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| cinap_lenrek | minute: btw, is here a switch to detect if the lid is closed? | 01:03 |
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| minute | cinap_lenrek: nope | 01:05 |
| minute | Boostisbetter: http://dump.mntmn.com/screenshot-2022-06-29-01-05-37.png | 01:06 |
| cinap_lenrek | minute: ok :) | 01:06 |
| minute | Boostisbetter: games do not work yet though as the ones i tried are 64 bit, and i'm running this in box86 (32 bit) | 01:45 |
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| flowy | minute: masochism. that's all i can say. | 03:27 |
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| + aliosablack (~chomwitt@2a02:587:dc1c:800:6edf:8c3:2be1:2ef9) | 08:18 | |
| NanoCodeBug | Open On-Chip Debugger 0.11.0 (2021-03-07-12:52) | 09:29 |
| NanoCodeBug | Licensed under GNU GPL v2 | 09:29 |
| NanoCodeBug | For bug reports, read | 09:29 |
| NanoCodeBug | http://openocd.org/doc/doxygen/bugs.html | 09:29 |
| NanoCodeBug | Info : Listening on port 6666 for tcl connections | 09:29 |
| NanoCodeBug | Info : Listening on port 4444 for telnet connections | 09:29 |
| NanoCodeBug | Info : J-Link V11 compiled Mar 3 2022 10:16:14 | 09:29 |
| NanoCodeBug | Info : Hardware version: 11.00 | 09:29 |
| NanoCodeBug | Info : VTarget = 3.306 V | 09:29 |
| NanoCodeBug | Info : clock speed 1000 kHz | 09:29 |
| NanoCodeBug | Info : JTAG tap: imx8mq.cpu tap/device found: 0x5ba00477 (mfg: 0x23b (ARM Ltd), part: 0xba00, ver: 0x5) | 09:29 |
| NanoCodeBug | Info : imx8mq.a53.0: hardware has 6 breakpoints, 4 watchpoints | 09:29 |
| NanoCodeBug | Info : starting gdb server for imx8mq.a53.0 on 3333 | 09:29 |
| NanoCodeBug | Info : Listening on port 3333 for gdb connections | 09:29 |
| NanoCodeBug | Info : starting gdb server for imx8mq.m4 on 3334 | 09:29 |
| NanoCodeBug | Info : Listening on port 3334 for gdb connections | 09:29 |
| NanoCodeBug | oh god sorry | 09:29 |
| NanoCodeBug | mean to just include a few lines of that | 09:29 |
| NanoCodeBug | i have j-link connecting to the a53 cores now | 09:29 |
| NanoCodeBug | now just to get debug symbols | 09:48 |
| minute | NanoCodeBug: that's amazing!! | 10:27 |
| minute | NanoCodeBug: great to see that jtag actually works | 10:29 |
| NanoCodeBug | the soldering was rough, the som dissipates heat way too well for my hot air station | 10:31 |
| NanoCodeBug | had to use an iron to remove the net, and some dust must have got in the edge connector, i had to reseat it a few times before it would post all the way | 10:31 |
| NanoCodeBug | i just finished building the kernel with dbg info, but its late here now | 10:33 |
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| minute | NanoCodeBug: good work! | 10:34 |
| Boostisbetter | minute: really impressive that you got the client running. I guess finding x86 games to run is going to be the next challenge. | 10:59 |
| Boostisbetter | minute: there is probably no way to hook box64 in when trying to start a 64 bit game. | 11:00 |
| minute | Boostisbetter: i'm not sure. it might be possible but really tricky | 11:01 |
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| Boostisbetter | minute: exactly. Still would be a cool thing, just not for the faint of heart. | 11:01 |
| Boostisbetter | I do very little gaming today, even though I love it, so this isn't isn't super crucial to me. | 11:02 |
| Boostisbetter | but it would be cool to say that you could get it running | 11:02 |
| Boostisbetter | and getting the client already working is very cool | 11:02 |
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| nocko | oof, why do businesses use UPS? Are the rates really good? Is there service not shitty to some locations? | 15:02 |
| nocko | Everytime I order something and see it's shipped UPS I audibly groan. This rant brought to you by some mnt store purchases in UPS limbo... | 15:03 |
| nocko | Maybe Canadian UPS is uniquely shitty? | 15:04 |
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| dodo | meine güte.. crowd supply wird jetzt erst klar dass ich den zoll selbst bezahlen muss, da wegen der batterien nur mit dhl oder ups verschickt werden kann | 15:54 |
| dodo | aber immerhin, es ist so weit \o/ | 15:55 |
