| Boostisbetter | minute: so basically if you don't have a reason to turn off glamor, don't do it? | 00:02 |
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| Boostisbetter | I went ahead and re-enabled it with the note turn it off if I have x related issues with apps not loading etc. | 00:38 |
| grubman | is the atheros ethernet being flaky a common thing? | 00:41 |
| grubman | also experiencing the keyboard inputting the wrong characters typed | 00:43 |
| grubman | if i type too fast then some weirdness happens. for example if i type ifconfig, it outputs as "ifcon~7uhfig" | 00:43 |
| grubman | seems to only happen with the c + n keys | 00:44 |
| Boostisbetter | Ethernet being flaky? Nope that is not. | 00:48 |
| Boostisbetter | For your keyboard I wonder if the c and n key are making contact and are being bridged. Maybe lift the keyboard out again and make sure you have nothing touching the bottom of the keyboard. | 00:49 |
| Boostisbetter | Because it seems like you are getting additional keys plus the key you pushed. | 00:50 |
| grubman | re: ethernet, it's negotiating only 100Mbps on a 1Gb connection | 00:57 |
| grubman | sometimes only 10Mbps | 00:57 |
| grubman | and doesn't seem to be able to communicate with the dhcp server to get an ip address | 00:57 |
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| grubman | actually if i only type the n key it will produce the weird additional unwanted text | 01:01 |
| flowy | grubman: running on the shipped SD image? what's your /etc/debian_version | 01:29 |
| flowy | the only spurious keyboard stuff i've heard of was related to the keyboard PCB flex, and tall solder joints on the back of the motherboard. but if your reform was received recently, i feel like that issue should have been fixed before it was shipped (MNT started shaving excess off of the large joints) | 01:31 |
| flowy | if you pressed on keys hard, shorts could be made between the two boards | 01:32 |
| flowy | might not be that issue though | 01:32 |
| grubman | yeah it arrived today actually | 01:32 |
| grubman | i think the tall solder joint issue is what's producing this | 01:33 |
| grubman | because i can slightly lift the keyboard while unscrewed and type n and it will work fine | 01:33 |
| flowy | if that's the issue then be careful in proceeding because i think one or two people were unlucky with the specific pins that shorted and fried something on the keyboard pcb | 01:34 |
| grubman | it must be that. because once i set the kb back then the issue returns | 01:35 |
| grubman | i've turned the reform off for now | 01:36 |
| flowy | grubman: this is different to what i was thinking of but also related: https://community.mnt.re/t/keyboard-key-failure/800/2 | 01:38 |
| flowy | don't know what the resolution was... | 01:39 |
| flowy | grubman: this was the thread i was thinking of: https://community.mnt.re/t/mnt-reform-first-eu-batch-do-this-safety-modification/292 but i guess it's unlikely your stock could be that old | 01:40 |
| flowy | still it includes images, so you can look at the dangerous pins to make sure they don't look taller than they should be | 01:40 |
| grubman | ahh that looks quite similar | 01:40 |
| grubman | appreciate you finding those links for me | 01:40 |
| flowy | np! | 01:40 |
| grubman | looks like i can just apply some tape somewhere and be fine..? | 01:42 |
| flowy | as for ethernet, i don't know. mine has been on a handful of networks and it has always been full speed at 1gbit i think... | 01:42 |
| flowy | grubman: maybe. carefully inspect the back of the keyboard pcb and the back of the reform motherboard. | 01:43 |
| grubman | i think the n key solder joint is in just the right spot to be touching a screw on the motherboard | 01:45 |
| grubman | i can confirm the 3 pins mentioned here are shortened, so it's not that. https://community.mnt.re/t/mnt-reform-first-eu-batch-do-this-safety-modification/292/3 | 01:47 |
