| klardotsh | re-ran reform-display-config single and rebooted. still get backlight but no content. early boot logs include this one I didn't see before: | 00:04 |
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| klardotsh | mxsfb 30320000.lcd-controller: Cannot connect bridge: -19 | 00:04 |
| + MajorBiscuit (~MajorBisc@86-88-79-148.fixed.kpn.net) | 00:08 | |
| klardotsh | which appears to solely stem from https://elixir.bootlin.com/linux/v5.17.11/source/drivers/gpu/drm/mxsfb/mxsfb_drv.c#L262. that error then gets followed up disabling power management for the device for the rest of kernelspace | 00:09 |
| vkoskiv_ | kfx: lovely. I don't think my php looked much better, to be honest :D | 00:13 |
| minute | klardotsh: that means that something could not be probed | 00:17 |
| minute | klardotsh: do you have another sd card? if you have some time to spare, i would like to ask you to flash the latest sysimage v3 again and boot that unmodified just to make 100% sure it is a hw issue | 00:18 |
| klardotsh | minute: sure, I can even use a different SD just to keep isolating any sources of weirdness. have a link to the image you'd like me to try? | 00:20 |
| minute | klardotsh: https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-system-image/-/jobs/793/artifacts/browse/reform2-imx8mq/ | 00:21 |
| minute | i need to sleep now but will read your result tomorrow! | 00:21 |
| klardotsh | thanks for the pointers so far! good night! | 00:22 |
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| klardotsh | minute: no dice on either the recovery or system images from that link, on multiple SD cards :\ https://gist.github.com/klardotsh/09cdf3f5b1b89aab5cd08bdf02097813 | 01:16 |
| klardotsh | minute: if I fall off IRC (happens sometimes due to LTE ping timeouts up here in the woods) you can ping on masto, but otherwise I'll try to check back in here from time to time in case there's more we can do to debug this thing | 01:17 |
| cinap_lenrek | ok, got the sdcard working in plan9 now | 01:25 |
| cinap_lenrek | good night. | 01:25 |
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| minute | cinap_lenrek: awesome. | 09:42 |
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| minute | cool, more SPI battery status progress: https://community.mnt.re/t/lpc-spi-driver-prototype/768/9 | 09:47 |
| josch_ | wow, awesome re sd-card in plan9 and lpc spi driver :) | 09:49 |
| * josch_ -> josch | 09:49 | |
| josch | minute: I wrote you an email with my shipping address for a replacement board to potentially fix my serial problem. Once serial works, I can also take care of bisecting the kernel to find out when hdmi stopped working. | 09:50 |
| minute | josch: cool, i'll take care of it today | 09:51 |
| josch | sweet :) | 09:51 |
| Boostisbetter | You know just as an aside, many people mention things like the SoC in the Reform is not that powerful, or they say that the RPI zero 2 can't be used as a desktop computer. In the case of the Reform is plenty fast and capable. The Zero 2 while kind of limited by the amount of RAM it has, can absolutely function as a desktop. The Penkesu I made, and using now to type this works just fine, and is pl | 09:55 |
| Boostisbetter | enty fast enough to be useful. | 09:55 |
| Boostisbetter | That said I'm looking forward to all of the SoC improvements minute has in the pipeline, but I just felt like saying that people are really wrong about what chips are capable of today. | 09:55 |
| minute | yeah, depends a lot on the configuration and software you need. chromium is fast because it makes optimal use of multicore and GLES, but something like emacs can be slow because a lot of stuff is single threaded. | 09:57 |
| sknebel | yeah, "desktop usage" is a bit vague too. is it "light web browsing + office documents"? does it include other specialized software? does it include multimedia tasks? | 10:00 |
| Boostisbetter | true, optimized software really helps, but you could argue that software should always be written such that it makes efficient use of the resources available to it | 10:00 |
| minute | yep. | 10:01 |
| Boostisbetter | Well I'm using the Penkesu to run Dino, a terminal, Librewriter, Chromium, and Geany all at the same time | 10:01 |
| Boostisbetter | sure because it HAS to use the swap there are minor slow downs when alt tabbing, but I mean these are not deal breakers. It is not like I can go to the bathroom in the time it takes. It is fully functional. | 10:02 |
| Boostisbetter | 'And in Chromium a Rocket Chat instance and a Discord tab are open. | 10:02 |
| sknebel | that is kind of impressive | 10:02 |
| minute | nice | 10:03 |
| Boostisbetter | This is why I am so excited about the Pocket Reform | 10:03 |
| Boostisbetter | Reform power in a smaller form factor | 10:03 |
| minute | i'm really looking forward to our 7" device as well yes ^^ | 10:03 |
| sknebel | (to take the chromium example, since its so optimized for using GPU, it gets seriously unhappy if the GPU is really bad. *cough* imx6 *cough*) | 10:03 |
| minute | i've stockpiled the usb hub chips for it yesterday and i'll also put them in an update reform motherboard | 10:04 |
| minute | sknebel: oh :3 | 10:04 |