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| minute | dodo: yep, it's because they found out that they can't ship the batteries with fedex, so the vat preclearing doesn't work... they will refund the vat to you | 19:22 |
| minute | nocko: i've had pretty good experience with UPS shipping stuff from germany | 19:22 |
| minute | better than DHL, so we use UPS exclusively | 19:22 |
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| + Guest33 (~Guest33@g223.219-121-89.ppp.wakwak.ne.jp) | 19:55 | |
| Guest33 | Hi everyone! I have an issue with moving the OS to ssd. Getting the following error when running reform-migrate script at the point when reform-boot-config is started: | 19:59 |
| Guest33 | chroot: failed to run command ‘update-initramfs’: No such file or directory | 19:59 |
| Guest33 | Does anyone know how to deal with this problem? Thanks | 19:59 |
| kfx | do you have the initramfs-tools package installed? | 20:01 |
| kfx | or, I guess, that package would need to be installed in the chroot | 20:01 |
| kfx | were there any previous error messages? | 20:01 |
| minute | huh. Guest33 which system image version did you start this from? | 20:02 |
| Guest33 | Seems like this package wasn't installed, I will now try again when it's there. | 20:03 |
| Guest33 | No, there were no any other errors or warnings | 20:03 |
| Guest33 | or, I guess, that package would need to be installed in the chroot | 20:04 |
| Guest33 | > how do you install a package in chroot? | 20:04 |
| Guest33 | minute I am not sure which version it is | 20:04 |
| Guest33 | how can I check the image version? | 20:05 |
| minute | Guest33: did you download it or was it shipped with the machine? | 20:05 |
| Guest33 | it was shipped with the machine | 20:05 |
| minute | Guest33: /etc/motd has something i think | 20:05 |
| Guest33 | System Image v3: 2022-01-26 | 20:06 |
| minute | Guest33: if it's v3, you can probably update by doing apt update && apt upgrade first... or did you do that already? | 20:06 |
| Guest33 | yes, I have done it, but may do once more just in case | 20:07 |
| minute | and i recommend to reboot also after upgrading | 20:07 |
| Guest33 | You don't have enough free space in /var/cache/apt/archives/. is what I get | 20:08 |
| minute | ugh | 20:09 |
| minute | i probably forgot to grow your filesystem ;) | 20:09 |
| Guest33 | you mean moving /root to nvme? | 20:10 |
| minute | no, the partition on the sd card is probably too small, smaller than the sd card | 20:10 |
| minute | Guest33: you can see that with `lsblk` | 20:10 |
| Guest33 | ooh, I see what you mean. | 20:10 |
| minute | if you have another computer, you can grow it | 20:10 |
| minute | growpart -u auto /dev/$1 2 | 20:10 |
| minute | e2fsck -f /dev/${1}2 | 20:10 |
| minute | resize2fs /dev/${1}2 | 20:11 |
| minute | where $1 is the sd card device | 20:11 |
| minute | (or i think gnome-disks can do it graphically) | 20:11 |
| Guest33 | I just resized it with gnome-disks to take the whole remaining space of the sd card | 20:12 |
| minute | great | 20:12 |
| Guest33 | In the long run, I want to have the main system to boot directly from the ssd, but with an option to boot from an sd card for some alternative OS(es). How would you go about making this work? | 20:15 |
| minute | you can't boot from ssd, but you can boot via emmc | 20:16 |
| minute | Boostisbetter: according to a person on twitter, steam 32+64 bit is possible. there's a guide (i haven't had time for it though) https://github.com/Heasterian/Box86-64-on-SD845-mobian | 20:17 |
| Boostisbetter | that is awesome, I'll see if I can find the time, but if you do find some it would be awesome if you could look into it. | 20:18 |
| Guest33 | you can't boot from ssd, but you can boot via emmc> right, I kinda forgot about it . It will be the next step of experimentation once I deal with the first task of using the ssd for /root | 20:18 |
| Boostisbetter | For what it is worth I switched to an SSD but left the boot device the SD card. You only need it at boot, and can remove it while the system is up, so I just went that route. Plus if you SSD ever dies it seems like it would be easier to move back to running it off the sd card. | 20:19 |
| Guest33 | but once you boot from emmc, is there still a possibility to run an alternative OS from an sd card? | 20:19 |
| kfx | Guest33: you can hack up u-boot to work that way | 20:20 |
