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| + eschaton (eschaton@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fefd:5d92) | 05:06 | |
| eschaton | Say, does anyone have the URL handy for the SD card image? I didn't make an image of mine and messed it up within a couple hours. | 05:07 |
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| eschaton | Also, how did I mess it up? After getting my Reform online, I switched my repsository from ftp.de.debian.org to ftp.debian.org, ran `apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade && apt-get autoremove`, and now I get a panic partway through boot. My assumption is that `apt-get autoremove` got rid of something it shouldn't have. | 05:10 |
| eschaton | Ah, looks like it'll be on source.mnt.re but that's just not loading at the moment. | 05:12 |
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| josch | eschaton: I successfully flashed and booted this: https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-system-image/-/jobs/793/facts/raw/reform2-imx8mq/reform-system.img.gz | 08:17 |
| josch | eschaton: did you run 'apt-get dist-upgrade' on the sd-card image that came shipped with the reform? | 08:18 |
| vkoskiv | Weird. Battery was at 25%, plugged in charger, it immediately jumped to 100% | 08:18 |
| vkoskiv | But the current indicates it's still charging | 08:18 |
| vkoskiv | Also: I just bashed my reform against the back of a chair while moving it. Chair lost. :D | 08:20 |
| vkoskiv | No mark on reform, but a little dent in the chair | 08:21 |
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| * wielaard -> mjw | 09:31 | |
| vkoskiv | Another interesting trackball observation. The polished gray ball from my Powerbook 150 tracks perfectly fine, even though it's too big for the cup and doesn't reach all the way down to the sensor. | 10:48 |
| vkoskiv | This ball is much shinier than the stock ball | 10:48 |
| + littlebo1eep (~alMalsamo@gateway/tor-sasl/almalsamo) | 11:37 | |
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| Boostisbetter | vkoskiv: when you first charge your batteries the BMC will need time to learn the max and min states. So to get a truly accurate reading you would charge until it shows that it is not charging anymore, and then you will let the Reform run all the way down. Then when you charge it again your battery reading will have been calibrated and should be accurate. | 11:57 |
| Boostisbetter | So ever since I updated my Reform for the first time a while ago, Chromium hasn't been working for me. I think it has to do with an extension that i use, called tab suspender. The thing is, before I upgraded it worked just fine with Chromium, and afterwards it was causing all kind of system instability. | 12:07 |
| Boostisbetter | So i use Vivaldi now on the Reform and it is super solid but because it has a bit more overhead is a bit slower, but not even that bad really. | 12:07 |
| Boostisbetter | Still that is one casuality from upgrading that doesn't seem to have been fixed by further updates. | 12:08 |
| minute | chromium 100+ works perfectly for me from apt/debian | 12:23 |
| + Christoph_ (~Christoph@p4fe73f39.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) | 12:25 | |
| Boostisbetter | yeah it just seems to cause problems for me | 12:30 |
| Boostisbetter | when chromium is running the liklihood that resuming from suspend drops greatly. with vivaldi open resume happens almost every time. | 12:30 |
| flowy | Boostisbetter: search hacker news for 'tab suspender'. have you been using one of the shady ones? i'd suggest just not using extensions. most of them are pretty poor quality and there's a general incentive to be shady | 12:31 |
| Boostisbetter | I wish I could provide a bit more details around the logs and the why but I don't know Linux well enough for any of that. | 12:31 |
| flowy | i trust chromium already has pretty good memory management | 12:33 |
| flowy | or at least i doubt there's easy low hanging fruit for some shady extension to fix | 12:33 |
| Boostisbetter | well I'm giving it a shot again and I removed tab suspender. | 12:35 |
| Boostisbetter | I was worried about paging with only 4gb of RAM, but the Penkesu I have with its paltry 512Meg has shown me that it really isn't that bad to use the swap. | 12:36 |
| Boostisbetter | minute: turns out that I have 102 installed. | 12:37 |
| Boostisbetter | flowy: you are at least using an adblock extension right? | 12:37 |
| flowy | yeah, i reluctantly use ublock origin... wish i didn't have to though | 12:39 |
| flowy | that's the only exntesion i use | 12:39 |
