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| mtm | same | 00:30 |
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| mtm | should be fun | 00:30 |
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| Boostisbetter | I mean I think it is cool they have a RISC version now, but a paltry 1gb of RAM is just a nonstarter for me. I like me toys to at least be able to double as a tool when necessary and I just feel like that toy is too limited out of the gate. | 08:22 |
| Boostisbetter | I mean I think it is cool they have a RISC version now, but a paltry 1gb of RAM is just a nonstarter for me. I like my toys to at least be able to double as a tool when necessary and I just feel like that toy is too limited out of the gate. | 08:25 |
| kfx | it's perfect | 08:43 |
| kfx | I can take it with me on trips to ssh into my email | 08:43 |
| kfx | and I don't have to worry about malware because who the hell compiles rootkits for risc-v | 08:43 |
| kfx | can't wait | 08:43 |
| minute | one could whip up allwinner d-1 + ecp5 for display or so, as a reform module (exercise for the reader) | 09:42 |
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| Boostisbetter | I think something like the penkesu would be much better than the clockwork terminal: https://github.com/penk/penkesu | 09:59 |
| Boostisbetter | more compact with a keyboard you could actually type on. | 09:59 |
| Boostisbetter | or even the Cutiepi tablet | 10:03 |
| Boostisbetter | https://github.com/penk/penkesu | 10:03 |
| Boostisbetter | https://cutiepi.io | 10:03 |
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| kfx | neither of those are for sale | 10:21 |
| kfx | this makes them hard for me to use. | 10:21 |
| kfx | it's a shame that of the two the one they're threatening to sell is just a tablet | 10:21 |
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| Boostisbetter | I hear ya | 13:08 |
| Boostisbetter | so here is a question: have any of you tried running Fedora on the Reform? They have aarch64 builds of Fedora 35 | 13:09 |
| minute | nope, but it's certainly interesting | 13:09 |
| kfx | I tried that on the Pinebook Pro and it was a confusing nightmare of self-contradictory instructions, so I wandered off. I do run fedora on my kids' x86 machines though, mostly for dnf-automatic... | 13:10 |
| minute | if they have a userland archive or sth that could just replace our debian one, it might just work | 13:11 |
| kfx | it would be easy to make one with dnf --installroot=/whatever | 13:13 |
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| jcs | hi, i just assembled my mnt reform diy and neither the nvme device or pci wifi card are recognized (lspci returns nothing) | 16:39 |
| jcs | i do see in dmesg "imx6q-pcie 33800000.pcie: Phy link never came up" "imx6q-pcie: probe of 33800000.pcie failed with error -110", and same for 33c00000 | 16:40 |
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| minute | jcs: hi, that's unusual | 17:17 |
| minute | jcs: sorry to hear! do you have a multimeter? | 17:17 |
| jcs | ok i guess it just didn't like either of those two cards, i just tried a different SSD and it is detected | 17:23 |
| josch | jcs: not all NVMe SSDs work with the reform: https://community.mnt.re/t/confirmed-working-nvme-drives/224/23 | 17:51 |
| minute | jcs: oh, and which wifi card did you try? | 18:05 |
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| jcs | it was an intel ax201 in a m.2->pcie adapter thing | 18:13 |
| jcs | i tried an intel 8260 in a different adapter thing and it worked | 18:13 |
| minute | ohh good to know | 18:38 |
| chartreuse | It's all just weird limitations of the SoC, and seems quite common with ARM socs | 18:49 |
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| vkoskiv_ | I got my first bits of MNT hardware today! https://twitter.com/vkoskiv/status/1504096607301783552 | 19:23 |
| jcs | are those the upgraded steel side plates? | 19:24 |
| vkoskiv_ | Yup! | 19:24 |
| vkoskiv_ | They feel very sturdy. | 19:24 |
| sknebel | and a service manual for the steel plates? ;) | 19:25 |
| vkoskiv_ | Operator handbook. Had to get one, it's very pretty looking. | 19:25 |
| jcs | i didn't order a wifi card with mine so it didn't come with antennas :( i didn't realize they didn't just come with the machine | 19:25 |
| vkoskiv_ | And the case of course. | 19:25 |
| vkoskiv_ | jcs: Your unit arrived? | 19:25 |
| jcs | yeah, assembled it this morning - https://twitter.com/jcs/status/1504148181977817089 | 19:26 |