| kfx | Guest33: I'm running sigrid's u-boot, and that's how it works for me -- it boots from emmc, then looks for a boot script in the sd slot, then on nvme, and finally on emmc | 20:20 |
| Guest33 | kfx right, hacking up u-boot is something I have never done yet, but it sounds like a fun thing to try | 20:22 |
| Guest33 | I'm running sigrid's u-boot, and that's how it works for me -- it boots from emmc, then looks for a boot script in the sd slot, then on nvme, and finally on emmc | 20:23 |
| Guest33 | > this sounds exactly like I would try to achieve. do you have any links that would help me with making such set up? | 20:23 |
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| Guest33 | sigrid's u-boot | 20:25 |
| Guest33 | > what/who is sigrid | 20:25 |
| Guest33 | oh I see, it's a person in this chat | 20:25 |
| kfx | I don't have sources or anything, sorry, maybe sigrid will see this and speak up | 20:26 |
| Guest33 | no worries, thanks anyways | 20:29 |
| minute | Boostisbetter: i have the same setup in regards to sd+ssd for the same reason yep. | 20:29 |
| Guest33 | I have another question, and it's about running guix os on the reform and if anyone had any success making it work. I have read in the thread on the community forum and the gnu mailing list linked there, although all the messages are from last year and I assume there were some changes to the approach taken | 20:32 |
| minute | i don't know this | 20:35 |
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| + bkeys (~Thunderbi@static-198-54-135-69.cust.tzulo.com) | 20:41 | |
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| + bkeys (~Thunderbi@253.236-24.gp.ptn.tftn.static.friendlycity.net) | 20:59 | |
| - Guest33 (QUIT: Quit: Client closed) (~Guest33@g223.219-121-89.ppp.wakwak.ne.jp) | 21:05 | |
| flowy | minute: fyi i was having really terrible screen interference problems since using sysimagev3 associated with stronger wifi signals. it was really quite painful at times. i guess it just depends on the particular internal cable layout and antenna placement. | 21:13 |
| flowy | a very nice person in the forums sent me some of their emi shielding tame and first try the problems have disappeared | 21:13 |
| flowy | *shielding tape | 21:14 |
| flowy | around the display connector and some of the cable. | 21:14 |
| + Guest33 (~Guest33@g223.219-121-89.ppp.wakwak.ne.jp) | 21:14 | |
| * mark_ -> mjw | 21:14 | |
| flowy | maybe you should consider using some kind of shielded connector for future designs | 21:15 |
| Guest33 | after running reform-migrate successfully and rebooting the machine I get an error [ end Kernel panic - not syncing: Requested init /sbin/reform-init failed (error -2). ] | 21:17 |
| Guest33 | is there a way to resolve this? | 21:17 |
| minute | ah, reform-init does not exist anymore | 21:19 |
| minute | flowy: thanks, i've seen it and was surprised by it | 21:19 |
| minute | Guest33: it sounds like you have an older version of u-boot on the sd card :/ | 21:20 |
| minute | strange because `apt upgrade` should have refreshed that | 21:20 |
| minute | Guest33: sorry for all the trouble. if you don't mind, could you flash the reform-system.img.gz from here on your sd card: https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-system-image/-/jobs/833/artifacts/browse/reform2-imx8mq/ | 21:21 |
| minute | (gunzip first) | 21:22 |
| Guest33 | hmm, I see | 21:22 |
| Guest33 | will try to flash this image now | 21:22 |
| minute | Guest33: then it should boot again | 21:22 |
| minute | Guest33: and then you can try `sudo reform-boot-config nvme` | 21:23 |
| minute | Guest33: it might be cleaner to do `reform-migrate` again with that fresh sd card though | 21:23 |
| Guest33 | thank you for your help. I will go through these steps and let you know if it worked | 21:24 |
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| + bkeys (~Thunderbi@253.236-24.gp.ptn.tftn.static.friendlycity.net) | 21:27 | |
| vagrantc | hmmm... i should go dig out my mnt/reform ... it's been stuck in a box for a while ... we'll see how the batteries are holding up :) | 21:30 |
| minute | vagrantc: uh oh! | 21:31 |
| vagrantc | the firmware upgrades i did seemed to dramatically reduce the powered off drain ... it's been a few weeks | 21:33 |
| vagrantc | and have spare sunshine to top them off | 21:33 |
| vagrantc | so are the batteries for the pocket-reform not lifepo4 ? | 21:34 |
