| eery | plan9 and 9front as a "distro" really are such beautiful OSes, I just wish there were better paths for running unix on top | 00:06 |
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| eery | unixy things, anyway | 00:06 |
| eery | I get that's pretty contentious though, since you don't wanna end up with a userland made of awkward ports of linux software, like... haiku seems to be headed towards (?) | 00:09 |
| sigrid | 9front has vmx for vms, if that's what you need | 00:10 |
| eery | it's definitely a big step, but some kind of runtime like a modern ACE with a bsd or linux-y api would be nice | 00:12 |
| eery | be able to run unix software directly as a P9 process with network/FS access | 00:13 |
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| Asmadeus | might be possible to transparently map VMs input/display like qubes does if you try hard enough (no idea plan 9 handles these) | 01:44 |
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| kfx | no. | 02:19 |
| kfx | woops, wrong window! | 02:19 |
| kfx | sorry for noise | 02:19 |
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| cinap_lenrek | druuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuunk | 03:13 |
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| cinap_lenrek | time to make some musik | 03:13 |
| sigrid | (wrong channel?) | 03:13 |
| cinap_lenrek | i went to bocateria | 03:14 |
| cinap_lenrek | to get a serrranito | 03:14 |
| cinap_lenrek | met some artist professor | 03:14 |
| cinap_lenrek | talked with him | 03:14 |
| cinap_lenrek | we went to some local club | 03:14 |
| cinap_lenrek | danced. | 03:14 |
| cinap_lenrek | music was a shit. | 03:14 |
| sigrid | as it is usually, in the clubs | 03:14 |
| cinap_lenrek | now need some hardcore to get shitty music out of my systenm | 03:15 |
| cinap_lenrek | man | 03:15 |
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| cinap_lenrek | malaga is such a ghetto | 03:15 |
| cinap_lenrek | theres not one good club with proper music | 03:15 |
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| cinap_lenrek | http://felloff.net/usr/cinap_lenrek/music/sinne1.mp3 | 05:06 |
| cinap_lenrek | sinnlose musik | 05:10 |
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| eery | this isn't strictly reform related, but what kind of eletrical shenanigans could cause current to flow/a static charge to build on the metal chassis? :| | 16:14 |
| jfred | Oh my | 16:20 |
| eery | only when connected to AC power and seemingly made worse when a plug on the same circuit is half inserted to the wall | 16:25 |
| eery | does this apartment have wiring that is going to kill me lol | 16:25 |
| sigrid | maybe bad filtering between the charger and the device | 16:26 |
| sigrid | I can't use my phone if I am touching reform, for example | 16:27 |
| sigrid | only if it's disconnected from the power | 16:27 |
| jfred | Have you measured it from the case to ground with a multimeter or have you just noticed shocks? I’m curious if it’s just a static buildup or if there actually is a noteworthy amount of current flowing through the case | 16:37 |
| jfred | (That can flow though the case, rather) | 16:39 |
| sigrid | I don't get shocks. it's just that I can't use any capacity-sensing devices while touching the case | 16:39 |
| sigrid | it does not work very well | 16:39 |
| sigrid | ah yeah - also if the phone is connected over usb to reform - it becomes unusable to the touch | 16:40 |
| eery | nope, don't have any tools here, just notice a weird eletrical hum when I place my palms on the palmrest, which is loudest if they're only slightly in contact, and combined with what feels like a really tiny but constant current | 16:40 |
| eery | it's weird | 16:40 |
| eery | there's so much stuff right next to me that could be a factor it's kind of hilarious | 16:43 |
| jfred | Interesting | 16:44 |
| eery | there's the circuit breaker, a mains switch to a water heater, and an HVAC unit which has a big thick cable brining 230V straight up the wall, between the phone jacks on one side and a modem on the other | 16:44 |
| eery | there's a lot of weird and kind of suspicious high voltage current pretty nearby :| | 16:45 |
| sigrid | if I connect my other computer's charger to reform I have 0 issues | 16:48 |
| eery | hmmm | 16:50 |
| eery | I've noticed the phone thing too, I just stopped plugging my phone in | 16:50 |
| eery | maybe it is just the charger | 16:50 |
| sigrid | very likely it is | 16:52 |
| sigrid | the other one is 19V/3.42A 65W, Chicony | 16:53 |
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| sigrid | minute: I wonder what your experience with headphone jack detection was in Linux | 16:57 |
| sigrid | maybe you have an idea why I had to do this: http://git.9front.org/plan9front/plan9front/21ae833386940c7414ecaaf1012c0ec87f0088e5/commit.html | 16:58 |
| Boostisbetter | sigrid: not sure about minute, but for me there is no real detection as much as you having to manually switch to the audio jack as the output source via pavu control | 17:04 |