| flowy | i'm confused by that more specific 'n'-key thread because it seems sort of unresolved? but yeah, you should maybe place some kapton tape in the spot you've identified. or electrical tape i guess | 01:48 |
| flowy | well that's good heh | 01:48 |
| grubman | https://mntre.com/reform2/handbook/_images/3-callouts.png | 01:48 |
| grubman | see the two screw holes above Reset/LPC flashing | 01:49 |
| grubman | i think it's touching a screw that goes into one of those | 01:49 |
| grubman | yeah in that thread they seem to also have a double key press bug, but i don't seem to have that. just the weird string when hitting "n" | 01:50 |
| grubman | woohoo the tape seems to work lol | 01:55 |
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| grubman | flowy: ok now the ethernet works fine.... lol | 02:05 |
| flowy | grubman: nice! it's a bit weird that they were making contact. have you opened the back of your reform yet? | 02:07 |
| flowy | like, i'd be really curious if- when you are re-attaching the clear back, if there's any shmooshing action occuring | 02:07 |
| flowy | normally there shouldn't be any pressure between the clear cover and any cables and such | 02:07 |
| flowy | wihout screws it should sit flush | 02:08 |
| flowy | i'd inspect other parts inside, on the up-side of the motherboard, to see if anything is squishing anything | 02:08 |
| flowy | or perhaps the screw is longer than it's supposed to be | 02:09 |
| grubman | yeah i did open it to attach the battery cables | 02:09 |
| grubman | possible i smushed something, definitely | 02:09 |
| grubman | that's all i did though and i thought i was being careful but maybe not | 02:09 |
| flowy | yeah... i can't really imagine. cables between the heatsink and the acrylic panel, perhaps? | 02:10 |
| flowy | nnnnnccccccnvugfrcfiljjebgbefrfukgjeelbnfldhnnbhf | 02:10 |
| flowy | ccccccnvugfrdddtdtecnldbrehecitjkfctgurckcfe | 02:10 |
| flowy | lol i'm sure someone knows what i just did | 02:11 |
| flowy | oops | 02:11 |
| flowy | even if i press my n key down pretty hard and i see a fair bit of flex, nothing happens on mine | 02:13 |
| grubman | ^_^ i do | 02:13 |
| grubman | yeah that's odd. maybe yours is from a different batch? mine should be from the newest, i think at least. | 02:14 |
| flowy | can you leak any info at all, accidentally outputting that crap | 02:14 |
| grubman | can't remember tbh | 02:14 |
| grubman | maybe? i'd google around just to be sure | 02:15 |
| flowy | seems like all you need to do is trigger another otp to invalidate the previous one | 02:17 |
| flowy | anyways | 02:17 |
| flowy | yeah i'm from the early eu batch, but there has to be something odd about the way your reform has been assembled for those parts to touch | 02:18 |
| flowy | tmw i'll have some time to take a pic of those screws you mentioned, maybe yours have excessive height | 02:19 |
| flowy | otherwise something is warped or being pressed | 02:19 |
| flowy | minute: i wouldn't mind doing some bisecting. xwayland? between now and roughly when? | 02:21 |
| minute | flowy: xwayland yup. not exactly sure since when | 02:22 |
| minute | grubman: sorry to hear! is it DIY or preassembled? | 02:22 |
| flowy | k i'll try to do that in the next days | 02:22 |
| minute | grubman: ah glad you have a fix already, we will look into it | 02:23 |
| minute | for some reason i missed that problem/thread before | 02:24 |
| grubman | minute: no worries. it's a preassembled unit. | 02:26 |
| minute | ok, thanks! | 02:26 |
| minute | are you in europe and got the unit recently from mouser? | 02:27 |
| grubman | no | 02:27 |
| grubman | i ordered through crowd supply | 02:28 |
| minute | yeah sorry, i mean crowd supply | 02:28 |
| grubman | ah ok | 02:28 |
| minute | they're part of mouser | 02:28 |
| grubman | oh, didn't know that :-) | 02:29 |
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| swivel | are there any established channels for acquiring second-hand reforms? | 07:06 |