| vagrantc | it say liion if i recall | 21:34 |
| vagrantc | really love that the mnt/reform takes a wide voltage range ... perfect for solar | 21:34 |
| + bkeys1 (~Thunderbi@static-198-54-135-69.cust.tzulo.com) | 21:42 | |
| vagrantc | hrm. circle key does nothing... | 21:42 |
| vagrantc | oh dear, the cells are very, very drained | 21:43 |
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| * bkeys1 -> bkeys | 21:44 | |
| vagrantc | some as low as 0.8v ... | 21:44 |
| vagrantc | they seem to be recovering ... | 21:45 |
| vagrantc | negative amperage in the circle-b display means charging? | 21:51 |
| Boostisbetter | yrp | 21:51 |
| Boostisbetter | *yep | 21:51 |
| vagrantc | two cells really seem to be struggling at 1.4v ... others seem to be doing ok | 21:52 |
| Guest33 | vagrantc if I am not mistaken, you must be familiar with guix os. have you tried installing it on the reform? | 21:53 |
| vagrantc | i thought the firmware improvements would have allowed leaving it unpowered for longer... | 21:53 |
| vagrantc | Guest33: it's on my eventual agenda ... since it still requires a few kernel patches, it might actually be easier to get supported | 21:53 |
| Boostisbetter | yes it should. But 1.4v is not good for a cell. I make it a habit to leave my reform on power when I'm not using it for more than 6 hours. | 21:54 |
| vagrantc | although the bootloader won't be supportable due to the ddr timing blobs (if i recall correctly) | 21:54 |
| vagrantc | i packed it but ended up leaving it packed longer than i had expected | 21:55 |
| vagrantc | not 100% sure it was fully charged and balanced at the time ... but i *thought* it was pretty high (e.g. ~90+% and balanced) | 21:55 |
| minute | vagrantc: i have a new battery board in testing that will protect the cells. i'm not 100% happy with it yet because 1 cell can still die | 21:56 |
| minute | that's why it's not yet released | 21:56 |
| minute | also the next motherboard rev will fix the fundamental issue | 21:57 |
| Guest33 | vagrantc do you mean it requires kernel patches for running with libre-kernel or with what's available in the channels too? | 21:57 |
| vagrantc | Guest33: could make a channel to support the bits that aren't appropriate for upstream guix to finish out the rest | 21:57 |
| vagrantc | Guest33: not all the patches for the mnt/reform are upstream | 21:57 |
| vagrantc | most of the functionlity other than hdmi *should* work with linux-libre | 21:58 |
| minute | the biggest patch, hdmi, is on the way to upstream by lucas stach | 21:58 |
| vagrantc | minute: look forward to board updates | 21:58 |
| vagrantc | minute: that's good to hear! | 21:58 |
| vagrantc | minute: there's a fundamental issue with the hardware? hrm. ah well, it's probably the most hardware-upgradable-fixable system i have for a reason :) | 21:59 |
| minute | vagrantc: yeah, it can be fixed with a new battery board or a new motherboard | 22:00 |
| minute | vagrantc: i actually used a ADI reference design for the battery monitor which has this bug already | 22:00 |
| minute | like, in the official design | 22:00 |
| Guest33 | vagrantc I see. I've checked all information available on this topic, seems like Christine Lemmer-Webber got some success with making it work, but I am not so certain about it. The blob for DDR4 was mentioned as an obstacle for running fully libre guix | 22:01 |
| minute | well, the problem is multi-layered | 22:01 |
| minute | anyway, i understand fully what is going on and it will be fixed | 22:01 |
| minute | Guest33: what if u-boot incl the blob was added outside of guix? | 22:02 |
| vagrantc | Guest33: yeah, but it should be able to boot guix if you bring-your-own-bootloader | 22:02 |
| minute | yeah that's what i mean | 22:02 |
| vagrantc | minute: then guix would have to patch out the blob ... | 22:02 |
| vagrantc | oh, you mean, you provide u-boot, yeah, that works | 22:02 |
| minute | vagrantc: yeah. | 22:02 |
| minute | or u-boot could load it from disk | 22:03 |
| minute | as a separate file | 22:03 |
| minute | don't know what's less hassle | 22:03 |
| vagrantc | i think the latest u-boot for the mnt/reform supports extlinux.conf ... and it's possible to get guix to generate an appropriate extlinux.conf even if it doesn't install the bootloader | 22:03 |