| flowy | sometimes i don't | 12:39 |
| flowy | since chromium has crippled adblockers i think it makes more sense to do some network level filtering anyways. | 12:40 |
| Boostisbetter | yeah I run pi-hole on my home network, but I'm not always on that. | 12:42 |
| Boostisbetter | I'm using ublock as well. | 12:42 |
| flowy | unless something changed i think adblockers in chromium are restricted to being nothing more than relatively short block lists. if you want advanced filtering (DOM-level) you have to use firefox, now | 12:42 |
| flowy | however they don't restrict shady extensions from sending your data away! | 12:43 |
| flowy | (tracking data, i mean.) | 12:43 |
| Boostisbetter | firefox is a dog and the company behind care more about social agendas than the tech in their headline product. I refuse to use it until the focus is properly where it should be. Nobody found out about Mozilla, for example, because of their excellent social justice championing. I'm not saying that is bad, I'm just saying it has nothing to do with improving the garbage that is Firefox at the momen | 12:44 |
| Boostisbetter | t. | 12:44 |
| Boostisbetter | I mean don't misunderstand me, it is important to stand up for what is right | 12:48 |
| Boostisbetter | but don't use an important tech company as your platform for that at the detriment of their product. If everything was gravy with Firefox I wouldn't have a leg to stand on | 12:49 |
| flowy | i just find it hard to use firefox on reform because it's a bit more sluggish and every little bit counts when the web is so heavy | 12:49 |
| josch | use `links2 -g` and the internet is suddenly so fast, you think you are accessing a local file | 12:55 |
| Boostisbetter | sounds awesome | 12:57 |
| josch | yes, until you want to use a website using javascript to do stuff that could be done with just html alone ;) | 12:58 |
| Boostisbetter | yeah it is such a shame that js is everywhere. The cosequences of using a bloated platform to do things never intended. | 12:59 |
| Boostisbetter | yeah it is such a shame that js is everywhere. The consequences of using a bloated platform to do things never intended. | 12:59 |
| flowy | i think i actually started browsing with lynx before netscape :p | 13:17 |
| flowy | using public terminals at the library | 13:18 |
| flowy | and pine for email | 13:18 |
| flowy | those were the days | 13:18 |
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| vkoskiv | Is the chromium on debian ungoogled? I heard it's the fastest browser on reform, but I'm uncomfortable putting my personal information in a browser that has any google telemetry in there. | 15:05 |
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| kfx | vkoskiv: chromium as shipped by debian is not ungoogled at all | 16:40 |
| Boostisbetter | What!? I thought that was the whole point of Chromium. If it is still googled then why the need for Chrome? | 16:58 |
| kfx | chrome ships with proprietary a/v codecs, a built-in updater, and some other crap | 17:02 |
| kfx | probably the biggest difference is chrome has a crash reporter that shoots info straight to google | 17:03 |
| minute | that's not entirely true | 17:05 |
| minute | debian's chromium also does not support google sync | 17:05 |
| Boostisbetter | codecs are not an issue to me, I don't see how chromium updates itself on debian either | 17:06 |
| Boostisbetter | I thought you were talking about telemetry | 17:06 |
| minute | it does not update itself | 17:06 |
| minute | only via apt | 17:06 |
| kfx | minute: no chromium supports google sync any more, per google policy last year | 17:08 |
| minute | ah yeah | 17:08 |
| minute | heh https://www.google.com/chrome/privacy/whitepaper.html | 17:08 |
| kfx | but chromium still sends an absolute boatload of data back to google | 17:08 |
| minute | true, true | 17:12 |
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| * ndufresne9 -> ndufresne | 17:19 | |
| Boostisbetter | does anyone know if Iron browser is still a thing? Is there a version for arm? That was Chromium 100% stripped of all google | 17:51 |
| kfx | the one I use for testing stuff with the Blink engine is vivaldi, but it's not entirely open source | 17:54 |
| kfx | I know other people who use ungoogled-chromium instead | 17:55 |
| kfx | iron still exists but is only available for x86 and x86_64 platforms | 17:56 |
| minute | arch have a arm64 ungoogled chromium build i think | 17:57 |
| minute | also, you can turn off lots of stuff in settings of the normal chromium... maybe some DNS block list can do the rest | 17:58 |
| minute | ? | 17:58 |