| chartreuse | Maybe post on the forums asking if someone is looking to get rid of theirs, but I can't imagine there's too many second hand ones out there | 07:07 |
| swivel | hmm | 07:10 |
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| Boostisbetter | minute: mouse on the other hand is pretty great. My experiences at least. | 13:19 |
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| reform11543 | Hi | 14:29 |
| reform11543 | LIST | 14:31 |
| reform11543 | :LIST | 14:32 |
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| cinap_lenrek | http://felloff.net/usr/cinap_lenrek/9front-845f8d12e4e417aaafaa6e62a80bf03856e7d906.reform.img.gz.torrent | 19:28 |
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| minute | cinap_lenrek: exciting, what's new? | 20:34 |
| cinap_lenrek | minute: /dev/reboot support, core overclocked to 1.4ghz, screen blanking, fixed userspace cycle counters... | 20:44 |
| cinap_lenrek | and we have plan9.ini support now | 20:44 |
| minute | neat! and you also had pcie, no? | 20:44 |
| cinap_lenrek | changed our boot script to load a ini file at a fixed address to pass arguments | 20:44 |
| cinap_lenrek | yeah | 20:44 |
| cinap_lenrek | that was already done in the torrent before | 20:44 |
| cinap_lenrek | we have nvme working :) | 20:44 |
| minute | btw isn't the cpu supposed to run at 1500mhz? | 20:45 |
| cinap_lenrek | minute: the RM says 1.4ghz | 20:45 |
| minute | huh | 20:45 |
| minute | CPU max MHz: 1500.0000 | 20:46 |
| minute | CPU min MHz: 1000.0000 | 20:46 |
| cinap_lenrek | page 11 | 20:47 |
| cinap_lenrek | Target frequency of 1.4GHz | 20:47 |
| minute | i guess the RM is not up to date then | 20:47 |
| cinap_lenrek | lemme see | 20:48 |
| minute | https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/arch/arm64/boot/dts/freescale/imx8mq.dtsi#L218 | 20:51 |
| cinap_lenrek | yeah | 20:52 |
| cinap_lenrek | the rm is full of shit | 20:52 |
| cinap_lenrek | i'v also had alot of issues with the fracpll | 20:52 |
| minute | ah | 20:52 |
| cinap_lenrek | uboot sets registers that should be out of range according to the RM | 20:52 |
| minute | i wonder what would happen if one would set this beyond 1.5 ghz | 20:52 |
| Boostisbetter | minute: with the heat sink you have on there I am guessing nothing bad would happen at 1.6 or maybe even 1.7. | 20:58 |
| Boostisbetter | minute: I know this is going to seem weird, but what I have noticed is when I put the Reform in standby off of AC power, but then add AC power while it is in standby resuming almost always fails. | 20:58 |
| Boostisbetter | minute: just mentioning because it is an observation I have been having. | 20:59 |
| minute | Boostisbetter: the question was more like, is it technically possible to overclock at all (which i don't know) | 21:02 |
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| Boostisbetter | minute: yeah, would be cool to find out, BUT i don't think it is necessary. I feel like we have a good thermal envelop right now as is, and the performance is really pretty good when using using an NVME with it. I mean I really think the Reform is pretty snappy under Sway | 21:08 |
| Boostisbetter | minute: btw, it looks like the MNT forum might have crashed. | 21:12 |
| Boostisbetter | also does anyone have a suggestion for a USB webcam that works on the Reform? | 21:15 |
| minute | we have one in development | 21:17 |
| minute | the forum works for me. | 21:18 |
| minute | also, cpu perf is the number one reason holding most people back from getting reforms, so i'm extremely eager to improve it | 21:19 |
| swivel | in my experience minor increases in frequeny of an otherwise identical piece of hardware makes little experiential difference | 21:33 |
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| minute | swivel: point taken | 21:33 |
| Boostisbetter | minute: looks like it just crashed in the Reform's tab. It is working on other machines as well. Interesting | 21:44 |
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