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| sl | hello | 00:46 |
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| sl | how is the paint application done on the aluminum pieces of the reform? | 00:46 |
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| ex-parrot | josch: I'm keen to test the debian stuff | 04:57 |
| ex-parrot | I'd like to have a closer to stock Debian kernel config | 04:58 |
| ex-parrot | josch: what's your end game vis a vis Debian kernel config on reform? bring a more standard Debian userland as well? | 05:10 |
| ex-parrot | not that the existing one is particularly exotic I guess | 05:10 |
| josch | ex-parrot: currently I'm working on minimizing the difference in CONFIG parameters between a stock Debian kernel and the reform kernel so that you can expect the same things to work on the reform as they work on a normal Debian system | 05:51 |
| josch | ex-parrot: wrt the userland I think i'm mostly done. My goal was to package all the stuff that so far only got copied into random places all across the system so that updating everything can be done via a simple "apt-get upgrade" | 05:52 |
| ex-parrot | that's really exciting :) | 06:48 |
| ex-parrot | I'm very keen to give it a whirl once it's in a state to do so | 06:49 |
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| Boostisbetter | yeah me too. I would love to be able to safely apt upgrade without worrying about breaking anything. | 09:46 |
| josch | The really *safe* upgrading will probably only happen once the reform runs Debian stable instead of unstable. | 09:53 |
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| Boostisbetter | agreed, one step at a time. | 10:25 |
| ex-parrot | we've already exceeded the novena's software support by a million trillion miles and I am so happy about it | 10:31 |
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| Boostisbetter | ex-parrot: I have no idea what that means, but 👍️ | 13:14 |
| minute | ex-parrot: oh we did? | 14:03 |
| minute | josch: reform-tools merged, thank you very much! | 14:08 |
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| Boostisbetter | minute: does that mean I can update my reform-tools and get them all working again, or not quite? | 15:22 |
| josch | Boostisbetter: not yet -- I'm at $work and will take care of this is a few hours and ping you once it's ready. | 15:30 |
| minute | reform-debian-packages currently can't build because there's not enough (ram)disk space | 15:32 |
| Boostisbetter | josch, minute, ok sounds good. Looking forward to, thanks! | 15:37 |
| Boostisbetter | josch, minute, ok sounds good. Looking forward to it, thanks! Hope the work grind isn't too bad today! | 15:37 |
| josch | minute: the build is done in $pwd (if I didn't make any mistakes) -- how much space do we have there? | 15:38 |
| minute | josch: that should be in the build directory, which is under /ramdisk, which is 24GB in size | 15:39 |
| minute | the server has 48GB ram so i could make that bigger | 15:39 |
| minute | but interesting that it needs so much | 15:39 |
| josch | Let me measure how much space the build needs. I'll come back to you with numbers tonight. | 15:39 |
| josch | minute: When building a full linux kernel several dozen GB of disk space are needed. | 15:40 |
| minute | thanks! | 15:40 |
| Boostisbetter | BTW, for any of you out there who would prefer using Brave on the Reform, I was able to get a positive feedback on them adding it to the line up. No promises of when exactly but we should be seeing builds targeting aarch64 in the future. | 16:17 |
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| minute | bluerise: ordered 10x rcm4 rev 2 pcbs today. lets hope these work | 17:47 |
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| josch | Boostisbetter: the reform-debian-packages pipeline passed and within one hour the contents of https://mntre.com/reform-debian-repo/pool/main/r/reform-tools/ should update to version 1.2 at which point you can apt upgrade and install | 18:50 |
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| minute | https://twitter.com/minut_e/status/1495823090076499975?s=20&t=Koc4cKckExBXQvMwja2Zcg | 19:12 |
| Boostisbetter | minute: if you need any help testing those, I'm down. | 19:22 |
| minute | Boostisbetter: thanks! do you have a CM4? | 19:23 |
| Boostisbetter | minute: I do not currently. But if you want I will happily go ahead and get one. I would love to find the 8GB version actually. | 19:24 |
| Boostisbetter | josch: thanks! I'll be keeping an eye out for it! | 19:28 |
| josch | Boostisbetter: It has been updated now. | 19:28 |
| Boostisbetter | josch: ok but I am not seeing it as a package that can be updated using apt | 19:30 |
| Boostisbetter | did you mean I would need to pull the package down manually and install using dpkg? | 19:30 |
| josch | Boostisbetter: no, you need to run "apt update" first | 19:31 |
| josch | Interesting... the reform doesn't boot without CONFIG_NO_HZ_IDLE=y | 19:31 |
| Boostisbetter | yeah, I did | 19:31 |
| josch | Boostisbetter: then you probably have some caching configured somewhere? reform-tools is in https://mntre.com/reform-debian-repo/dists/reform/main/binary-arm64/Packages as it should | 19:33 |
| Boostisbetter | ok, well I just installed it manually. It fixed everything. | 19:37 |
| Boostisbetter | so did the reform-compstat change? It use to just show a bar that update. Now it shows a bar that moves along a short horizontal line. Looks cool, but I'm just curious if this is intentional? | 19:40 |