| vagrantc | i don't suppose u-boot supports loading off of nvme? | 22:03 |
| minute | vagrantc: thought experiment: what if the ddrc blob lived on an i2c rom on the motherboard? | 22:04 |
| sigrid | Guest33: https://github.com/ftrvxmtrx/void-packages/releases/tag/mntreform2-20220214 shows how to update u-boot on emmc, and the binary in question is at https://ftrv.se/_/mntreform2-u-boot.bin | 22:04 |
| vagrantc | that's another slight gotcha for guix ... it doesn't support a split /boot partition | 22:04 |
| sigrid | and https://github.com/ftrvxmtrx/void-packages/blob/mntreform2/srcpkgs/mntreform2-uboot/files/kernel.d/uboot is how boot.scr is generated in my case | 22:05 |
| vagrantc | minute: it's a somewhat arbitrary GNU Free Software Distribution distinction, but if it's "burned in" to a non-writeable space, it's ok... but if it's writeable ... it's kind of not ok. | 22:05 |
| vagrantc | there are plenty of holes in that argument, but ... welp, there it is. | 22:05 |
| minute | vagrantc: i see. so i would need to produce a mask rom somehow :D | 22:06 |
| Guest33 | sigrid thank you very much for the references | 22:06 |
| minute | vagrantc: i guess EPROMs are illegal? | 22:06 |
| josch | Guest33: you don't need another u-boot -- the u-boot from sysimage-v3 also first looks at the sd-card and then on the emmc | 22:06 |
| josch | vagrantc: the latest u-boot does support extlinux.conf but that's not the one included in sysimage-v3 | 22:07 |
| josch | Guest33: to flash the latest u-boot version to emmc you can use the reform-flash-rescue script | 22:07 |
| vagrantc | josch: oh, curious. | 22:07 |
| minute | vagrantc: i know the whole thing is illogical, but it'd be interesting for me to understand what is allowed and what not... so what kind of ROMs are acceptable | 22:07 |
| vagrantc | minute: i'm not an expert on it, that's just what i've gleaned over time | 22:07 |
| minute | vagrantc: and, are you allowed to copy stuff from a ROM into MCU memory (it's not main memory!) | 22:07 |
| Guest33 | josch thanks for the tip | 22:08 |
| minute | vagrantc: ok! | 22:08 |
| vagrantc | i've fallen behind on mnt/reform stuff (obviously, given the status of my battery pack!) | 22:08 |
| vagrantc | which, seems to be at 3.2-3.4 range already ... that feels much better. | 22:09 |
| minute | interesting: https://ryf.fsf.org/about/criteria | 22:09 |
| minute | > However, there is one exception for secondary embedded processors. The exception applies to software delivered inside auxiliary and low-level processors and FPGAs, within which software installation is not intended after the user obtains the product. This can include, for instance, microcode inside a processor, firmware built into an I/O device, or the gate pattern of an FPGA. The software in | 22:09 |
| minute | such secondary processors does not count as product software | 22:09 |
| minute | so, if we store the DDRC blob in LPC, it is ok? | 22:10 |
| vagrantc | maybe! | 22:10 |
| minute | and then u-boot would just copy it via SPI from LPC to the DDRC | 22:10 |
| minute | lol | 22:10 |
| vagrantc | i wonder if you could get the baseboard certified without the cpu board | 22:11 |
| minute | > Some device manufacturers include a CD-ROM with their product that has proprietary Windows drivers for the device. This is unacceptable | 22:11 |
| minute | good that we don't have a cd-rom | 22:11 |
| vagrantc | if you released a model without an hdmi port, maybe you coudl get that certified too | 22:12 |
| Guest33 | so means it's technically possible to run fully libre guix on mnt/reform? | 22:13 |
| vagrantc | have mixed feelings about all that though ... exactly where to draw the line with blobs | 22:13 |
| minute | > Specifically, the seller must use the term "GNU/Linux" for any reference to an entire operating system which includes GNU and Linux, not "Linux" | 22:13 |
| minute | let me interject for a moment | 22:13 |
| minute | vagrantc: i guess only the FSF committee can decide this | 22:13 |
| vagrantc | i've known people who were doing FSF respects-your-freedom evaluation in the past ... not sure if i know anyone recently connected | 22:14 |
| * Guest33 -> lszl | 22:15 | |
| vagrantc | yay, 3.4-3.6v ... that's approaching pretty normal | 22:16 |
| minute | vagrantc: cool | 22:17 |
| minute | vagrantc: how many days exactly was the thing in a box? | 22:17 |
