. | 18:43 |
| minute | smj: we can send the covers in a letter as well; if you order and then contact support, we'll refund part of the shipping cost | 18:51 |
| minute | but yeah those aluminum ones are spiffy too i guess! | 18:51 |
| smj | its good that the new builds just shipped out have the metal plates now. | 18:52 |
| kfx | maybe this will clear things up | 18:54 |
| * kfx -> khm | 18:54 | |
| smj | oh yes that works better khm | 18:54 |
| khm | smj: I have spare aluminum plates out here in Richland... | 18:54 |
| smj | nice | 18:55 |
| smj | are you coming to Seattle this weekend? | 18:55 |
| smj | we could have 3 MNT reforms running plan9 then | 18:55 |
| smj | khm let me know where to send $$ | 18:59 |
| lastebil | where was the plan9 image again? | 19:03 |
| minute | https://felloff.net/usr/cinap_lenrek/9front-reform.torrent | 19:04 |
| smj | also at 9front.org/iso we're happy to help and also there are some video demos and a bootcamp for new users. | 19:04 |
| smj | (free) bootcamp | 19:04 |
| lastebil | saw some of this when, I believe, sigrid posted about the uxn (or maybe it was the synth that 100rabbits have) and then ensuing conversation between lenoire and others about it | 19:06 |
| smj | lastbil https://toobnix.org/w/axWU2PbZp5jM8GYsaAYMMz this is a dual live stream from the MNT reform to both twitch and peertube under Plan9 using sigrid's rtmp and other utilities | 19:08 |
| smj | its geared for new users to Plan9 | 19:08 |
| lastebil | cool. I have _seen_ it and read the concepts, but have not installed or used, so yes, that is likely where I start (: | 19:09 |
| smj | right now we do not have wifi support, but if you can use wired ethernet (or a wired ethernet to wifi dongle) you can get it on the network | 19:10 |
| lastebil | I have wired, so no issues | 19:13 |
| smj | great, when you boot the first time just take the defaults and you should get into the rio windowing system. Type 'ip/ipconfig' in a window and you should dhcp from your network. | 19:14 |
| smj | the img out there doesn't have brightness or sound support yet, its still being worked on, but you can sysupdate to get those. | 19:19 |
| smj | right now I think sigrid and cinap are working on sleep/wake | 19:19 |
| sigrid | no | 19:19 |
| smj | yes | 19:19 |
| smj | do it | 19:19 |
| sigrid | no sleep, no wake. full steam ahead only | 19:20 |
| smj | sleep 3 cores, save one for watchdog | 19:20 |
| smj | wake others when the user arrives. | 19:20 |
| sigrid | I want to write an spi driver to talk to lpc and get power stats | 19:23 |
| sigrid | but I think sdma is more important | 19:23 |
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| smj | sigrid, if you're curious, I have one reform that runs 52c and another than runs 67c :) | 20:03 |
| smj | both are running the same kernel | 20:03 |
| sigrid | :/ | 20:11 |
| sigrid | wtf | 20:11 |
| minute | could be differences in thermal paste application + screw tightness on the heatsink | 20:11 |
| smj | I think so | 20:11 |
| smj | thats my thought too, just poor coupling. | 20:11 |
| smj | but that explains my 67c anomoly :) | 20:12 |
| smj | I can fix :) | 20:12 |
| sigrid | I should fix mine too then | 20:13 |
| sigrid | could not remember what the temperature was before I switched over to nvme boot | 20:13 |
| smj | thermal paste rule: thin coating :) | 20:13 |
| smj | its not sour cream on a quesadilla | 20:13 |
| sigrid | minute: btw in 9front I made jack detect work properly and its status readable from userspace | 20:15 |
| sigrid | so it should be doable in linux too | 20:15 |
| minute | sigrid: oh very nice | 20:16 |
| minute | at the moment i have to port OLED code over to RP2040 | 20:16 |
| minute | yawn | 20:16 |
| sigrid | rp2040 chips more available? | 20:17 |