| sigrid | that's probably because wm8960 (the DAC) driver on Linux is using the wrong pin | 17:05 |
| sigrid | iirc it's using JD3 instead of JD2 | 17:05 |
| sigrid | but I was wondering if maybe minute had some changes in the past with it working | 17:05 |
| sigrid | or knows wth is wrong, "electrical-engineering"-speaking | 17:06 |
| Boostisbetter | in other news, I'm looking forward to the Pocket Reform even more not that my Onemix 3pt has once again stopped working for no apparent reason. | 17:06 |
| Boostisbetter | The idea of having a UMPC device that is repairable is just something I really need. | 17:06 |
| minute | sigrid: nope, i haven't tested it. i wired it up but didn't validate it | 17:06 |
| Boostisbetter | minute: any newer idea on when beta pockets might be available for testing? | 17:07 |
| Boostisbetter | minute: once again not rushing you or anything, just very interested | 17:08 |
| minute | Boostisbetter: can't say yet. at the moment i'm trying to finish RKX7 before an nlnet deadline times out | 17:12 |
| minute | but the pocket campaign prep is also in full swing. | 17:12 |
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| Boostisbetter | minute: yeah, if I was there, I'd be helping you for free. Hahahaha | 17:16 |
| Boostisbetter | sadly I'm on the opposite side of Germany | 17:16 |
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| minute | Boostisbetter: thanks, but no help required atm ^^ | 17:33 |
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| Boostisbetter | minute: good to hear! | 17:44 |
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| cinap_lenrek | minute: is the mnt-reform mainboard still being worked on? | 20:07 |
| cinap_lenrek | minute: i guess changing stuff on there is very hard, no? | 20:09 |
| cinap_lenrek | because you'd need to like re-certify stuff? | 20:09 |
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| sknebel | the mainboard is being reworked to work around "supplychain, lol" problems | 21:12 |
| sknebel | (at least that was the state a few months(?) ago, didnt dare to ask for an update ;)) | 21:16 |
| cinap_lenrek | ah | 21:18 |
| cinap_lenrek | yesterday, sigrid pushed her sai audio driver | 21:18 |
| cinap_lenrek | and i'v been doing some testing | 21:19 |
| cinap_lenrek | i tried with my headphones on the audio jack but the sound seems lacking alot of bass | 21:19 |
| cinap_lenrek | theres a community thread about it which sais its due to the low capacitance of the dc bias capacitors, acting like a hipass | 21:20 |
| Boostisbetter | cinap_lenrek: hmmm, interesting, but if that was a problem while using Plan9 on the Reform why is it not an issue under Debian? | 21:21 |
| cinap_lenrek | its not plan9 specific | 21:21 |
| sigrid | it is | 21:21 |
| sigrid | it's a hardware issue | 21:21 |
| cinap_lenrek | i checked what he sais with the datasheet and it makes sense | 21:21 |
| cinap_lenrek | he did some modification on his board, replacing the caps with higher capacitance onces | 21:22 |
| cinap_lenrek | https://community.mnt.re/t/speakers-too-quiet-try-this/375/2 | 21:22 |
| cinap_lenrek | i'll try out this mod later | 21:29 |
| cinap_lenrek | just that you'r aware of this issue and if possible, maybe add it to the todo list for future improvements for later revisions of the board | 21:29 |
| cinap_lenrek | maybe doesnt even need a different layout | 21:31 |
| cinap_lenrek | just place different capacitors | 21:31 |
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| Boostisbetter | cinap_lenrek, | 21:40 |
| Boostisbetter | sigrid, ahh, ok, I remember seeing that post as well. Sorry, took me a minute to catch up. | 21:40 |
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| Boostisbetter | I guess as per that thread (I'm 2disbetter) I did not notice on the headphones I was using. | 21:46 |
| cinap_lenrek | mine are technics dj1200 closed headphones | 21:50 |
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| minute | cinap_lenrek: yes, i know of this problem. will improve it in a next mb rev | 23:26 |
| minute | cinap_lenrek: i have also soldered bigger caps into my reform | 23:26 |
| minute | i have already made a new motherboard, but pocket size... new reform motherboard will take some cues from that in terms of components | 23:27 |
| sigrid | will there be an errate-like document listing the small updates? :) | 23:28 |
| sigrid | *errata | 23:28 |
| + pinoaffe (~pinoaffep@2a01:4f9:c010:a00b:1337:1337:11be:10) | 23:34 | |
| minute | yeah, there really should be | 23:39 |
| cinap_lenrek | minute: excellent :) | 23:57 |
| cinap_lenrek | minute: i wonder, could the STAT1/STAT2 pins on the charge controller be usefull to detect if we'r running on wall-power? | 23:58 |
| cinap_lenrek | i think the pins would indicate if we'r charging or not | 23:58 |
| cinap_lenrek | but right now, they'r connected to led's instead | 23:58 |
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