| vagrantc | ACTION rummages around old notes on dates ... | 22:18 |
| vagrantc | minute: i remember the FSF surprisingly endorsing (with caveats) the librem5, which has basically all the same issues, i think, being a very similar SoC | 22:20 |
| minute | librem5 was endorsed? | 22:21 |
| vagrantc | not formally through the RYF thing, but ... some sort of holiday gifty giving thing | 22:22 |
| vagrantc | https://www.fsf.org/givingguide/v11/ | 22:23 |
| minute | oh, interesting | 22:23 |
| vagrantc | might be worth working with the purism folks who are vested in getting the full RYF thing ... to see what ways you could comply with the imx8* chips | 22:25 |
| sknebel | They did that thing where they put the DRAM training firmware on a separate flash chip and used the embedded M4 cores as "secondary processors" right? | 22:26 |
| vagrantc | maybe | 22:26 |
| sknebel | I guess I was remembering this post and later discussions around it: https://puri.sm/posts/librem5-solving-the-first-fsf-ryf-hurdle/ | 22:27 |
| minute | i don't think it was actually done like that in the end | 22:29 |
| minute | https://source.puri.sm/Librem5/uboot-imx/-/issues/9 | 22:31 |
| - Christoph_ (QUIT: Remote host closed the connection) (~Christoph@p54bf60e6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) | 22:32 | |
| minute | yeah https://source.puri.sm/Librem5/uboot-imx/-/blob/librem5/debian/bin/fetch-imx-firmware | 22:33 |
| kfx | is there any actual benefit to this or is it just bureacuratic gamesmanship so they can brag about their copyright purity | 22:34 |
| kfx | I'm skeptical of efforts like this where it's just a bunch of extra work to wind up in the same state the reform already sits | 22:35 |
| vagrantc | yeah, it's sometimes a bit dubious | 22:35 |
| vagrantc | there is something to be said for being clear and transparent about what parts of your system are buildable from source and what are just ... stuff we hope works | 22:36 |
| kfx | no amount of wget juggling and hot patching will un-blackbox the ddr timings, it will just make copyright enthusiasts feel better about their thousand-dollar phones | 22:36 |
| vagrantc | but a lot of hoop-jumping ... starts to get questionable | 22:36 |
| kfx | meanwhile the Reform docs just say "here are the parts we don't have source for, and here is why we need them" | 22:36 |
| sigrid | GNU/Loophole | 22:36 |
| minute | kfx: there is no benefit | 22:38 |
| minute | also, we have the ls1082a module, it does not have a ddrc blob (still has a display controller blob for edp... so if that's more important to you than opengl, you could pair it with a 2d thing like sm750 and have a blob-free cortex-a72) | 22:39 |
| minute | i'm not sure about the cost of producing a small batch of the ls1028a module at the moment though (chip shortages and all) | 22:39 |
| lszl | vagrantc how about running guix with nonguix channel on mnt/reform? to at least be able to use the distro for it's practical benefits | 22:47 |
| vagrantc | minute: regarding how long i neglected my mnt/reform in a box ... my current estimate is 5-8 weeks | 22:48 |
| vagrantc | lszl: should be possible ... all it takes is doing the work :) | 22:49 |
| minute | vagrantc: oh, that's great then | 22:49 |
| lszl | vagrantc that's true. I don't have so much expertise in all of this yet, but it will be a fun journey to dig deep and learn how to do it | 22:52 |
| vagrantc | minute: i definitely get nervous seeing lifepo4 cells dropping that far below 2 volts ... but even the 0.8v cells seem to have recovered ok-ish | 22:55 |
| minute | vagrantc: it's not super healthy but they can take a beating | 22:55 |
| vagrantc | it's still charging a little over an amp ... but hasn't yet figured out what the percentage is | 22:56 |
| minute | vagrantc: normal, it will only switch to 100% when it decides that it can squeeze in no more charge | 22:59 |
| - qwer (QUIT: Ping timeout: 268 seconds) (~qwer@89-24-50-198.nat.epc.tmcz.cz) | 23:10 | |
| + qwer (~qwer@78-80-106-79.customers.tmcz.cz) | 23:20 | |
| - fsx (QUIT: Remote host closed the connection) (~fsx@durian.61924.nl) | 23:30 | |
| NanoCodeBug | hmm, in kde the sensor widgets don't work. I wonder whats up with that, they ui for them shows no available data sources | 23:58 |
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