| sknebel | imx6 just is old by now, and the GPU is already not good and then it has some hardware bugs making it worse. (for reference, an imx6 was used in the *first* Google Nexus tablet). but still has a large industrial user base, so people try a lot of things it struggles with :D | 10:06 |
| sknebel | minute: how are parts going for the next reform mainboard run in general? do you have replacements generally figured out where needed, or still up in the air? | 10:07 |
| minute | imx6qp? | 10:07 |
| sknebel | seen pretty much all variants, not sure which one the chromium trouble was with | 10:08 |
| minute | sknebel: still working on it, but usb huh was a big impediment that is now resolved. i will carry over lessons from the pocket design over to reform motherboard R-3 (or R-4? huh) | 10:08 |
| minute | usb huh -> usb hub | 10:08 |
| minute | i've also explored another variant supporting rk3588 som, but linux support for that is still very basic AFAIK | 10:09 |
| minute | my pipeline is something like: 1. pocket reform launch 2. reform mobo update incl ls1028a release (for a RYF version bundled with sm750 graphics perhaps). 3. rcm4 beta 4. finish 2 nlnet projects (kintex+camera) 5. "trad" keyboard 6. rk3588 | 10:12 |
| sknebel | ok, so new reforms is going to take a while still (not that that's surprising) | 10:15 |
| minute | not long though, as it is step 2 in my pipeline ^^ | 10:16 |
| minute | "just" need to get pocket going | 10:16 |
| minute | i could also parallelize by acquiring more kicad grinding experts | 10:17 |
| minute | (right now i'm the only person doing electronics design at mnt) | 10:17 |
| thum | I like part 2. of "my pipeline is something like: 1. pocket reform launch 2. reform mobo update incl ls1028a release (for a RYF version bundled with sm750 graphic [..]" :--) | 10:34 |
| minute | nice ^^ | 10:55 |
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| ex--parrot | Rocket Chat kills my Ryzen laptop pretty quickly | 11:18 |
| sknebel | KDE has a native rocket chat client btw: https://invent.kde.org/network/ruqola (we use it at work and some of my coworkers got annoyed by the web-based version) | 11:26 |
| ex--parrot | :o | 11:30 |
| ex--parrot | and it's not just Electron? | 11:30 |
| ex--parrot | I actually wrote a whole Qt RocketChat client for the company I work for, the API is so horrendous | 11:31 |
| ex--parrot | amazing | 11:31 |
| sknebel | this is Qt too | 11:31 |
| ex--parrot | funny | 11:31 |
| ex--parrot | I wonder why I didn't find this | 11:31 |
| ex--parrot | ty sknebel :) | 11:31 |
| ex--parrot | I will have to compare notes | 11:32 |
| dodo | i installed rocketchat at my last job and killed irc with it :\ | 12:01 |
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| Boostisbetter | ex-parrot do you have your client listed anywhere? QT based would be much better than electron based. I just use the web-client myself. | 15:43 |
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| vkoskiv_ | Hah. I was looking into fixing the names for the kbd/trackball in lsusb, but those are retrieved from some Big List based on the vendor/product ID, and not from the device. | 16:19 |
| vkoskiv_ | And - surprise surprise, to get on the Big List, one must fork thousands of dollars to USB-IF | 16:20 |
| vkoskiv_ | Kind of silly, why doesn't it just print what the device reports. | 16:21 |
| vkoskiv_ | There is a security element to the answer, isn | 16:24 |
| vkoskiv_ | isn't there | 16:24 |
| minute | idk. you can print the real strings somehow | 16:25 |
| vkoskiv_ | yeah with lsusb -v | 16:25 |
| vkoskiv_ | And dmesg has them too. | 16:25 |
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| flowy | minute: re: your pipeline, what does 'trad keyboard' mean? a new standalone design? | 18:13 |
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| minute | flowy: slightly different layout with more traditional stagger and 2U spacebar | 18:27 |
| vkoskiv_ | Bumping the smol tweak: https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform/-/merge_requests/27 | 18:30 |
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| vkoskiv_ | Thinking of sticking an airtag somewhere in my Reform. I generally always keep my hardware within reach when I | 18:38 |
| vkoskiv_ | am on the go, but you never know. | 18:38 |
| vkoskiv_ | The juxtaposition of this magical, absolutely proprietary FruitCo tracking device inside this completely open hardware sustem is also kinda funny IMO :D | 18:39 |
| vkoskiv_ | Generally I keep one in my bag, that might be enough. I'd have to stick some kapton tape on the chrome side before sticking it in the machine. | 18:39 |
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| klardotsh | minute: circling back to yesterday evening's chat about the eDP stuff; the gist above is the boot logs for both images you recommended. open to more or less any thoughts on what to look at next (I guess I could poke around with a multimeter to identify broken chips? maybe?) | 20:12 |
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| vkoskiv_ | There is some error case where my keyboard controller doesn't wake up (from sleep?) even after holding down circle for a while | 23:59 |
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