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| Boostisbetter | I feel like that would be a very useful wiki type thing for the reform crowd. | 01:20 |
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| erlehmann | Boostisbetter link? | 03:28 |
| sl | what is the appropriate name for the HYPER key as referenced in a swaymsg input xkb_options line | 03:45 |
| sl | this rabbit hole is way too forever war | 03:45 |
| sl | i am trying to make HYPER act as CTRL | 03:46 |
| sl | swaymsg input "1003:8258:MNT_Reform_Keyboard" xkb_options ctrl:norwin <- does not work | 03:46 |
| sl | have tried numerous variations, but not at all sure how i should be referencing the HYPER key | 03:47 |
| kfx | sl: HYER is definitely Super_R | 03:59 |
| kfx | see if 'xkb_options ctrl:swap_rwin_rctl' works (it'll redefine the right ctrl to super_r) but at least we'll know if the shit is named right? | 03:59 |
| sl | hey, that worked | 04:13 |
| sl | thanks | 04:14 |
| sl | strangely, substituting lctl for rctl does not work | 04:15 |
| sl | but this is fine with me | 04:16 |
| kfx | in order for one of those to work it has to be a thing reported in /usr/share/x11/xkb/rules/evdev.lst | 04:19 |
| kfx | in other words that's not a language, but a selection from a hardcoded lookup table of common keyboard fuckery | 04:19 |
| kfx | i guess xmodmap was one of those ancient bloated protocols wayland wanted to leave behind, or something | 04:20 |
| sl | ah, that's what i was missing | 04:20 |
| sl | i couldn't figure out where these were defined | 04:20 |
| kfx | I don't think they're even defined in that file per se, just documented | 04:20 |
| sl | i found many, many, many things purporting to be references | 04:20 |
| sl | but everything was incomplete and in many cases contradictory | 04:20 |
| sl | [linux] | 04:21 |
| kfx | I find the wev program to be useful, it's like xev but for wayland | 04:21 |
| sl | yeah, i was looking at that too | 04:21 |
| kfx | it at least tells me what the computer thinks I'm typing | 04:21 |
| sl | it was giving me the correct Capitalized names but i couldn't figure out where the shorthand understood by xkb_options was being defined | 04:21 |
| sl | because they're not the same | 04:21 |
| kfx | and those names are in turn different from the actual xkb configuration lanaguage, which you can use, but it has to go in ~/.xkb/rules/ somewhere, and I can't find documentation on that format either | 04:22 |
| sl | yeah | 04:23 |
| sl | the most exotic thing i ever did with this kind of stuff in x11 was using xmodmap to map the tablet keys on the thinkpad x series tablets | 04:23 |
| sl | like: xmodmap -e 'keycode 174 = Prior' # done | 04:24 |
| kfx | I'd pay money for things to be that simple with modern software | 04:25 |
| erlehmann | neat | 04:26 |
| erlehmann | sl thanks | 04:26 |
| erlehmann | sl hey, are you the plan9 person? if so, any plans to run plan9 on reform2? | 04:26 |
| sl | yw | 04:26 |
| erlehmann | yw? | 04:26 |
| erlehmann | wdym | 04:26 |
| sl | you're welcome | 04:26 |
| sl | in answer to your questions: yes, and yes | 04:27 |
| sl | but i'm not the one doing the work | 04:27 |
| erlehmann | oh, who is | 04:27 |
| sl | sigrid has received one, and cinap has one on order | 04:27 |
| sl | primary devs --^ | 04:27 |
| sl | someone also threatens to port openbsd | 04:27 |
| sl | i approve of all these efforts | 04:27 |
| erlehmann | i like your way of phrasing the openbsd thing | 04:27 |
| sl | so far it's just tough talk | 04:28 |
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| sl | i used my last vintage payphone decal on this thing because i want to use this computer forever | 04:29 |
| erlehmann | what's a vintage payphone decal? | 04:29 |
| sl | i am very much hoping one or more of these other operating systems boots sometime soon | 04:29 |
| sl | erlehmann: http://img.stanleylieber.com/src/23149/img/small.1647653074.png | 04:29 |
| sl | these things used to be stuck on phone booths | 04:29 |
| sl | they're just big stickers, but they're very much weather proof | 04:30 |