| minute | yes, aplenty | 20:17 |
| minute | also, quite a lot more bang for the buck, dualcore, nice C api etc | 20:17 |
| sigrid | is it cheaper? | 20:17 |
| minute | yes | 20:18 |
| sigrid | nice | 20:18 |
| minute | it costs around 1 eur | 20:18 |
| smj | those will be in the pocket reform too? | 20:18 |
| minute | yes, 2 of them | 20:19 |
| smj | oh two :) | 20:19 |
| smj | nice | 20:19 |
| minute | 1 on the motherboard (as system controller), one in the HID (keyboard/trackball hybrid) | 20:19 |
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| smj | sigrid catclock oled | 20:19 |
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| minute | jacqueline already did bongo cat oled | 20:20 |
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| chartreuse | Wonder how low of power it can do (RP2040) probably better than the atmega, just a different method | 22:48 |
| chartreuse | Though with improvements in the battery design it should be less a worry | 22:48 |
| chartreuse | Though speaking of which I don't suppose anyone has a couple JGNE 1800 cells laying around? | 22:49 |
| chartreuse | Or knows a good/cheap LiFePO4 supplier that ships to Canada | 22:49 |
| minute | oh, canada | 22:51 |
| chartreuse | my home and native land | 22:52 |
| minute | btw i have new battery board assembled, but mosfets might be mismatched to the ICs :/ got only 2V out of the cells instead of 3.2 | 22:52 |
| chartreuse | Weird | 22:52 |
| chartreuse | That's a lot of wasted heat, so you'd likely be able to see/feel where the drop is occuring | 22:52 |
| minute | chartreuse: i think the mosfet is not opening fully | 22:53 |
| minute | chartreuse: the ic outputs like 0.7V on the gate | 22:53 |
| minute | chartreuse: i use one of these https://www.n-redc.co.jp/en/pdf/datasheet/r5617-ea.pdf | 22:53 |
| minute | and PMV50ENEAR for the mosfets | 22:55 |
| minute | normally it should output VDD | 22:57 |
| chartreuse | Could you maybe use a pull up/down resistor on the gate pin to get a bit extra voltage? | 22:57 |
| chartreuse | Shgould still be able to feel the heat in the mosfets while driving current since you've got a voltage drop in them | 22:58 |
| - qwer (QUIT: Ping timeout: 268 seconds) (~qwer@78-80-114-37.customers.tmcz.cz) | 22:59 | |
| chartreuse | Says the output voltage for the mosfets should be VDD-30 to VDD+0.3 and Vss-0.3 to VDD+0.3 on the second. So it should be able to put up to the input voltage to the chip out. And presumably VDD is from the battery | 23:00 |
| + qwer (~qwer@78-80-27-180.customers.tmcz.cz) | 23:00 | |
| chartreuse | Perhaps the 330 ohms RVDD resistor is too high and the chip isn't running high enough? | 23:00 |
| chartreuse | Or if you disconnect the mosfets does it then drive them strong enough? | 23:01 |
| chartreuse | The mosfets really shouldn't be drawing any power on that pin to cause it to sag | 23:01 |
| minute | yeah it's strange... the 330 ohms seem high to me also | 23:14 |
| minute | i will check this tomorrow in the lab, thanks for taking a look | 23:15 |
| chartreuse | Seems like there's no minimum for RVDD, just a max of 1k, and the stipulation that RVDD + RV > 1kohm | 23:20 |
| chartreuse | And it's also there to stabilize the voltage with the capacitor | 23:21 |
| chartreuse | There's some stuff there in the data sheet about the sense resistors too, possibly with your mosfet it's thinking there's a short? | 23:21 |
| minute | possible, too low Ron? | 23:23 |
| chartreuse | Yeah. There's a formula for the voltages there and the sum of the on resistance of the mosfets | 23:24 |
| chartreuse | A lot of stuff with this chip is "evalute it yourself" I guess it's more flexible but probably means it's fairly picky | 23:25 |
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