| josch | Probably not. minute will be able to say how it should look like. I didn't run sway on the old sysimage-v2 | 19:52 |
| minute | Boostisbetter: do you have some screenshot? i have no idea what you mean | 20:00 |
| minute | Boostisbetter: there was no intentional change to the design | 20:00 |
| Boostisbetter | This is how it looks now: | 20:00 |
| Boostisbetter | CPU __________ R/W _______ _________ | 20:03 |
| Boostisbetter | with the lines having peaks alogn the lines as activity is registered | 20:03 |
| Boostisbetter | before, instead of a line, it was just a single bar that went up and down | 20:03 |
| Boostisbetter | like this: | 20:04 |
| Boostisbetter | CPU _ R/W _ | _ | 20:04 |
| minute | that's broken then | 20:05 |
| minute | i will also update to the latest packages later and see if i also get this behavior | 20:06 |
| Boostisbetter | minute: ok | 20:06 |
| josch | minute: building src:linux requires 4.6 GB build space plus 674 MB for dependencies. | 20:16 |
| minute | josch: hmm, we def. have that much space | 20:18 |
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| josch | Boostisbetter: You can fix it by applying this change to your ~/.config/waybar/config: https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-tools/-/merge_requests/6/diffs#6a3b04fcefe2a639e6e66a41b2323ca09e76eba7_63_62 | 20:59 |
| minute | oh yeah. i forgot that i had made that configurable | 21:00 |
| minute | thanks josch | 21:01 |
| Boostisbetter | josch: thanks, that indeed did fix it. | 21:05 |
| Boostisbetter | minute: When I go to remove connman it automatically wants to remove reform-tools | 21:05 |
| Boostisbetter | does connman still conflict if you are using gnome settings for that | 21:05 |
| Boostisbetter | if so how can I disable connman WITHOUT uninstalling reform-tools? | 21:06 |
| josch | Boostisbetter: reform tools depends on connman because it contains scripts that require connman | 21:07 |
| josch | specifically reform-connman-gtk | 21:07 |
| josch | so removing connman would break the functionality of reform-tools | 21:08 |
| Boostisbetter | meaning I should stop using gnome-control-center to select wifi networks? | 21:08 |
| ex-parrot | weirdly I couldn't get conman to connect to my wifi at all, so I've been running normal Network Manager | 21:09 |
| josch | we could also change reform-connman-gtk so that it doesn't require connman but prints a warning if connman isn't installed. Then we could move connman from a Depends to a Recommends | 21:09 |
| ex-parrot | and just using nmtui | 21:10 |
| ex-parrot | when I was running Debian | 21:10 |
| josch | i'm also a bit puzzled by scripts like reform-connman-gtk because they only contain two lines of shell script | 21:10 |
| minute | josch: sorry. we are moving away from connman | 21:11 |
| minute | actually in the last sysimage that i touched, i moved to networkmanager and nmtui | 21:12 |
| minute | so reform-connman-gtk can be removed | 21:12 |
| minute | yep https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-tools/-/blob/main/etc/skel/.config/waybar/config#L46 | 21:13 |
| minute | josch: sorry i didn't communicate that well enough. so, connman / connman-gtk / reform-connman-gtk can all be removed | 21:13 |
| Boostisbetter | Yeah I noticed that in the waybar config changes, I saw that connman-gtk was no longer invoked on click | 21:14 |
| josch | minute: okay https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-tools/-/merge_requests/7 | 21:14 |
| minute | yeah, the reason is that most people expect and know networkmanager | 21:14 |
| minute | also, gnome | 21:14 |
| ex-parrot | my best guess is that conman didn't like the emojis in my network name | 21:15 |
| minute | josch: thanks! | 21:16 |
| minute | the reform-system-image v3 branch has the right deps, i just checked... it installs network-manager which contains nmtui | 21:16 |
| Boostisbetter | which means it would be compatible with gnome-control-center? | 21:18 |
| Boostisbetter | minute: as for me being able to get that update, need to wait for another compile and an update to the repo? | 21:19 |
| minute | Boostisbetter: correct | 21:19 |
| Boostisbetter | in the meantime, if I notice conflicts (like wifi dropping and reconnecting) is there anything I can do to prevent connman from messing with things? | 21:20 |
| Boostisbetter | or is that not really a concern? | 21:20 |
| minute | not sure if i understand | 21:21 |
| minute | basically you should not run connman | 21:21 |
| minute | if you have network-manager running | 21:21 |
| Boostisbetter | minute: don't worry about it, I think I figured it all out. | 21:21 |
| minute | i believe it's a service, so you can probably do `systemctl disable connman` and `systemctl stop connman` | 21:21 |
| Boostisbetter | bingo | 21:22 |
| Boostisbetter | thanks | 21:22 |
| Boostisbetter | forgot about systemctl | 21:22 |
| minute | systemctl is really essential | 21:23 |
| josch | minute: you are right. While the kernel build a few days ago ran out of disk space, it worked fine for the latest build. | 21:48 |
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| josch | Boostisbetter: reform-tools 1.3 landed in the repository | 22:56 |
| ex-parrot | \o/ | 23:02 |
| Boostisbetter | That was fast | 23:12 |
| Boostisbetter | I'll grab it tomorrow on my lunch break. Thanks again! | 23:34 |
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