| Boostisbetter | yeah, pi-hole does a pretty good job when I'm on my home network | 17:58 |
| Boostisbetter | But I would think Google could just use static IPs, I mean their stuff never changes. | 17:58 |
| Boostisbetter | so hey could just bypass DNS altogher | 17:58 |
| Boostisbetter | so hey could just bypass DNS altogether | 17:58 |
| minute | that could be solved with firewall rules | 17:59 |
| Boostisbetter | sure, but that is a pain in the butt. | 18:00 |
| Boostisbetter | My firewall already feels like swiss cheese. hahahaha | 18:00 |
| kfx | google can't use static IPs because VRRP sucks at continental scale | 18:03 |
| kfx | they need anycast dns to distribute traffic | 18:03 |
| Boostisbetter | good to know. | 18:06 |
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| Boostisbetter | so these eremit 2000maH batteries are really working well. | 20:00 |
| Boostisbetter | I actually ordered 4000maH 606090 battery here in Germany for the Penkesu, and that was a little dodgey. I ordered another and it seems much closer to spec. | 20:01 |
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| bkeys | Where is everyone? | 20:19 |
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| josch | eschaton: is it working for you now? | 20:36 |
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| eschaton | I was able to download the image, just need to blast it to a card. :) | 20:47 |
| eschaton | Thanks! | 20:47 |
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| josch | With the eremit batteries my reform survived 4 hours at full display brightness with gnome. I'm now charging it with an old fujitsu laptop AC adapter. I love the fact that the reform allows for such a large input voltage range and uses this very popular barrel connector for power. :) | 21:02 |
| bkeys | I am still getting the issue with the missing rootfs | 21:02 |
| josch | bkeys: did you connect via serial yet? | 21:02 |
| bkeys | I am at my mother in law's house; so I think my serial adapter is back at my house. | 21:03 |
| josch | bkeys: are you using the sd-card that shipped with the reform? I noticed that with some very old sdcards the rootfs would not load either. | 21:03 |
| bkeys | Yeah I am using the one that I got with my reform | 21:03 |
| bkeys | Is there a way I can write directly to the emmc? Since that is what I would want to do anyway | 21:03 |
| bkeys | I just want the new uboot on there so I can continue to try to boot Fedora | 21:04 |
| josch | sure, but you first have to boot *something* | 21:04 |
| bkeys | Yeah... I just don't know how that is going to happen with this whole rootfs error | 21:04 |
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| josch | bkeys: if you are sure that your dip switch is set to ON and you flashed the same sd-card image i linked to to your sd-card then i'm out of ideas and connecting via serial is the only way I see to find out more | 21:06 |
| josch | if you are not sure about your dip switch, then the effect you see can also be produced by the old u-boot version being loaded from emmc which tries loading the rootfs from sd-card but cannot handle it because sysimage-v3 boots differently | 21:07 |
| josch | but that's just a guess -- connecting via serial is the only way to make sure | 21:07 |
| josch | oh, i can think of another way -- do you have a hdmi monitor handy? | 21:07 |
| josch | because if it indeed does load u-boot from sdcard then you should get u-boot output to hdmi | 21:07 |
| josch | and that should contain some useful information -- can you take a photo of that? | 21:08 |
| josch | if you do not see u-boot output on hdmi, then you are loading from emmc and not from sd-card as you expect | 21:10 |
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| + sknebel_ (~quassel@v22016013254630973.happysrv.de) | 21:20 | |
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| - josch (QUIT: *.net *.split) (~josch@mister-muffin.de) | 21:24 | |
| - sknebel (QUIT: *.net *.split) (~quassel@v22016013254630973.happysrv.de) | 21:24 | |
| + cinap_lenrek (~cinap_len@ns3076381.ip-147-135-136.eu) | 21:52 | |
| klardotsh | I think I'll finally have some time this evening to play with the "I have display over HDMI but not eDP, what gives" problem again. I was going to take minute 's recommendation to look at the connector on the display side, but as far as I can tell everything seems sane in there - should I start peeling tape off or something? | 22:09 |
| minute | klardotsh: yes, please remove the tape | 22:10 |
| minute | it's just kapton tape | 22:10 |