| sknebel | I actually had the random thought recently that the manual would also be cool as an old-fashioned ring-binder thing. then if you upgrade parts you can swap in the manual pages for those | 19:26 |
| vkoskiv_ | Oh, I love that comparison. I assumed it'd be about the same size as an old PowerBook | 19:26 |
| vkoskiv_ | sknebel: The reason I got the handbook was because it is very similar in theme to the big chunky IBM PC manuals I have | 19:27 |
| vkoskiv_ | I have a stack of old IBM hardware and associated stuff | 19:27 |
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| jcs | btw, i found that twisting the battery and 4-pin usb cables a few times before plugging them in tidies up the appearance quite a bit | 19:37 |
| bluerise | minute: what was the problem with sn65 not being able to train? | 19:49 |
| bluerise | I think last time I had that issue the DSI clock was not running or so | 19:49 |
| minute | bluerise: yep, refclk is supposed to come over DSI | 19:51 |
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| chartreuse | jcs: I made the same mistake myself XD. You can get either of the two antennas from digikey at least | 20:37 |
| chartreuse | I used some crappy generic ones I had laying around till the one from digikey got in | 20:38 |
| + erlehmann (~erle@ip5f5bf491.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) | 20:38 | |
| chartreuse | Even bettery for tidying is lacing the cables :) https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E-lrcNbVgAMTcRW?format=jpg&name=large | 20:39 |
| Boostisbetter | super tidy! I like it | 20:54 |
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| eery | an anecdote for whomever it's relevant - airport security seemed moderately concerned over my reform :P | 21:15 |
| + Christoph_ (~Christoph@p54bf61f0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) | 21:17 | |
| josch | If that anecdote is from the US, then I'm not surprised. They once took away my Thinkpad and let me wait for 1,5 hours before they gave it back. Nearly didn't catch my next flight... | 21:21 |
| eery | yeah, TSA -- though I'll find out what other countries think soonish | 21:23 |
| eery | they seemed to get rather excited when they got an excuse to use ... a device that tests for explosive residue | 21:24 |
| eery | I'm wondering if it'd be worth removing the lithium cells before traveling lol | 21:25 |
| erlehmann | years ago i asked my then-boss about visiting a conference in the US | 21:27 |
| erlehmann | and he simply told me that uh, well, yeah, probably not a good idea | 21:27 |
| eery | I think I just have bad luck | 21:28 |
| eery | I've gotten frisked extra in France and Germany too, for ... no reason | 21:28 |
| vkoskiv_ | eery: The TSA is pretty crazy. They swabbed my macbook for explosives a few years ago. | 21:29 |
| vkoskiv_ | Because macbooks are suspicious items, apparently. | 21:30 |
| eery | this is one case I do think the reform can kind of look like something malicious to the ... uninformed | 21:32 |
| erlehmann | uh, why | 21:32 |
| erlehmann | it looks like an industrial device with a screen and a keyboard | 21:33 |
| eery | which, you wouls hope the TSA would be informed, but | 21:33 |
| eery | and a bunch of round cylinders individually wired to some circuit :P | 21:33 |
| vkoskiv_ | But then another time I went through with three bags, 5 random laptops and a bunch of loose corn on the cob and they just shrugged and let me go | 21:33 |
| erlehmann | i have never interacted with the TSA, but aren't those the clowns that require shitty locks on luggage? | 21:34 |
| vkoskiv_ | Yes. With that red diamond logo on them. | 21:34 |
| eery | and removing your shoes | 21:34 |
| vkoskiv_ | Also that. Madness. | 21:34 |
| eery | On a positive note, reform is awesome - got my CS kit order the evening before my flight, am gonna try dogfooding it | 21:37 |
| erlehmann | in a german airport, i once had to wait for the weird luggage swab. stuff of note i had with me was clothes, i do not remember how many thinkpads and medication. i think maybe they just check when you have “too much” hardware on you? | 21:37 |
| erlehmann | though honestly, if i was security, i'd rather guess someone is very bad at smuggling laptops in such a case ;) | 21:37 |
| sknebel | I think the laptop swabbing is just random | 21:39 |
| erlehmann | this reminds me of a joke about the east-german border | 21:39 |
| erlehmann | where someone is crossing the border with a wheelbarrow of sand repeatedly | 21:40 |
| erlehmann | the border guard checks the permit, it seems in order. then searches the sand. nothing. | 21:40 |