| erlehmann | sl if you want to print new stickers, maybe start here ;) https://nitter.snopyta.org/aphistic/status/1504132269266677761?t=ttiCc3amiQ-pvV3_ZSkcxw | 04:30 |
| erlehmann | i see | 04:31 |
| sl | haha | 04:31 |
| erlehmann | cooljqln is actually pirating the reform | 04:31 |
| erlehmann | true to her name, this is cool | 04:31 |
| erlehmann | i bet you got these payphone in an entirely legitimate salvaging operation | 04:31 |
| erlehmann | payphone decals | 04:32 |
| sl | i paid $15 for a stack of them six or seven years ago | 04:32 |
| erlehmann | sounds legit | 04:33 |
| erlehmann | i believe you, you look trustworthy | 04:33 |
| erlehmann | uxn on reform2 when | 04:34 |
| sl | now, in linux | 04:34 |
| erlehmann | i should probably try to boot my reform1 again | 04:34 |
| erlehmann | it's literally collecting dust | 04:34 |
| sl | why did you stop using it | 04:35 |
| erlehmann | let me think about it | 04:35 |
| erlehmann | there was something | 04:36 |
| sl | the payphone stickers are cool, but this was my favorite: http://img.stanleylieber.com/src/21894/img/1588994078.jpg | 04:36 |
| sl | unfortunately had to leave it behind in my old office | 04:36 |
| sl | i also paid money for that sticker | 04:37 |
| erlehmann | i bet i remember it as soon as i start the thing up again lol | 04:37 |
| sl | haha | 04:38 |
| erlehmann | well, the only thing that *really* annoyed me that comes to mind is where the boot sd card thing is | 04:38 |
| sl | the only thing i really dislike about the reform2 is i occasionally accidentally power the thing off when checking battery stats | 04:38 |
| erlehmann | also the thermal story was a joke | 04:38 |
| erlehmann | how do you manage? | 04:39 |
| sl | just boot it up again, what else can you do | 04:39 |
| erlehmann | like, just misscroll or press the button too long or so? | 04:39 |
| erlehmann | no, how do you manage to do it | 04:39 |
| sl | oh | 04:39 |
| sl | i accidentally hit circl-1 instead of circle-esc | 04:39 |
| erlehmann | i actually think minute has done a really good job making such a “management mode screen” | 04:39 |
| erlehmann | oh ok | 04:39 |
| sl | this sometimes has the effect of resetting | 04:40 |
| erlehmann | it reminds me of mednafen | 04:40 |
| erlehmann | it's a multisystem emulator | 04:40 |
| erlehmann | and quicksafe is f5. but quickload is f7. | 04:40 |
| sl | hm, the top center screw on the lcd bezel is scratching an imprint of itself into the wrist rest | 04:40 |
| erlehmann | i have fatfingered both of them many times | 04:40 |
| erlehmann | but the fact that f6 is not bound to anything saved me every time | 04:40 |
| sl | the other thing i'm not in love with is 16:9 screen | 04:41 |
| sl | my computer right before this was a uxga thinkpad t60p | 04:41 |
| erlehmann | which is different from nearly everything else i used, where the quicksave and quickload buttons are right next to each other | 04:41 |
| erlehmann | leading to fatfingered quicksaves right before a game-over | 04:41 |
| sl | ugh | 04:42 |
| erlehmann | ha, my computer right now is a 1400x1050 thinkpad T60 | 04:42 |
| erlehmann | 4:3 yeah | 04:43 |
| sl | it's good | 04:43 |
| erlehmann | yes | 04:43 |
| sl | all right, time for me to take off | 04:43 |
| sl | kfx: thanks | 04:43 |
| erlehmann | also people stop usually when they say a new laptop would be better once i point out that it's impossible to find one with 4:3 matte screen | 04:43 |
| erlehmann | good night! | 04:44 |
| sl | gn | 04:44 |
| sl | t60p uxga is matte, flexview | 04:44 |
| sl | that thing was so nice | 04:44 |
| sl | like $3,000 msrp | 04:44 |
| sl | i sold it though | 04:44 |
| sl | <- ok gone | 04:45 |
| aphistic | haha, i'm hoping to get that sticker up somewhere to make it easy to get but i don't know where. stickermule is bad, redbubble seems to have poor printing quality | 04:50 |
| kfx | I have a Most Favored Laptop sticker as well. It's military and impossible to find these days but the reform will get one when I get around to it | 05:27 |
| ex-parrot | \o/ | 05:28 |