| klardotsh | any traces I should multimeter? happy to check continuity on a few suspect pins to narrow whether this is a mobo or display fault | 22:11 |
| * sknebel_ -> sknebel | 22:35 | |
| + MajorBiscuit (~MajorBisc@86-88-79-148.fixed.kpn.net) | 22:40 | |
| minute | i don't think that's going to help because you are getting a signal, just some dropouts | 22:43 |
| minute | ah, another source might be the flex cable between imx som and motherboard... the dsi cable | 22:44 |
| klardotsh | am I actually getting signal though? the gpu driver can't train the panel, and I never see output (backlight yes, pixels no) on the eDP panel. HDMI works fine but IIRC that's a separate path | 22:44 |
| minute | or the dsi connector on the motherboard because some of them had to be reworked | 22:44 |
| klardotsh | ohhhhh lemme look for that | 22:44 |
| minute | ah sorry, i confused your case with another one who had glitches | 22:45 |
| minute | maybe you can send me a closeuo pic of the dsi connector on the motherboard after you remove the flex cable | 22:45 |
| minute | closeup | 22:45 |
| klardotsh | yeah, I'm the "installed wifi antenna and suddenly no longer had internal display" guy | 22:45 |
| klardotsh | can do | 22:45 |
| minute | when removing the wifi card, your display comes back? | 22:48 |
| klardotsh | no | 22:49 |
| klardotsh | I've tried removing just antenna, and also the entire wifi card. nothing. | 22:49 |
| - MajorBiscuit (QUIT: Ping timeout: 256 seconds) (~MajorBisc@86-88-79-148.fixed.kpn.net) | 22:49 | |
| minute | klardotsh: ah, so probably electrically unrelated | 22:52 |
| minute | (except if you dropped screws or metal parts in unexpected places) | 22:53 |
| klardotsh | yeah, I don't remember any metal touching mobo during that process (I was trying to be pretty careful with it) but I never say 100% on anything | 22:54 |
| klardotsh | ah man I have to take off this damn heatsink to inspect that ribbon cable don't I | 22:55 |
| klardotsh | that thing took like 20 minutes to put back on last time lol | 22:55 |
| + erle (~erle@ip5f5af7b3.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) | 22:58 | |
| minute | klardotsh: yes, but you can test for a while without heatsink | 23:01 |
| minute | klardotsh: you don't need to put it on and off all the time | 23:01 |
| klardotsh | minute: any preferred/easiest image hosts for you? or even can throw them on masto if that's easiest. | 23:04 |
| + MajorBiscuit (~MajorBisc@86-88-79-148.fixed.kpn.net) | 23:05 | |
| - MajorBiscuit (QUIT: Ping timeout: 256 seconds) (~MajorBisc@86-88-79-148.fixed.kpn.net) | 23:11 | |
| vkoskiv_ | In 2016 I made an image host for myself to not have to use bloated ad-laden imgur | 23:17 |
| vkoskiv_ | But it's free to use for anyone. No tracking or anything. Just post images and hotlink. | 23:17 |
| vkoskiv_ | I can share a link to it if desired. | 23:17 |
| vkoskiv_ | No guarantees of uptime/data integrity of course. And the codebase is my ugly 2016 PHP. But it does the job easily. | 23:18 |
| minute | klardotsh: masto is good | 23:24 |
| kfx | vkoskiv_: I ran one for a while util anime fans started spamming horrible cartoons on it | 23:33 |
| kfx | I took it down but it was my favorite perl program I ever wrote, completely unreadable | 23:33 |
| kfx | here's the part that showed the ten most recent images: http://sciops.net/information/technology/code_sample | 23:34 |
| + ephase (~ephase@2a0d:e487:42f:ec70:541:1c08:20e8:eaad) | 23:34 | |
| ephase | ho | 23:35 |
| ephase | hi | 23:35 |
| klardotsh | minute: lmk if you need different angles, lighting, or an attempt at different zoom. I was pushing this poor phone to its limits on some of those, the focus is just shit | 23:35 |
| - ggoes (QUIT: Quit: ZNC 1.8.2+deb2+b1 - https://znc.in) (~gregf@fsf/staff/ggoes) | 23:51 | |
| minute | klardotsh: thank you, these look good. connectors look fine i think. put it back together! also, there is a kernel or config issue with latest sysimage v3 where internal display doesn't come up anymore if you switch to dual display, i just remembered josch reproduced this yesterday. maybe you are bitten by that? | 23:51 |
| klardotsh | I can put it back to single and see what happens; I know the NixOS image I tried also had this same problem though so this isn't a sysimage-specific issue | 23:52 |
| + ggoes (~gregf@fsf/staff/ggoes) | 23:52 | |
| klardotsh | wish I knew anything about inspecting SMD components to be able to check whether I fried anything in some bizarre way. seems too coincidental that everything would work, open the case, close the case, now display fails :\ | 23:52 |
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