| erlehmann | as the joke goes, this repeats from time to time for months or years. | 21:41 |
| erlehmann | after german reunification, the border guard meets the guy and asks “i always knew you smuggled *something*, but i could never prove it. so … what was it?” | 21:41 |
| erlehmann | “wheelbarrows” | 21:42 |
| eery | haha | 21:42 |
| erlehmann | i believe the joke also exists with bicycles | 21:43 |
| swivel | it's funny that the TSA would suspect a laptop with a deliberately _transparent_ case is a bomb | 21:48 |
| kfx | you guys kow that TSA is barely-trained minimum wage people right | 21:48 |
| swivel | yeah | 21:48 |
| kfx | they don't actually care, they're required to bomb-swab x% of crap that comes through the gate | 21:49 |
| kfx | it's all metrics-driven, except the parts where you get treated poorly if you look impoverished or foreign, that's just good old-fashioned police work | 21:50 |
| eery | they actually were "suspicious" from the x-ray imaging, which is stranger | 21:50 |
| swivel | huh, maybe it's become so unusual for laptops to not use pouch LiPo cells that an array of 18650s or whatever the model is looks odd now | 21:51 |
| kfx | next time pack a bundle of candles and an alarm clock to distract them (note: do not do this) | 21:51 |
| erlehmann | instructions unclear, packed a dozen casio F91-W :P | 21:57 |
| erlehmann | eery next time someone thinks it is sus, maybe you can ask what exactly makes it sus? | 21:58 |
| swivel | in an x-ray it's obviously the batteries, no? | 21:58 |
| - GNUmoon (QUIT: Ping timeout: 240 seconds) (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) | 21:59 | |
| verx | long ago (like 1990) my IBM PCs mainboard died, and my uncle who worked in the industry got me a replacement | 22:02 |
| verx | There was no TSA back then, but people weren’t really familiar at all with “computers”. Taking that thing through airport security was quite the excitement | 22:03 |
| eery | yeah next time I will, I'm running on an hour of sleep so I didn't really care in the moment, just "so happy that only lasted a few minutes" | 22:03 |
| verx | no issue so far with the Reform, though! | 22:03 |
| kfx | erlehmann: this is cop nonsense 101... if you ask them what made them suspicious, they'll think you're planning to sneak shit on future flights | 22:06 |
| eery | I think it really is just how odd "old style" lithium cells are to them, I'm sure they just see the flat shaped packs every day... | 22:07 |
| eery | tangent, but one point of critique I have for the lipo cells like reform uses is the polarity isn't super clear | 22:09 |
| eery | not really related to reform per se, but it'd be nice for it to be more dramatically marked | 22:11 |
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| swivel | the reform doesn't use lipo cells | 22:21 |
| swivel | kfx: your comment reminded me of an amusing experience i had ages ago living in a small coastal community having a spartan US post office staffed by ~2 people; they had carelessly placed employee anti-terrorism and bomb/drug detection guides out with all the other customer pamphlets on the workdesk intended for the public to flil out forms and tape packages etc | 22:25 |
| swivel | it was basically a guide on what to do if yo uwant to avoid detection | 22:26 |
| erlehmann | so what was your funniest false-positive? | 22:27 |
| kfx | my funniest one wasn't a false positive at all | 22:27 |
| kfx | it was just a regular positive... | 22:27 |
| erlehmann | uh, then what was funny about it? | 22:28 |
| kfx | I had been given a ceremonial african weapon as a gift, and I had it in my carryon luggage, having completely forgotten it was in fact a weapon | 22:34 |
| kfx | security checker person just staring at me like I was a moron until my brain caught up and realized what I did wrong | 22:35 |
| kfx | wasn't thinking clearly due to several farewell toasts just prior to my departure :) | 22:36 |
| josch | As we are sharing airport stories, here is one from inside the airplane. It was at the time where e-book readers with e-ink screens were not yet widely used and the flight attendant told me to switch my device off. I said I have it switched off but it's an e-ink screen so it still shows something even when off. She wanted to start removing me from the plane but luckily her colleague knew what an e-ink | 22:52 |
| josch | screen is... | 22:52 |
| + GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) | 22:52 | |
| swivel | lol | 23:00 |
| erlehmann | josch please turn off your etch-a-sketch | 23:05 |
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