| kfx | http://sciops.net/images/laptopstickers.jpg | 05:28 |
| ex-parrot | I love that sticker kfx | 05:28 |
| kfx | I only have a couple of them left | 05:28 |
| ex-parrot | I want to re-draw it as a vector | 05:29 |
| kfx | I think it's not just printed, it's like ink-infused on some kind of plastic | 05:29 |
| ex-parrot | the HHKB I got in Akihabara is where I put my absolute best computer stickers currently | 05:29 |
| sl | kfx: yessss | 06:05 |
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| erlehmann | kfx is this for laptops that are bulit like tanks? | 07:08 |
| kfx | erlehmann: it's primarily for scaring the shit out of airport security guards | 07:16 |
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| Boostisbetter | ex-parrot: I have a HHKB as well. Loved it, until I got a UHK, and then finally a Moonlander. | 14:49 |
| Boostisbetter | I see a linear progression between those boards. I still have the HHKB and it still works beautifully. I switch back to it sometimes. | 14:49 |
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| minute | krasse webseide http://www.vgmpf.com/Wiki/index.php?title=Elvira_II:_The_Jaws_of_Cerberus_(DOS) | 19:26 |
| minute | sorry, wrong channel, nevertheless interesting website :D | 19:29 |
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| Boostisbetter | kein Thema. I know Elvira from pinball machines. | 20:03 |
| minute | i was playing the c64 version today and i found it strange that it has no music | 20:13 |
| minute | really odd | 20:13 |
| minute | also, kind of unplayable because you have to swap floppy disks all the time | 20:13 |
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| Boostisbetter | Oh yeah? And I agree why on earth would the C64 version not have any music when it has that excellent SID chip on it? | 20:23 |
| Boostisbetter | in the synth world SID chips are quite the coveted thing. | 20:23 |
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| minute | Boostisbetter: exactly | 20:34 |
| Boostisbetter | minute: regarding the floppy disks: it is amazing how at the time we didn't really mind swapping disks but if we have to do it now we see how clearly a pain in the butt it was. | 20:54 |
| sigrid | i did not mind waiting for programs loading from tape either | 20:55 |
| minute | yeah, not sure how i had that patience as a kid | 20:58 |
| vkoskiv_ | It was already ancient at that point, but I started programming on the C64. I had plenty of patience to wait for tape loading then :D | 20:59 |
| minute | similar, i started with a ZX81 probably in like 1990 | 21:02 |
| minute | and only got the c64 a bit later... really late to the game :D | 21:02 |
| sigrid | my programming was having an z80 assembly opcodes book on one side, sheet of paper and a pen on the other, writing in hex then typing it in on the computer | 21:02 |
| sigrid | until i got a proper assembler from a friend, on tape | 21:03 |
| vkoskiv_ | For me, I collected old computers since I could hold a screwdriver. When I got hold of a C64 that just dropped me to a basic prompt, I had to write some code to make it do cool stuff | 21:03 |
| vkoskiv_ | But this would have been... 2008ish? | 21:04 |
| minute | hah, on the zx i only did BASIC, my first assembler was 6510/6502 on the c64. i had an action replay cartridge which had a simple monitor+line by line (dis)assembler that i used | 21:04 |
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| sl | my first computer was a timex sinclair 1000, no storage | 21:56 |
| sl | had to type in every program | 21:56 |
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| ex-parrot | Boostisbetter: mine is mainly for collecting stickers tbh | 22:05 |
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| swivel | somebody needs to add xixit to that site | 22:24 |
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| Boostisbetter | ex-parrot: your hhkb you mean? | 22:48 |
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| ex-parrot | yeah | 23:00 |
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